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Why has Morrigans facial structure changed? [And will other returning characters have different faces)?


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t0mm06 wrote...
also saying excuse me before everything you say does not make up for the clearly aggressive and ****ty tone you are portraying, nor does it make up for it.

thats like me saying no offence but that comment made you sound like a child who is having a tantrum.


Sounds about right.;)

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I don't think either of them was as horrifying as some people seem to (I assume it's the typical exaggeration with which every opinion is expressed hereabouts), but they did look a bit different and it would have been nice to have the time to custom tweak them like Morrigan and Cassandra and such have been. 


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If not for the tattoo on his cheek and his voice, I would genuinely not have known that was Zevran. Not only his entire face has changed, but his hair, eyebrow, and skin color as well. He looks bleached. I'm not sure if that is an effect of the in-game chargen, but it seems unlikely.:huh:


I think Zev was doomed to look different regardless, because of the change they made to the Elves. ITA with you though - if not for his voice....:crying:

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duckley wrote...


I think Zev was doomed to look different regardless, because of the change they made to the Elves. ITA with you though - if not for his voice....:crying:


And the hilarious thing is that should he show up again, he'll be changed for the third time in 3 games!

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Brockololly wrote...

duckley wrote...


I think Zev was doomed to look different regardless, because of the change they made to the Elves. ITA with you though - if not for his voice....:crying:


And the hilarious thing is that should he show up again, he'll be changed for the third time in 3 games!



Well to be fair, Zev would be....what, in his 40's now?


And I can't believe the number of people complaining about the new Morrigan look.
1) Better engine more refined/realistic art style instead of an animation look

2) Age....man, you could take a picture of me when I was 25 and now that I'm 40, side by side and I wouldn't look exactly the same (and Morrigan not getting a 'mole' since she doesn't spend much time outisde? Ummmm HELLO! She lived in the flippin' woods for 20+ years......sun damage is cumulative....I don't think her magic extends to SPF)

3) Perspectives of those two pictures is NOT the same.

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Age? Mole? Change of engine?

Excuse me, but a change of engine doesn't add a mole.
Excuse me, but why would a change of engine have to change her eyebrow? It might of course, depending upon what the creation process of the face supports I guess. Why not add another eyebrow style?

Aged? Excuse me, but her cranium has changed. The distances and shapes of mouth and nose are sort of OK.
Her infraorbital and zygomatic bone are not OK.
If those are the result of a new engine, I guess everybody will walk around with bashed in zygomatic bone then?
Fine, carry on.


-No but you can grow/ get moles throughout your life. or draw them on to fit into certain societies (like the french used too)
-And no but tweezers most certainly can change your eyebrows.
-and how exactly have you seen enough of her cranium to see that it has changed under all that hair?... that rhetorical

also saying excuse me before everything you say does not make up for the clearly aggressive and ****ty tone you are portraying, nor does it make up for it.

thats like me saying no offence but that comment made you sound like a child who is having a tantrum.


I couldn't give a rat's ... for how Bioware see how Morrigan must look now. Which is why I finish with "fine, carry on". If that is the new game engine's head model which causes it, then so be it.

Of course there is some expression of being annoyed in my post. I read the entire thread. Every page. In it I found, instead of a discussion about the change of Morrigan's appearance, an bunch of unreasonable theories and claims which just doesn't cut it.  Look, her bone structure is changed.

It's just the same as in how your comment about tweezers could annoy me (if I didn't relax and exhale deeply). Tweezers don't move the eyebrow half an inch. And that sort of arguments/excuses is ultimately just the same as saying she could use her magic shape changing skills to change her appearance, or saying that she could use a rubber mask (to drive this all the way to the silly edge). It's not about that.

It is interesting if some artists, or art director thinks her appearance should change in some direction. I would like to hear about such (unfortunately, it wouldn't be wise of Bioware to have such a discussion, and it likely wouldn't ever end), but DA:I is not DA:O or DA:2. It's a new game, in a new engine, and things just can't look the same. Pretty obvious, really. That, in itself, is a slightly clean canvas.

