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Why has Morrigans facial structure changed? [And will other returning characters have different faces)?


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It didn't. You are just bad at seeing ^w^

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You can't see that her jowels are larger there? Her cheeks aren't sallow anymore? :blink:

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Oh, I do not walk down the street being reasonably handsome with over 30 moles on my face and neck alone only to see this kind of uproar over two moles placed in classically feminine spots on the face. Get over yourselves people or I shall be forced to find only the prettiest pictures of Natalie Portman and the moles on her face.

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I never said the mole was ugly, just that it has nothing to do with Morrigan being older. I also never said it was a facial structure. I was suggesting that her having a mole disproves that her character design is the same, just in a different engine, because she never had a mole in Origins. Honestly, adding a mole to comeone's face is not a way to make them seem older. Chances are, Morrigan had little to no exposure to sun light, thus making it make no sense that she would have a mole 10 years down the track.


Fun fact: During the 17th and 18th century, especially in France, it was highly fashionable to apply make-up  to create a fake mole on your cheek. You'll find examples of this in pretty much any historical drama, and parodies of it in pretty much any historical comedy.

Morrigan is dressed up for the Orlesian court (well, that's everybody's best guess), so the "beauty spot" belongs to the territory.

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It's a new engine which is capable of more detailed and realistic faces than the previous one. That there is some change to the characters' appearances is to be expected I think. I still recognize her as Morrigan, and I don't have a problem with her being older or slightly different because this incarnation of Morrigan seems more realistic to me.

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@ OP, I Agree with you... she looks pretty but the shape of her Mandible Body (base part of lower jaw) leading into the Ramus portion of her jaw is more masculine and broader in its definition. Her nose is also slightly off, with regards to the shape of the upper and lower cartilage.

Perhaps they still working on her, its close but they definitely don't have it 100%. I know she has aged but those element won't change too much with age, especially in 10 years.... also she is a witch of the wilds and don't they age slowly / live longer?

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At least they improved the "warpaint" around her eyes a bit.

In Witcher the sorceresses "beautify" their bodies with magic, so it could be the same here. 

Modifié par Bfler, 10 octobre 2013 - 07:42 .


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I find the nose to be rather disquieting - It sort of looks like Flemeth's but as I recall she wasn't her actual daughter to begin with. The beauty mark seems kinda unecessary, and her hairstyle makes her look like Lulu from FFX which I suppose isn't necessarily bad, but there it is.

Modifié par TheChris92, 10 octobre 2013 - 07:44 .


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Aww man I haven't seen vanilla DA:O Morrigan in a long time. Thank goodness for dragon age redesigned, lol.

On a more serious note, I would hardly count DAO's character morphs as an accurate representation of what the character is supposed to look like. And DAO's trailer cinematics were made by a 3rd party company, not by Bioware people.

I would interpret DAI's Morrigan as how she was always supposed to look, and they finally have the tech to do that vision justice.

I think she looks fantastic and lovely, tbh.

Modifié par Valadras21, 10 octobre 2013 - 08:36 .


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Weird, to me this picture shows a different nose, mouth and chin, as well as a difference in length of her neck


Well, in the old engine she had oversized handand an eloganted neck and a palstic skin texture.

Pesonally I find she looks OK in the new engine.

What the frak is all this fuss about?

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Stop blaming the engine, the engine is not responsible for the geometry of her head. Obviously it's just another artists interpretation, including the mole. It might not even be in game footage. I mean have you seen the difference between Qunaris in the first game?
Where was Sten's MOTHER****ING THREAD?

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Valadras21 wrote...

I would interpret DAI's Morrigan as how she was always supposed to look, and they finally have the tech to do that vision justice.

I think she looks fantastic and lovely, tbh.

That's silly, obviously they could have put a mole on her if they wanted to. And despite the probably higher polygon count they seemed to have gone with a much more cartooney look than Dragon Agre Origins.

By the way I just remembered that Morrigan was supposedly model after said model
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It's all because she doesn't look like in DA:O. And everyone knows that everything in Origins was the best and next games should be exact copies of that game or else they will be bad.

Personally, I can see that Morrigan looks dofferent, but also she looks more realistic. Let's be honest here - in DA:O some faces looked weird, especially her face. I was very happy to see her changed but still resembling herself in the trailer. Too bad she didn't look like that in DA:O. But hey, this is what new engines are for. I've got more issues with Varric's new look - he seems younger than in DA2 but it's not something that really bothers me.

