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[Angrywolves]

I somehow overlooked warlords comments about me.
Gee whiz, I luv you too puddin.
Not a half truth.
My opinion , which I am entitled to have.
Plenty of evidence of some fans wearing rose colored glasses.
shrugs.
As it is, I doubt the fact some of us don't like Morrigan 's new looks will have any practical effect, assuming Bioware refuses to change her face.

[leaguer of one]

duckley wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Agree with the OP.
Morrigan definitively doesn't look fine in the trailer.
Anyone who says she does is looking at it through rose colored glasses. Anyone who says she looks better in the trailer than she does in DAO just is letting their misguided loyalties to Bioware affect their judgement, to put it politely.
The "she's 10 years older " isn't viable either.
Supposedly according to the Thedas timeline she was 18 at the time of DAO, making her just 28 at the time of DAI.
If anything in that trailer she looks closer to 38 quite frankly.
I attribute Morrigan's looks in the trailer to bad drawing/bad design.
I'm hoping they'll correct it before the game is released.

I'm sorry but this proves you wrong. It the same face but in a new engine and a little older.

Weird, to me this picture shows a different nose, mouth and chin, as well as a difference in length of her neck 

Compear the shapes of the mouth, jaw, chin and chin/bottom lip spacing, also the cheeks. They are all the same. Also there is not enough of the neck show in the new engine to judge.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 10 octobre 2013 - 03:59 .

[leaguer of one]

Angrywolves wrote...

That's what is what is happening now.
The DAI fans have put the new look Morrigan on a pedestal.
My opinion .
I disagree with league of one, zatche, and anyone else satisfied with the trailer .
But it's ultimately not worth arguing about,.
It won't determine whether I buy the game.

No one is putting any look on a pedistal. It's face shape comparision and an understand of how people look when they age.

[Zatche]

leaguer of one wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

That's what is what is happening now.
The DAI fans have put the new look Morrigan on a pedestal.
My opinion .
I disagree with league of one, zatche, and anyone else satisfied with the trailer .
But it's ultimately not worth arguing about,.
It won't determine whether I buy the game.

No one is putting any look on a pedistal. It's face shape comparision and an understand of how people look when they age.

To be fair, I used that line first. 

[Zatche]

Angrywolves wrote...

That's what is what is happening now.
The DAI fans have put the new look Morrigan on a pedestal.
My opinion .
I disagree with league of one, zatche, and anyone else satisfied with the trailer .
But it's ultimately not worth arguing about,.
It won't determine whether I buy the game.

You mean you're not gonna get out a ruler and measure her facial features in each picture to determine the exact measurements of her face, so we can show exactly how much she has or hasn't changed?

Agreed on your last two points. Beauty's subjective.

Modifié par Zatche, 10 octobre 2013 - 04:15 .

[Br3admax]

greengoron89 wrote...

She looks like her mom.

Damn. Always hit it and quit it, kids. 

[Dio Demon]

Honestly who cares what she looks like. It's minor semantics, sheesh people are judgemental. The most important part is how she's written and portrayed once more by Claudia Black.

[leaguer of one]

greengoron89 wrote...

She looks like her mom.

Alistar made that point from DAO.

[leaguer of one]

Crazy Eyed One wrote...

Honestly who cares what she looks like. It's minor semantics, sheesh people are judgemental. The most important part is how she's written and portrayed once more by Claudia Black.

The crazy eyed one ironicly has proper eyes.

[dreamgazer]

I wish my face looked exactly the same as it did ten years ago.

[Boss Fog]

Angrywolves wrote...

I somehow overlooked warlords comments about me.
Gee whiz, I luv you too puddin.
Not a half truth.
My opinion , which I am entitled to have.
Plenty of evidence of some fans wearing rose colored glasses.
shrugs.
As it is, I doubt the fact some of us don't like Morrigan 's new looks will have any practical effect, assuming Bioware refuses to change her face.

An opinion which you delivered as if it were gospel and in a rather disrespectful manner.  Also, what evidence do you have that people are wearing "rose tinted glasses?"  Do you have a secret way to quantify people's actual feelings toward something?  I could say the same about anyone who claims Morrigan was gorgeous in game in DAO.  No one would be able to invalidate me but then again I would not be in any way shape or form correct.

[spirosz]

leaguer of one wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

It didn't. You are just bad at seeing ^w^

^This.
It really did not.

You can clearly see her right eyebrow is thinner.  Come on people.  This is breaking my immersion.  

[spirosz]

You know, it's funny how we tend to notice features in a completely different matter than other people.