So I was not annoyed with Morrigan's looks. I was annoyed with the thread.  The way I vented this, was unproductive and thus foolish.

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she looks amazing and closer to her VA. OP is on something...

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bEVEsthda wrote...

t0mm06 wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...

Age? Mole? Change of engine?

Excuse me, but a change of engine doesn't add a mole.
Excuse me, but why would a change of engine have to change her eyebrow? It might of course, depending upon what the creation process of the face supports I guess. Why not add another eyebrow style?

Aged? Excuse me, but her cranium has changed. The distances and shapes of mouth and nose are sort of OK.
Her infraorbital and zygomatic bone are not OK.
If those are the result of a new engine, I guess everybody will walk around with bashed in zygomatic bone then?
Fine, carry on.


-No but you can grow/ get moles throughout your life. or draw them on to fit into certain societies (like the french used too)
-And no but tweezers most certainly can change your eyebrows.
-and how exactly have you seen enough of her cranium to see that it has changed under all that hair?... that rhetorical

also saying excuse me before everything you say does not make up for the clearly aggressive and ****ty tone you are portraying, nor does it make up for it.

thats like me saying no offence but that comment made you sound like a child who is having a tantrum.


I couldn't give a rat's ... for how Bioware see how Morrigan must look now. Which is why I finish with "fine, carry on". If that is the new game engine's head model which causes it, then so be it.

Of course there is some expression of being annoyed in my post. I read the entire thread. Every page. In it I found, instead of a discussion about the change of Morrigan's appearance, an bunch of unreasonable theories and claims which just doesn't cut it.  Look, her bone structure is changed.

It's just the same as in how your comment about tweezers could annoy me (if I didn't relax and exhale deeply). Tweezers don't move the eyebrow half an inch. And that sort of arguments/excuses is ultimately just the same as saying she could use her magic shape changing skills to change her appearance, or saying that she could use a rubber mask (to drive this all the way to the silly edge). It's not about that.

It is interesting if some artists, or art director thinks her appearance should change in some direction. I would like to hear about such (unfortunately, it wouldn't be wise of Bioware to have such a discussion, and it likely wouldn't ever end), but DA:I is not DA:O or DA:2. It's a new game, in a new engine, and things just can't look the same. Pretty obvious, really. That, in itself, is a slightly clean canvas.

So I was not annoyed with Morrigan's looks. I was annoyed with the thread.  The way I vented this, was unproductive and thus foolish.

My thoughts exactly. It's not just Morrigan. Humans looks different (I personally think they look more like potatos now :P), just like the Qunari look different from DAO. So apart from Sten and Zevran, someone also brought up Isabella being a far worse offender, who looks to have had a very late puberty and changed ethnicities.

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I thought she looked great and i recognize her straight away in the trailer......and you can see with the new frostbite engine that the characters models are insanely more detailed
.....must just be me though lol

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I guessing the what we are seeing now is a CGI-rendered Morrigan.

Keep in mind the CGI Morrigan vs in-game Morrigan looked different as well in DA:O

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Morrigan has never looked good in the trailers.  Even in DA:O's "sacred ashes trailer".

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fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

My thoughts exactly. It's not just Morrigan. Humans looks different (I personally think they look more like potatos now :P), just like the Qunari look different from DAO. So apart from Sten and Zevran, someone also brought up Isabella being a far worse offender, who looks to have had a very late puberty and changed ethnicities.


Isabela was always dark skinned, even in Origins. <_<

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TKavatar wrote...

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

My thoughts exactly. It's not just Morrigan. Humans looks different (I personally think they look more like potatos now :P), just like the Qunari look different from DAO. So apart from Sten and Zevran, someone also brought up Isabella being a far worse offender, who looks to have had a very late puberty and changed ethnicities.


Isabela was always dark skinned, even in Origins. <_<


Dark skinned isn't an ethnicity. Any ethnicity can have dark skin.

