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[Fredward]

OMMFG.

I can't even.

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 10 octobre 2013 - 05:57 .

[snackrat]

Seems that in the past if it is ambigious they just don't talk about it. You can say 'first time' if you like but that's an option, in the case of Alis as you talk about 'licked lamposts' you can be just "yep, lots of them".

For Legacy, regarding Hawke's blood, if Hawke has a LI Varric will say "but I have to warn you, [s]he's no virgin". Otherwise it is simply never mentioned.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I don't care how many people our LIs have or have not slept with.

The only opinion I have on the issue is that I've enjoyed the variety so far. We've covered every point from 'blushing virgin' (Alistair) all the way to 'everything that moves' (Isabela and Zevran). So as long as they keep providing that kind of variation with both genders I'll be happy.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I do not care.

No really.

In most RPGs I romance the character that complements my class. For example in DAO, a Dalish archer rogue female ends up with Alistair because he is a tank. Male archer Dalish rogue ends up with an Entropic & Spirit focused Morrigan because she is good a tdebuffing everything (you can respec, there is a mod for that). Leliana is usually the LI for melee rogue and arcane warrior. Zevran is romanced if I am a city elf (regardless of gender since due to the suffering my character has had at the hands of humans, they just go for elf).

In Mass Effect I would pick Liara as LI if I was playing an adept and Tali / Garrus if I was an engineer.

It is that simple.

In RPGs, I as the main character is out to do something significant to the world. The best people to get close together with is someone who compliments you.

Modifié par The Sin, 10 octobre 2013 - 08:46 .

[LOLandStuff]

Inq: Hi, I'm a virgin. Please be gentle.

[Uccio]

Mungolian_ wrote...

I always thought Dawn Star was the most natural seeming of Bioware romances. She was your childhood friend, there from the beginning and through everything the Spirit Monk experienced. But with how backgrounds are working, I don't think we'll have any childhood friend companions.

Couldn't care less about how experienced LIs are. Isabela--who obviously had a lot of experience, to put it lightly--is my canon for DA2 and that's because she seems the most normal out of all the options, including all of her experience. 

Huh, Isabela was a walking cheat. If Hawke had a death wish then she was good choise.

"Death by STD". No sword nor magic or even blight could get Hawke, it was something even more sinister...

Modifié par Ukki, 10 octobre 2013 - 10:14 .

[DarkSpiral]

Plaintiff wrote...

I thought this was going to be about the levelling mechanic. Disappoint.

I don't care in the least. I don't think characters being virginal adds 'depth' to a romance at all. Being a virgin doesn't make a person more interesting, if anything it makes them less so because it means less backstory overall.

I think being squicked out by a person's sexual history is silly in the extreme. Especially if that person is fictional.

^

[Plaintiff]

Ukki wrote...
Huh, Isabela was a walking cheat.

A cheat?

Being promiscuous while single is no indication of how Isabela would behave in a committed relationship.

[Uccio]

She was ready to bounce on Zevran the moment she saw him. Objection from Hawke's part and she had the 'balls' to become angry. I would not call such person trustworthy.

[Nerys]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I've noticed that in a fair number of games/books/movies, female love interests tend to be less experienced while male ones tend to be more experienced.

I haven't seen this pattern in Dragon Age. It's nice.

Agreed.

I have to say that I like that BW gives the companions varied backstories. I wouldn't want it any other way.

[frankf43]

I came here thinking that it was about levelling up you love making and wondering how that would actually work.

To answer the OP's question. I mainly romance Leliana and Isabella, probably the two most experienced Li's in the games, so it never really bothered me.

I actually liked that my Hawk managed to work his way through Isabella's defences and helped her become more trusting and loving.

[frankf43]

Ukki wrote...

She was ready to bounce on Zevran the moment she saw him. Objection from Hawke's part and she had the 'balls' to become angry. I would not call such person trustworthy.

She didn't become angry with me. She said something like, "Ok but your making this up to me later."

But at that time she was still refusing to commit to a monogamous relationship with you. She had been too abused in the past to be willing to give herself completely to one person.  It was only later that she admitted to you and herself that she loved you and wanted you to go away with her. She even thanked you for your patience and not giving up on her or some such.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

I've noticed that in a fair number of games/books/movies, female love interests tend to be less experienced while male ones tend to be more experienced.

I haven't seen this pattern in Dragon Age. It's nice.

Alistair was certainly ahem, refreshing. I think the "pattern" is a shared fantasy for both genders though, but slightly more for men

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Plaintiff wrote...

I thought this was going to be about the levelling mechanic. Disappoint.

I don't care in the least. I don't think characters being virginal adds 'depth' to a romance at all. Being a virgin doesn't make a person more interesting, if anything it makes them less so because it means less backstory overall.

I think being squicked out by a person's sexual history is silly in the extreme. Especially if that person is fictional.

Didn't they make a whole movie about a 40 year old virgin?

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Plaintiff wrote...

Ukki wrote...
Huh, Isabela was a walking cheat.

A cheat?

Being promiscuous while single is no indication of how Isabela would behave in a committed relationship.

you could say it's probably suggestive of an increased likelihood though

[Bizantura]

As long as it is not written for 13/14 year old boys!! DAO was fine DA2 was terrible written, overall a kiddy game. No use of subtitutions like a mega big sword (Fenris) and accentuated acoutrements (Isabella) as used by the advertisment in spades. If you want to make a game for adults then do it and by that I don't mean solely the blood and gore thats indicative for age rating.