[MakutaDax]

I have never understood how people can take a character's image from an earlier game as the gospel. From the images I've seen in this thread, I'm inclined to agree that she looks basically the same. The major difference, to me, is the nose, but it's not even a huge difference. And when you start going into things like neck length and hair texture... I mean, this is a new engine with better graphics; not everything is going to look the same, for better or worse. That's a fact. And please don't mention the mole! Forgetting the very true fact that moles can appear over time and at any age, they can also be drawn on. That mole could be fake or a new development. Character's appearances aren't static from game to game. That's another fact.

As for whether I prefer Origins to DAI... I do rather like her new appearance. I just can't bring myself to compare the two, though. Origins was on an older engine with less graphical capabilities. Comparing anything graphics-related between the two engines is just... so unfair. lol

[spirosz]

MakutaDax wrote...

I have never understood how people can take a character's image from an earlier game as the gospel. From the images I've seen in this thread, I'm inclined to agree that she looks basically the same. The major difference, to me, is the nose, but it's not even a huge difference. And when you start going into things like neck length and hair texture... I mean, this is a new engine with better graphics; not everything is going to look the same, for better or worse. That's a fact. And please don't mention the mole! Forgetting the very true fact that moles can appear over time and at any age, they can also be drawn on. That mole could be fake or a new development. Character's appearances aren't static from game to game. That's another fact.

As for whether I prefer Origins to DAI... I do rather like her new appearance. I just can't bring myself to compare the two, though. Origins was on an older engine with less graphical capabilities. Comparing anything graphics-related between the two engines is just... so unfair. lol

Logic in a post?  Rare indeed. 

[Orian Tabris]

leaguer of one wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Agree with the OP.
Morrigan definitively doesn't look fine in the trailer.
Anyone who says she does is looking at it through rose colored glasses. Anyone who says she looks better in the trailer than she does in DAO just is letting their misguided loyalties to Bioware affect their judgement, to put it politely.
The "she's 10 years older " isn't viable either.
Supposedly according to the Thedas timeline she was 18 at the time of DAO, making her just 28 at the time of DAI.
If anything in that trailer she looks closer to 38 quite frankly.
I attribute Morrigan's looks in the trailer to bad drawing/bad design.
I'm hoping they'll correct it before the game is released.

I'm sorry but this proves you wrong. It the same face but in a new engine and a little older.

The mole on her face in the DA:I pictures says otherwise.

Oh wow.. Moles some how equal ugly and is a facal structure. It's not like you can get a mole as you age.

I never said the mole was ugly, just that it has nothing to do with Morrigan being older. I also never said it was a facial structure. I was suggesting that her having a mole disproves that her character design is the same, just in a different engine, because she never had a mole in Origins. Honestly, adding a mole to comeone's face is not a way to make them seem older. Chances are, Morrigan had little to no exposure to sun light, thus making it make no sense that she would have a mole 10 years down the track.

One would hope that BioWare does not want to disappoint them by making their favourite characters look different, and adding a mole is something that seems like a pointless addition to a character... something that the BSN has constantly complained about (i.e. pointless additions). Anyway, a mole has nothing to do with aging. Sure, people can get moles as they age, but that hardly seems like an evolution on a character's design. More like a way to make them seem different to before.

Overall, Morrigan does look very similar in the trailer, but the addition of a mole, and the lack of bun/ponytail hair rising over the top of her head, are not good design choices. The lips are less inflated and the nose is less pointy in the trailer. You'd think that her head leaning downward would make the bun/ponytail higher up her head, not lower, while the nose is too low, in comparison to the Origins picture. Obviously we can't see the position she's in in those 2 pictures, but the head is definitely not facing upwards much in the 2nd, whetheras in the 1st, she is facing roughly the same angle, only lower. I am being picky, I know, but I just can't get over it. The nose also looks wider and lower at the tip.

[spirosz]

By god, can a woman not have her hair in a different hairstyle? Can a game's engine not influence the way a character looks, for better or for worse as others have stated -- classic Ashley in ME3 (worse in my opinion, while Sheploo looks much better).

[MakutaDax]

Orian Tabris wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Agree with the OP.
Morrigan definitively doesn't look fine in the trailer.
Anyone who says she does is looking at it through rose colored glasses. Anyone who says she looks better in the trailer than she does in DAO just is letting their misguided loyalties to Bioware affect their judgement, to put it politely.
The "she's 10 years older " isn't viable either.
Supposedly according to the Thedas timeline she was 18 at the time of DAO, making her just 28 at the time of DAI.
If anything in that trailer she looks closer to 38 quite frankly.
I attribute Morrigan's looks in the trailer to bad drawing/bad design.
I'm hoping they'll correct it before the game is released.

I'm sorry but this proves you wrong. It the same face but in a new engine and a little older.

