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Why has Morrigans facial structure changed? [And will other returning characters have different faces)?


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TheInquisitor

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I don't think Morrigan looks like... well Morrigan in the Inquisition trailer. I can't remember where, but someone posted like a different version of what she was going to look like in the trailer and it looked much more like Morrigan.

I don't know about you guys but I didn't even find her all that attractive in the trailer, and being beautiful is part of what makes her character so mysterious and awesome (in my opinion).

I also looked back to DA2 - Alistair and Zevran had weird faces too, that didn't really even look like the ones they had in DA:O.

But Varrics face looks the same, but... what's the word for it - Improved? They updated his facial features with the new graphics but still managed to make him look pretty similar to himself in DA2. Will they be able to do this with other characters? (Such as the Warden and Hawke *hint* *hint*)

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Allan Schumacher

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We'd likely need to import her model from raw files (the Eclipse files used for both DAO and DA2 are almost certainly incompatible with Frostbite). Though I'm a bit curious how she'd stand up if placed side by side the character models we've made for DAI.

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David Gaider

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Allan Schumacher wrote...
We'd likely need to import her model from raw files (the Eclipse files used for both DAO and DA2 are almost certainly incompatible with Frostbite). Though I'm a bit curious how she'd stand up if placed side by side the character models we've made for DAI.


She wouldn't, believe me.

The models need to be translated into both the new graphics engine as well as the new style that engine requires. Even attempting to exactly emulate everything about the old face model would still make it look incredibly different than before, and would look odd next to the other faces in the game.

This reminds me of when Morrigan was first revealed. There were posts-- many long, ranty posts-- about how odd she looked, and how ugly. Her bottom lip was unnaturally large. Her shoulders were too wide, and her features awkward. Her appearance was picked apart at length, generally based upon a few screenshots (some unfortunately angled). This seems like the same thing, of a slightly different justification... though I don't think it's really indicative of anything other than a predisposition of fans to overly dissect things.

She looks like Morrigan to me. My understanding is she's still being tweaked, and that will likely go on right until release. That won't stop folks from putting up many, many screenshots and opining ad nauseum on any perceived difference. ;)

Modifié par David Gaider, 11 octobre 2013 - 06:15 .


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Allan Schumacher

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The models need to be translated into both the new graphics engine as well as the new style that engine requires. Even attempting to exactly emulate everything about the old face model would still make it look incredibly different than before, and would look odd next to the other faces in the game.


Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if a lot more work would need to be done. As for "how well she'd hold up," my expectation is that it'd be somewhat akin to putting a PSX model into a PS2 game. The woefulness of Eclipse's lighting would probably make her look quite a bit different as well, given that Frostbite's is much, much improved.

I really liked this video (which was shared by a poster a little while ago):

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David Gaider

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BraveVesperia wrote...
Changing face shapes isn't new anyway, Alistair and Zevran were barely recognisable in DA2, and Alistair had less excuse, there was no real reason for his face shape to change so much.


The main reason Alistair and Zevran looked as they did was because their faces were made using the regular chargen system-- which was not really up to the task of emulating faces which were originally custom-made (try making Alistair's face with the DAO chargen and you'll see what I mean).

I don't think either of them was as horrifying as some people seem to (I assume it's the typical exaggeration with which every opinion is expressed hereabouts), but they did look a bit different and it would have been nice to have the time to custom tweak them like Morrigan and Cassandra and such have been. For those who will react to any perceived difference, no matter the cause, that will never go away no matter how much tweaking is done-- the new engine and fidelity guarantees any returning character will not look the same. They cannot, in fact, look the same.

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David Gaider

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TristanHawke wrote...
So for Dragon Age Inquisition are you able to make returning characters faces closer to the original than you could previously do when re-creating faces for the origins characters in DA2?


No. As I just said above, they will never look as they did-- they cannot. It's like a comic book with a new artist-- the idea will be to make them recognizeable in the new style.

Whether they'll be pleasing is a different question. For some, the fact they're at all different will mean they'll never be pleasing.