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[aries1001]

Isn't Morrigan in Orlais now? And isn't Orlais in part inspired by France, in the 1700's (18th century) or maybe the 1500's?(16th century). As fas as I remember from history class in college etc. fake moles were all the rage in these time periods; women, especially noble women wore fake moles all the time. As I see it, Morrigan could have a fake mole on her chin to blend in with the Orlesian aristocrazy - /yes, i know the spelling is wrong / -.

As for how Morrigan looks, I'm not that much of a fan of her having her one covered with hair.
I also think her left eyebrow (from my perspective) looks kind of - ehm - weird? As for if she looks like herself from 10-12 years ago (in the game's time period), yes I do believe she does. Please Remember remember this: since the last time we saw her (10-12 years ago), she's had a baby, she's aged 10 years, and she is much wiser and more mature now, (I hope). As for her neck, to me the sides of her neck look about the same length; the reason some people might not seem so could be this: On the posted picture on the left, she has shirt/robe on which covers some of the base of her neck; on the picture on the right, she does not have such a short/robe on.

I find that something about her eyes have changed; on the picture on the right (young morrigan she seems to have mysterious eyes than on the picture on the right. [I hope you know what I mean as I'm not a native English speaker]. Her pupils (as in the dark/brown spot in her eyes) seems larger on the picture on the left than on the picture on the right. This could just be because her eyelids are covering more of the eyes in the picture of the right, though.

All in all, I do think, Morrigan looks just like herself - just 10 years older.

[Br3admax]

Can I join in on this protest, Dobby?

[KBomb]

Orian Tabris wrote...

I never said the mole was ugly, just that it has nothing to do with Morrigan being older. I also never said it was a facial structure. I was suggesting that her having a mole disproves that her character design is the same, just in a different engine, because she never had a mole in Origins. Honestly, adding a mole to comeone's face is not a way to make them seem older. Chances are, Morrigan had little to no exposure to sun light, thus making it make no sense that she would have a mole 10 years down the track.

One would hope that BioWare does not want to disappoint them by making their favourite characters look different, and adding a mole is something that seems like a pointless addition to a character... something that the BSN has constantly complained about (i.e. pointless additions). Anyway, a mole has nothing to do with aging. Sure, people can get moles as they age, but that hardly seems like an evolution on a character's design. More like a way to make them seem different to before.

Overall, Morrigan does look very similar in the trailer, but the addition of a mole, and the lack of bun/ponytail hair rising over the top of her head, are not good design choices. The lips are less inflated and the nose is less pointy in the trailer. You'd think that her head leaning downward would make the bun/ponytail higher up her head, not lower, while the nose is too low, in comparison to the Origins picture. Obviously we can't see the position she's in in those 2 pictures, but the head is definitely not facing upwards much in the 2nd, whetheras in the 1st, she is facing roughly the same angle, only lower. I am being picky, I know, but I just can't get over it. The nose also looks wider and lower at the tip.

The beauty mark on her face is clearly cosmetic and is in style with the renaissance look her character is now portraying, which seems to be what the style in Orlais is based on. It was very common to use powders (sometimes containing mercury or arsenic) to make the skin pale and to apply beauty marks. Since Morrigan is part of the royal court in Orlais (iirc on this information), it would make perfect sense for her to have this look. Age or not.

[Angrywolves]

Eh, I gave my opinion warlord .
If you were offended...
shrugs.
Maybe Bioware will change her looks again by the time beta testing starts.
I strongly suspects if that happens the same people who like her now will say how much they like the changes.
Maybe they won't change anything .
If the game gets good reviews I 'll probably by it.
Morrigan 's looks won't prevent that.
I doubt others who feel like I do about her face will be deterred from game either.
So ultimately it's a matter of opinion and taste and won't matter.

[Aolbain]

Why is it important that she looks attractive?

[TheInquisitor]

Aolbain wrote...

Why is it important that she looks attractive?

Because she was before? This is just my own personal taste, didn't mean to offend anyone as some people have acted like it's something against female characters, when it really isn't. I'm just commenting on how different she looks. The same applies to Alistair... He was handsome in DA:O and in DA2 he just looked weird (IN MY OPINION!). So it really isn't to do with sexifying female characters, but with changing how current ones look. I didn't find Cassandra or Aveline all that attractive in DA2 (Just my taste), but I still loved them as characters. So people, stop trying to put words in my mouth. I don't want all female characters to look stunning, I just don't want the characters I'm used to changing.

Modifié par TristanHawke, 10 octobre 2013 - 10:41 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Again, I basically think that with the new engine, BW finally has the ability to make more realistic-looking characters and that they probably wanted to go with a tweaked, more realistic-looking Morrigan. She's still recognizably Morrigan as far as I'm concerned.

[badboy64]

TristanHawke wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

Why is it important that she looks attractive?

Because she was before? This is just my own personal taste, didn't mean to offend anyone as some people have acted like it's something against female characters, when it really isn't. I'm just commenting on how different she looks. The same applies to Alistair... He was handsome in DA:O and in DA2 he just looked weird (IN MY OPINION!). So it really isn't to do with sexifying female characters, but with changing how current ones look. I didn't find Cassandra or Aveline all that attractive in DA2 (Just my taste), but I still loved them as characters. So people, stop trying to put words in my mouth. I don't want all female characters to look stunning, I just don't want the characters I'm used to changing.

Then you should just except the changes to Morrigan like many other people have. People can't stay looking the same after 10+years:innocent:. I really could care less was she looks like since she will not be a companion anyways traveling with you at all. It would be different if she was but she is not.

Modifié par badboy64, 10 octobre 2013 - 11:47 .

[Angrywolves]

Uh it's accept and of course Tristanhawk doesn't have to accept it just because other players have.
shrugs.
Feel this discussion has run its course.