[Maria Caliban]

Bizantura wrote...

As long as it is not written for 13/14 year old boys!! DAO was fine DA2 was terrible written, overall a kiddy game. No use of subtitutions like a mega big sword (Fenris) and accentuated acoutrements (Isabella) as used by the advertisment in spades. If you want to make a game for adults then do it and by that I don't mean solely the blood and gore thats indicative for age rating.

This type of detailed, thoughtful criticism will certainly help the writers with DA:I.

You've indicated that you thought DA II's romances were 'terribly written' and intended for 13/14 year old boys. What about the writing for the romances do you find immature?

[General TSAR]

Another romance thread, as if BSN isn't over-saturated with them.

[Maiden Crowe]

The male love interest should be a virgin implying that the only woman that he has been and ever will be interested in is me, he should also by shy and submissive and let me take control and above all he should constantly fawn over me like a love sick puppy often getting hit in combat due to be distracted by my "swaying hips".

Bizantura wrote...

As long as it is not written for 13/14 year old boys!! DAO was fine DA2 was terrible written, overall a kiddy game. No use of subtitutions like a mega big sword (Fenris) and accentuated acoutrements (Isabella) as used by the advertisment in spades. If you want to make a game for adults then do it and by that I don't mean solely the blood and gore thats indicative for age rating.

Don't pretend DAO was any better in this regard, while DA2 has many faults to pick on I feel it is a tad unfair that it should be picked on for something that you are all too willing to ignore in DAO.

[Plaintiff]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I thought this was going to be about the levelling mechanic. Disappoint.

I don't care in the least. I don't think characters being virginal adds 'depth' to a romance at all. Being a virgin doesn't make a person more interesting, if anything it makes them less so because it means less backstory overall.

I think being squicked out by a person's sexual history is silly in the extreme. Especially if that person is fictional.

Didn't they make a whole movie about a 40 year old virgin?

Yes, and the title character was an antisocial dullard who never did anything at all in his life except go to school. Merely being inexperienced in sex was the least of his issues.

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Plaintiff wrote...

Ukki wrote...
Huh, Isabela was a walking cheat.

A cheat? 

Being promiscuous while single is no indication of how Isabela would behave in a committed relationship.

you could say it's probably suggestive of an increased likelihood though

Certainly you could say it, but it would be an unfounded and offensive statement.

In my personal experience, I generally find the promiscuous people I know are very responsible when it comes to protection, and rarely, if ever, have to deal with STIs or unwanted pregnancies. And their relationships, which are polyamorous, last longer and they experience less fights with their partners.

Conversely, I find the ones who preach abstinence and monogamy ironically cheat on their partners more frequently, go through more breakups, and more often find themselves dealing with unexpected pregnancies or STIs.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 10 octobre 2013 - 12:45 .

[elvici]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I've noticed that in a fair number of games/books/movies, female love interests tend to be less experienced while male ones tend to be more experienced.

I haven't seen this pattern in Dragon Age. It's nice.

^^  this, in a nutshell  ^^

Honestly, I don't really see the relevance of prior sexual experience in a LI, either in RL or in games. There really, truly isn't any correlation between experience and quality of performance.  

[N7recruit]

Well OP, I doubt anyone would be hunched over their Monitor saying "Yes Merrill, Your Virginity will soon be mine!" (In cert Sheplo Rape face Here)

But to answer your question I don't think it matters. As long as the Romance content itself is good, I'm grand.

[Silfren]

wolfhowwl wrote...

After playing through the Dragon Age and Mass Effect games and reading romance threads on this forum, I wondered the different qualities people here look for in a romanceable character.

I couldn't help but notice concerns that a character was more "experienced" than the PC in relationships. Simply, the PC was not their first time while conversely, dialogue options could express that it was the PC's first.

This isn't a bad thing per se, but it is a matter of comfort.

Some might find the idea of the characters partner having been in multiple relationships, before the PC to be somewhat scary, to put it lightly, especially since it could be the protagonist first relationship. There could be comparisons to past lovers and expectations of...performance that have to be met.

It could also add depth to the romance if both are shy and inexperienced. They could be learning and growing together as equals. The player could rest easy in knowing that only they have had this character.

What level of experience do you want a character you romance to have?

Eh, I don't think any players are going to rest easy over having exclusive rights to a companion's body.  Any that do have serious problems.  Now, sure, it's one thing if players have the option to roleplay their PC in more than one way regarding romances, but I really seriously doubt players themselves are going to genuinely be upset if their chosen LI turns out not to be a virgin.  If so, then that speaks of them having issues completely unrelated to the game altogether...

In all, you don't seem to be drawing much of a distinction between the player and the character they're playing.  I expect that the vast majority of DA players have no trouble with that. 

Modifié par Silfren, 10 octobre 2013 - 10:41 .

[Pink Pony]

What I thought of when I read this thread is either you should get experience points for having sex in the game or each character's level is how many people they have had sex with.

[Neon Rising Winter]

They should have a level of experience appropriate to their age, personality and backstory.