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This entire topic;
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It's called age and a new engine. :|

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 10 octobre 2013 - 10:19 .


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1) It's not like her face structure is completely different. There are slight changes, but they're using a new engine. Varric and Cassandra changed too, and every characters from the previous games most certainly will.
2)People grow moles during their life, cheeks might become more shallow or full, hairstyles often change. I'd prefer to see those changes than to see her 100% the same as she was in DAO, and I vastly prefer her appearance to DA2 Zevran and Teagan. 
3) GI coverage and gamescon trailer shown a different version of Morrigan. Don't know it it's a concept or not (the coverage shown generally in-game footage).
4)The game is in pre-alpha l, and changes often happen (not necessarily for people's liking, but they happen).

Modifié par hhh89, 10 octobre 2013 - 11:20 .


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Great. Another thread dissecting the appearance of yet another female character. I'm so tired of this. Going over the comments and all I can see is - "she's so ugly now, her nose, her eyes, her mouth, her jaw, her chin, her mole, her hair-- just stop. 

You cannot handle the thought of a female character not fitting your suffocating cookie cutter mould of gorgeous perfection. Get over it. Attempt to look beyond the surface. I can't believe how someone can feel such discomfort over a woman's face. How shallow and superficial people can be.

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Aging.

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Well for me, its pretty obvious that the shape of her head has changed dramatically. Looking at those side by side pictures, she had a much more round face in the DA:O and a much more elongated face in the DA:I trailer. Its close, but it is enough to radically change what people find attractive.

I do tend to find Bioware games have longer faces than I prefer. I always have to have the eyes set as low as they can possibly go in the creator to make them look attractive.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

1. Different engine plus she's 10 years older.
2. Yes, other characters may have different faces if they reappear.

This is basically it. Morrigan is older, she is wearing Orlesian clothes instead of marsh rags, and most importantly; completely different engine with updated graphics.

She looks good, I would have preferred if she looks a bit more like the Sacred Ashes Morrigan but I'm still completely happy with it. Just be glad she didn't get Zevran'd (even though that is... slightly... explainable...)

Edit: Wow I never noticed how poorly Morrigan applied her eye-makeup. Look at that left picture of Witch Hunt, between the makeup and eyebrows... she looks clownish! xD
"New" Morrigan is 100x better after seeing that comparison :Posted Image

Modifié par Usergnome, 10 octobre 2013 - 01:11 .


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Let's not kid ourselves here: most of the characters in DA:O looked terrible. Not so much because they were poorly designed but because of the game engine. Morrigan was one of the better looking NPCs, but that doesn't mask the poor makeup, plastic-y skin textures, unrealistic body proportions, etc.

The new game engine allows for much more nuanced and realistic appearance, not just for Morrigan but for all characters. I think the design looks pretty good, myself. I especially like her in this picture:

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Also, she still looks like her mom.

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Why would you want someone to look the same as they did ten years ago in the game from five years ago? (It'll be five years when this is released, just about)

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I was surprised to see how closely the devs were able to get her to look the same as she did in Origins. 

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EntropicAngel wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

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It didn't. You are just bad at seeing ^w^

^This.
It really did not.
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You can't see that her jowels are larger there? Her cheeks aren't sallow anymore? :blink:

That's called aging. As you age the cheek and jowels change with weight and skin skin elasticity loss. You're looking at the wrong place. Look at her bone structure.

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Legenlorn wrote...

The lower lip seems smaller on Morr from DAI, other changes seem optical rather. Also moles can appear during ones life but that is rather obvious. Also, I think we really should stop talking about characters being pretty or ugly. Everyone has different likes.

No it's not. The most you can say is the upper like is a little bigger.

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When people age the faces change, she can't look young and hip forever, unless she takes a page out of her mothers book

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Navasha wrote...

Well for me, its pretty obvious that the shape of her head has changed dramatically. Looking at those side by side pictures, she had a much more round face in the DA:O and a much more elongated face in the DA:I trailer. Its close, but it is enough to radically change what people find attractive.

I do tend to find Bioware games have longer faces than I prefer. I always have to have the eyes set as low as they can possibly go in the creator to make them look attractive.

Nope, head shape is the same as well.  Your placing her hair too much to that measurement. Her head is the same just with more hair.