[aphelion4]

Her nose being turned downward and emulating Flemeth's and her less hideous makeup are the most noticeable changes, and for the better. That raccoon eyeshadow? Ew. Her eyebrows are plucked differently and her mouth is slightly thinner. She looks waaaaaaaay better imo. Chin and jaw are about the same. Morrigan from Origins was bland.

[duckley]

I personally dont care if morrigan looks slightly different. I just find it mind boggling that some people apparently think she looks exactly the same but older. I said it before and will say it again
The aging process does not change the shape of your lips, brows, chin, nose, nor the length of your neck and most certainly not within an approximately 10-15 year time frame.

morrigan looks similar enough to DAO. 
Alistair on the other hand looked frightening IMO in DA2 , and  quite frankly it bothered me a lot. As awful as Zevran looked in DA2, at least his change fit in view of how the elves looked in DA2. Other returning characters looked the same or better (Cullen, Leliana, Nathaniel) In my opinion, if you are going to make beloved characters look like they have had bad plastic  surgery in cameos, ,I would rather not have the character included in a cameo or as a companion. Just my opinion of course. 

Modifié par duckley, 11 octobre 2013 - 03:46 .

[Brockololly]

aphelion4 wrote...

Her nose being turned downward and emulating Flemeth's and her less hideous makeup are the most noticeable changes, and for the better. 

But how do we know what Flemeth looks like in Frostbite? For all we know she's changed there too?!


As for Morrigan's face, I think based on the trailer and that GI screen shot, its a pretty generic and poor recreation of Morrigan's facial features from Origins. I think people are way overselling the "People age in 10 years!" card to handwave away basic differences in facial features that seem apparent. Your nose shape doesn't fundamentally change, you don't sprout birthmarks, your basic facial shape doesn't change and your lips don't deflate simply due to going from about your late 20's to mid-late 30's.

I don't want a 1:1 recreation of Morrigan's facial model from Origins but a more faithful recreation that at least tried to adhere to the basic facial features and shapes they had there would be welcome. Otherwise, DAI Morrigan seems like its mostly only identifiable as Morrigan based on the hairstyle, yellow eyes and Claudia Black's voice.

[KBomb]

Not that this pertains to Morrigan, since she is a fictional character--but some physical changes can happen as you age or go through hormonal changes. Your nose can droop and appear longer as you age. This happens to the ears, too and is brought about by soft tissue change and bones receding, which gives the nose less structural support.

As you grow older your bones also thin and can make your jawline appear longer and more define. Basically it could happen to any area where skin drapes over the bones, like cheeks--due to the cheekbone.

Pregnancy can also cause your lips to get larger and it can also make your nose look bigger.

Bones change throughout a lifetime

Again, as for her beauty mark-- it goes with the theme of Orlais and is most likely cosmetic in nature.

[KBomb]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Look. Here's the simple answer.

A new graphics engine

Simple and logical. I agree.

[Lotion Soronarr]

How about a plot point for DA:I - all cameo characters have fallen into a vat of chemicals or had acid thrown in their face.
They all look like Two-face or Joker.
Discuss.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Again, I basically think that with the new engine, BW finally has the ability to make more realistic-looking characters and that they probably wanted to go with a tweaked, more realistic-looking Morrigan. She's still recognizably Morrigan as far as I'm concerned.

I'd say she looks even less realistic than DAO Morri. It's obviously a stylistic choice. You guys do know that Bioware could easily use the exact same model from DAO if they wanted to? Even tmp7704 has transferred models from da2 to dao and vice versa.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

I'd say she looks even less realistic than DAO Morri. It's obviously a stylistic choice. You guys do know that Bioware could easily use the exact same model from DAO if they wanted to? Even tmp7704 has transferred models from da2 to dao and vice versa.

yeah put the five year old face model in the game with n times the resolution
problem solved!

nonsnarky: whose to say they didn't start with the same mesh and only make minor tweaks? with new textures and good lighting even the same geometry would look wildly different.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 11 octobre 2013 - 07:34 .

[Allan Schumacher]

We'd likely need to import her model from raw files (the Eclipse files used for both DAO and DA2 are almost certainly incompatible with Frostbite). Though I'm a bit curious how she'd stand up if placed side by side the character models we've made for DAI.

[Magdalena11]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

We'd likely need to import her model from raw files (the Eclipse files used for both DAO and DA2 are almost certainly incompatible with Frostbite). Though I'm a bit curious how she'd stand up if placed side by side the character models we've made for DAI.

Tou tease.

[t0mm06]

Karsciyin wrote...

Because they went from Eclipse engine to Frostbite engine and directly translating the models is not only impossible but emulating them would make them fall into the Uncanny valley.

Oh wait you looking for Lore reason
um she got older
drank lots of milk for strong bones
stole the Warden's skin

sorry to be picky but i h to study the uncanny valley for years, and its generally ageed apon that games don' suffer from it (or at least suffer from it so little th it ont matter). (also it wouldnt be impossible to import, as all models would start in a 3d software so they could have just used that model (although thta would be silly as it probably wouldnt have the matching  topology that they use for DA:I)

[Dermain]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Look. Here's the simple answer.

A new graphics engine

Give this man an Occam's Razor Prize!

However, I do enjoy all the conspiracy theories about a characters graphical change. Carry on doing what you do best BSN!

[Bfler]

t0mm06 wrote...
...(also it wouldnt be impossible to import, as all models would start in a 3d software so they could have just used that model (although thta would be silly as it probably wouldnt have the matching  topology that they use for DA:I) 

Yes, only task is to export your model into something, the game understands. In Skyrim, there are e.q. also mods with converted DA 2 , Starcrat 2 etc. models, so nothing is impossible.