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[cjones91]

Both idealogies have some similarities but which one provides a better life?

Pros for the Qun:

Everyone is treated as equals(except for mages)and no one is excluded based on their upbringing.
They have a extremely efficient society where everyone contributes to the whole.
They are more technologically advanced than the rest of Thedas.

Cons:

They treat anyone who isn't part of the Qun as things that should be converted or killed.
There is no personal freedom and you can't choose a different role besides the one that was given.
They treat their mages more horribly than the Chantry's.

Pros for the Chantry:

They help the poor and desperate as shown with places like Lothering.
There is alot of freedom in Andrastian nations(except for mages).
They let people choose to convert rather than force it on them.

Cons:

There is systematic corruption that many high ranking members seem to ignore in regards to the Circles and how mages are treated.
They did some very despicable things to groups that aren't Andrastian such as the elves.
They discriminate against mages and elves whereas the Qun atleast offers a place for the latter.
They tend to edit history if it makes the Chantry look bad.

[Aolbain]

This is going to go places.

[Beerfish]

I would need to learn more about the Qun from a reputable source. As in someone not in the military part of them. Like many ideologies in theory they have good benefits however all too often the base ideologies are abandoned when it is convenient to do so. both the Chantry and the Qunari we have seen have been guilty of this.

[RobRam10]

The Imperial Chantry is the best.

[leaguer of one]

Who's better? Ha!

Screw religion in general.

[BigEvil]

I like the Qun, and I like the Chantry, but which one is better? There's only one way to find out, FIGHT!!!

[ATiBotka]

The Qun is way better.

[cjones91]

BigEvil wrote...

I like the Qun, and I like the Chantry, but which one is better? There's only one way to find out, FIGHT!!!

Without the mages under their banner the Chantry would easily lose to the Qunari.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

No. The Qunari were already retreating by the time the New Exalted Marches too place. Also the the Chantry is much better on average. They aren't even really comparable. The Chantry is a religion. The Qun is their government. The roles they play in society and the authority they have are very different.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 10 octobre 2013 - 04:24 .

[vortex216]

The Qun. I would probably not convert, but I respect the hell outa them.

[Nightwing99]

about 2 of the the Chantry Cons

There is systematic corruption that many high ranking members seem to ignore in regards to the Circles and how mages are treated.

1 Almost every organization protect their owne

They tend to edit history if it makes the Chantry look bad.

2-History is always written by the winner and is There evidence the enemies of the Chantry version of history is More correct

Modifié par Nightwing99, 10 octobre 2013 - 04:29 .

[MisterJB]

Well, I can see a bright future ahead of this thread.
It's probrably the flamewar.

[Nightwing99]

Please delete

Modifié par Nightwing99, 10 octobre 2013 - 04:29 .

[cjones91]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

No. The Qunari were already retreating by the time the New Exalted Marches too place. Also the the Chantry is much better on average. They aren't even really comparable. The Chantry is a religion. The Qun is their government. The roles they play in society and the authority they have are very different.

It took all of Thedas just to push the Qunari back,hell they were kicking the Chantry nations' asses before the mages were called in.

[BigEvil]

cjones91 wrote...

BigEvil wrote...

I like the Qun, and I like the Chantry, but which one is better? There's only one way to find out, FIGHT!!!

Without the mages under their banner the Chantry would easily lose to the Qunari.

Wow, you sucked the fun out of that joke reference so quickly. I'm proud of you.

[Navasha]

Can I go with neither? If not, I would have to say the Chantry is only slightly better than the Qun. At least joining the Chantry is a choice. Like many religions, most of the followers only give lip-service to it and ignore most of the extreme elements of the religion.

The Qun don't do this. They embrace their extreme views and even relish in it. I really kind of despise anything the forces an ideology upon an individual.

So given a choice, I would pick Chantry, if only because they are slightly less forceful in their methods.

[Br3admax]

The Cult of the Old Gods, obviously.

[cjones91]

BigEvil wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

BigEvil wrote...

I like the Qun, and I like the Chantry, but which one is better? There's only one way to find out, FIGHT!!!

Without the mages under their banner the Chantry would easily lose to the Qunari.

Wow, you sucked the fun out of that joke reference so quickly. I'm proud of you.

Oops,it's hard to tell when someone is trying to be funny over the internet.Sorry for killing the joke.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

cjones91 wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

No. The Qunari were already retreating by the time the New Exalted Marches too place. Also the the Chantry is much better on average. They aren't even really comparable. The Chantry is a religion. The Qun is their government. The roles they play in society and the authority they have are very different.

It took all of Thedas just to push the Qunari back,hell they were kicking the Chantry nations' asses before the mages were called in.

No they weren't. The Andrastian nations had already halted the Qunari advance before the mages got involved. The Chantry called the New Exalted Marches (where Genetivi describes the mages getting involved) to break the stalemate. Mages were vitally instrumental to pushing the Qunari back to northern Rivain, but not in avoiding losing the war entirely.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 10 octobre 2013 - 04:41 .

[BigEvil]

cjones91 wrote...
Oops,it's hard to tell when someone is trying to be funny over the internet.Sorry for killing the joke.

That's fine, I should have used a smilie really.

As for your list of pros and cons, I'd argue that with the threat of exalted marches the Chantry isn't much better than the Qun when it comes to convert or die. It could even be said that the Qunari are a bit more honest or up-front about it.

Modifié par BigEvil, 10 octobre 2013 - 04:44 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Exalted Marches aren't that common. And they aren't called unless there is a threat to the Chantry as a whole.

[cjones91]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Exalted Marches aren't that common. And they aren't called unless there is a threat to the Chantry as a whole.

Or a threat to the nations of Thedas.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

 As a proud communist i have to say the Qun 

[cjones91]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

No. The Qunari were already retreating by the time the New Exalted Marches too place. Also the the Chantry is much better on average. They aren't even really comparable. The Chantry is a religion. The Qun is their government. The roles they play in society and the authority they have are very different.

It took all of Thedas just to push the Qunari back,hell they were kicking the Chantry nations' asses before the mages were called in.

No they weren't. The Andrastian nations had already halted the Qunari advance before the mages got involved. The Chantry called the New Exalted Marches (where Genetivi describes the mages getting involved) to break the stalemate. Mages were vitally instrumental to pushing the Qunari back to northern Rivain, but not in avoiding losing the war entirely.

Considering the Qunari treated the conflict as just a minor setback, I'll wager they could have easily steamrolled the Chantry nations since we know that Par Vollen isn't their original home.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

What? They didn't treat it as a minor setback. They lost almost all the territory their gained in the war and suffered extensive damage to their millitary. It's just that those losses didn't motivate them to stop fighting. Their initial invasion was so overwhelming they reached all the way to the Free Marches within 10 years, but no further. in the next 40 years they failed to conquer more human lands and in the next 100 years after that they were being slowly pushed back. Even after the Llomerryn Accords it was many decades before they seemed able to muster the effort to regain Seheron from Tevinter.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 10 octobre 2013 - 05:04 .