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I liked the Morrigan in DA:O and from what we've seen so far of her in DA:I it just looks off.

I found her original model to have a more sultry/sexyness to it whereas this one looks just...weird the proportions of her facial structure.

I dont' really see why an artist can't make it similar/the same as the original model, even if it's a new engine is it really that hard to have the look be the same? There are plenty of video games that have spanned characters in multiple titles years apart with new engines yet they are able to keep the characters looking the same.

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Not that it matters, but in the trailer, not only does Morrigan look older, I don't think she's very attractive either. Just my opinion, and I fully expect to be trashed for it, but I think she kind of looks like she should be working out of the Pearl in Denerim.

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tbf I have noticed a tendency for Bioware characters to not look like how they do in trailers. That being said she is 10 years older and in some cases has had a child.

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DinoSteve wrote...

tbf I have noticed a tendency for Bioware characters to not look like how they do in trailers. That being said she is 10 years older and in some cases has had a child.


Yeah. Characters never, EVER end up looking as awesome in the actual game as they did in the trailer or concept art.

Never trust a trailer. Or concept art, because nobody out there is good enough at modelling and texturing to make 3d models look as pretty as ink and paper...

Anyway - I think we all have our own ideas of what different characters "should" look like. For example in DAO I made Zevran dark haired, because I think blonde hair and dark skin looks weird. I just hope we'll be able to find a way to change NPC's faces in this game.

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Lets be honest who in Dragon Age Origins actually looks like these characters: www.youtube.com/watch

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She looks amazing in DA:I and she still looks young, That's my girl!

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By the way, as far as I am led to believe, we will be able to create our Wardens and Hawkes in the same way we will be able to create our Inquisitors at the start of the game... and possibly at the start of the game, too.

May I ask where you got that information?

I think David Gaider posted something along those lines in the thread about returning Hawke and Warden.  That is, if they return.  There's no guarantee yet.

That sounds very reasonable, actually.

They would use the same character creater, but for the 3 characters. Very little extra effort on BioWare's part, but avoids a huge trap of fan rage over save imports.

I like that solution and it was presented in a another thread as well. It makes the most sense.

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It's a different engine, she's older, and a shapeshifter.

I would still invade her temple of doom any day.

Amen bro, I'd hit that as well.

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and that's off topic. How warden and hawke will look in DAI is irrelevant to the topic.
Tired of the excuses of she's 10 years older and had a child and she looks fine. She looks pretty awful imo and I'll never accept those excuses . If other players do that's their business .
Won't stop me from buying the game but I'm much less likely to tolerate and support her if her looks stay the same. If I ever have a chance to speak to a developer directly and tell him/her I hate Morrigan's face I will. I won't be disrespectful but I won't hold back either. shrugs.

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Please explain to me what is wrong with Morrigan's face? Plenty of women wish that they could look like that at her age and after having a kid.

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Angrywolves wrote...

and that's off topic. How warden and hawke will look in DAI is irrelevant to the topic.
Tired of the excuses of she's 10 years older and had a child and she looks fine. She looks pretty awful imo and I'll never accept those excuses . If other players do that's their business .
Won't stop me from buying the game but I'm much less likely to tolerate and support her if her looks stay the same. If I ever have a chance to speak to a developer directly and tell him/her I hate Morrigan's face I will. I won't be disrespectful but I won't hold back either. shrugs.


can you please have a picture and point out each and every problem. Cause from what I see it looks good. It's different but honestly it grew on me.

Cause the fact that the engine changed, imo is a VERY good reason why she would look different.

cause just saying "it looks bad" honestly not really helpful to anyone. MS paint is on every computer and there is enough pictures out there that you can use one and circle areas of your dislikeness.

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 Well, if Morrigan is still being "tweaked" I hope she's tweaked towards looking like Claudia Black, because I'm in love with her.

Don't tell my wife.

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in the ashes trailer she look old and not that good. But iv seem some screenshots and she look beautiful and well aged.