The mole on her face in the DA:I pictures says otherwise.

Oh wow.. Moles some how equal ugly and is a facal structure. It's not like you can get a mole as you age.

I never said the mole was ugly, just that it has nothing to do with Morrigan being older. I also never said it was a facial structure. I was suggesting that her having a mole disproves that her character design is the same, just in a different engine, because she never had a mole in Origins. Honestly, adding a mole to comeone's face is not a way to make them seem older. Chances are, Morrigan had little to no exposure to sun light, thus making it make no sense that she would have a mole 10 years down the track.

One would hope that BioWare does not want to disappoint them by making their favourite characters look different, and adding a mole is something that seems like a pointless addition to a character... something that the BSN has constantly complained about (i.e. pointless additions). Anyway, a mole has nothing to do with aging. Sure, people can get moles as they age, but that hardly seems like an evolution on a character's design. More like a way to make them seem different to before.

Overall, Morrigan does look very similar in the trailer, but the addition of a mole, and the lack of bun/ponytail hair rising over the top of her head, are not good design choices. The lips are less inflated and the nose is less pointy in the trailer. You'd think that her head leaning downward would make the bun/ponytail higher up her head, not lower, while the nose is too low, in comparison to the Origins picture. Obviously we can't see the position she's in in those 2 pictures, but the head is definitely not facing upwards much in the 2nd, whetheras in the 1st, she is facing roughly the same angle, only lower. I am being picky, I know, but I just can't get over it. The nose also looks wider and lower at the tip.

So, what I'm getting from your post is that you're mad because Morrigan has two cosmetic differences from her appearance in Origins and a few structural differences. If I'm wrong, I really am sorry, I'm just trying to sum everything up. lol

If I'm right, I only have a few points to add to my earlier post. First, I don't think the devs should worry about keeping a character's appearance static simply because it might make this fan angry or that fan sad. No one's appearance would remain static over even a few years, much less a decade. To complain a change of hair style over that period of time...? I understand what you're saying about pointless additions, but you have no idea whether that mole, or a hair style difference, is actually pointless. We don't know where she is or where she's been as of that trailer or Inquisition in general. Her clothes have changed and yes, it looks like she's been made over. She might be in Orlais where she had to go through some fasion changes that might include a fake mole, a fancy dress, a new hair style, and even some brow work (yes, I see her brows are thinner and higher, which can be achieved by employing some make-up tips).

What I'm basically getting at here is that you can't call any of these things "bad design choices" without understanding their possible relevance. You also can't criticise the devs for giving Morrigan a face lift just because she isn't an exact replica of her Origins self. Character's aren't static in any way, physically, mentally, or emotionally, and you shouldn't expect them to be the same from one game to the next, particularly when there's a ten year time difference.

As for the lips and nose, I think you really can chalk that up to the improved engine or a more refined art style.

Modifié par MakutaDax, 10 octobre 2013 - 05:01 .

[Dominus]

Seems like a bit of an overreaction. Facial translation from one game to another have ocassionally been jarring(Uncharted 3 had that a bit with Elena), but I think it looks just fine. When I saw morrigan's cameo in the original trailer, I never personally thought "Wow, what happened to her face?"

I don't agree with the sentiment that it's translated poorly.

Modifié par DominusVita, 10 octobre 2013 - 05:03 .

[DooomCookie]

Oh wow, looking at the pictures side by side, it actually looks pretty good. The engine has obviously improved heaps and given her more realistic skin and a less freakishly long neck. The jaw is maybe slightly larger, but that's only more realistic imo. Improvements on all counts.

[Fredward]

Different engines. -shrug- Get over it. A different jawline does not a different character make.

[Melca36]

TristanHawke wrote...

I don't think Morrigan looks like... well Morrigan in the Inquisition trailer. I can't remember where, but someone posted like a different version of what she was going to look like in the trailer and it looked much more like Morrigan.

I don't know about you guys but I didn't even find her all that attractive in the trailer, and being beautiful is part of what makes her character so mysterious and awesome (in my opinion).

I also looked back to DA2 - Alistair and Zevran had weird faces too, that didn't really even look like the ones they had in DA:O.

But Varrics face looks the same, but... what's the word for it - Improved? They updated his facial features with the new graphics but still managed to make him look pretty similar to himself in DA2. Will they be able to do this with other characters? (Such as the Warden and Hawke *hint* *hint*)

Um....its a different game engine. They all look different and she looks fine! Why so picky?

[Legenlorn]

The lower lip seems smaller on Morr from DAI, other changes seem optical rather. Also moles can appear during ones life but that is rather obvious. Also, I think we really should stop talking about characters being pretty or ugly. Everyone has different likes.