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[HiroVoid]

I am curious what this was all about though. 

 

I guess that storyline was scrapped. 

Yeah.  There was probably another subplot with Bluebeard trying to take over too that was probably scrapped.

[Matieo]

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I haven't read the comics yet but I found this quote on the wiki:

"In the Homelands she was known for cooking and eating children. She was once burned to ashes in her own oven, but was so powerful (and popular among the mundies) that she was able to survive and reconstitute herself."

Now, you can say that Frau Totenkinder wasn't actually dead and thus she wasn't revived but if her popularity allowed her to reconstitute herself after being burned to ashes, I think Bloody Mary should be able to pull it off.

 

 

This is technically true, but I wonder how much actual leeway there is there. Major comic spoilers below:

 

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Goldilocks snipes Snow White in Animal Farm, but it's not like her head's blown off, so she ends up being in a coma for six weeks, and stays in the hospital for even longer, eg. Black Mamba from Kill Bill. She, actually, appears in limbo with Colin, and he convinces her to wake up.

 

Dun, Posey, and Colin are all beheaded, and don't come back, as far as I've read.

 

Having said all that, Frau's a witch; Bloody Mary is kind of a witch. It's also entirely possible that someone else takes up the role of the Bloody Mary folktale. Same way the three giants become the the three little pigs. Maybe Nerissa/Faith?

[bFootball]

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I felt so sorry for TJ at the end. I even gave Toad the money for the glamours in EP 4, but it was no use.
Overall, it was a satisfying end to the series, with enough wriggle room to make another if they want... I hope they do.

[Heimdall]

This is technically true, but I wonder how much actual leeway there is there. Major comic spoilers below:
 

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Goldilocks snipes Snow White in Animal Farm, but it's not like her head's blown off, so she ends up being in a coma for six weeks, and stays in the hospital for even longer, eg. Black Mamba from Kill Bill. She, actually, appears in limbo with Colin, and he convinces her to wake up.
 
Dun, Posey, and Colin are all beheaded, and don't come back, as far as I've read.
 
Having said all that, Frau's a witch; Bloody Mary is kind of a witch. It's also entirely possible that someone else takes up the role of the Bloody Mary folktale. Same way the three giants become the the three little pigs. Maybe Nerissa/Faith?

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Remember, Fables' hardiness is proportional to the popularity of their stories. Rose Red remarks that Snow is pretty much invulnerable thanks to her being so popular while Red, being rather little known compared to her sister, would die almost as easily as a normal human.

[TheRealJayDee]

So, I played Episode 5 today, and I liked it quite a lot!

 

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I'm among those who believe that it was actually a very much alive Faith, btw.  

[Dave of Canada]

Liked the episode up until

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you confront the Crooked Man in the factory, it was a terribly disappointing denouement. Perhaps it's different if you spare him but strangling him, bringing his corpse back and having people yell at me for a bit before Nerissa makes everything fine felt really, really cheap. Let alone the fact that the "mystery" was terribly simple and mundane.

 

Best part of the episode was Bloody Mary and she wasn't given any other characterization other than "evil bodyguard".

In addition to all of this, I felt the last 15s was unneeded.

 

By the end of the really, really short episode... I was left disappointed.

[SlottsMachine]

So, I played Episode 5 today, and I liked it quite a lot!

 

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I'm among those who believe that it was actually a very much alive Faith, btw.  

 

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Yeah, at first I could've cared less whether it was Nerissa or Faith, its all the same to me. But the more you think about it, if it was Faith all along, jeez, talk about a master stratagem. Maybe at first I thought it was Nerissa if forced to choose, but now I'm with you. Faith the Houdini FTW

[spirosz]

Yeah, I loved the episode, but the pacing was off - that's my main issue.  I don't know why they felt it needed to be that short and I'm hoping that doesn't become a trend for their episodes/future games. 

[Allan Schumacher]

I didn't see this shared (mid game spoilers) but I laughed a lot hahaha.

 

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[LPPrince]

The poll used to be split between two or three votes between the two choices, now it's around 40

 

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 http://strawpoll.me/2079759/

[LPPrince]

I didn't see this shared (mid game spoilers) but I laughed a lot hahaha.

 

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Hah, yeah. That's from earlier in the year, the internet had fun with that little mod someone made. They(fans) took the same animation and threw it into The Walking Dead Season 2, hahaha

[Raizo]

Now that I've completed Episode 5 I've decided to replay the the whole entire game from the beginning in order to get all the book of fables entries.

There's a poll based on the ending
 

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 http://strawpoll.me/2079759/ 

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Right after you learn Faith's name, if you go to the magic mirror and ask him to show Faith he says"through powerful magic her where a outs concealed. Unfortunately for you these lips are sealed" this leads me to believe Faith, is alive at the end of the game and that it is more than likely that it was Nerissa's head that was left in front of the woodland apartments.

[Han Shot First]

Now that I've completed Episode 5 I've decided to replay the the whole entire game from the beginning in order to get all the book of fables entries.

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Right after you learn Faith's name, if you go to the magic mirror and ask him to show Faith he says"through powerful magic her where a outs concealed. Unfortunately for you these lips are sealed" this leads me to believe Faith, is alive at the end of the game and that it is more than likely that it was Nerissa's head that was left in front of the woodland apartments.

 

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Actually you also get the 'lips are sealed' treatment if you ask about Lily as well, who was definitely dead at the time. I think the Mirror not being able to show them is linked to the still active magic tied to the ribbons, rather than an indication that Faith was alive and glamoured as Nerissa.

[In Exile]

Liked the episode up until

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you confront the Crooked Man in the factory, it was a terribly disappointing denouement. Perhaps it's different if you spare him but strangling him, bringing his corpse back and having people yell at me for a bit before Nerissa makes everything fine felt really, really cheap. Let alone the fact that the "mystery" was terribly simple and mundane.

 

Best part of the episode was Bloody Mary and she wasn't given any other characterization other than "evil bodyguard".

In addition to all of this, I felt the last 15s was unneeded.

 

By the end of the really, really short episode... I was left disappointed.

 

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It's very different if you let him live. You have a contrast of values public debate in what amounts to a show trial with a lot of interesting ending elements.

[Han Shot First]

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It's very different if you let him live. You have a contrast of values public debate in what amounts to a show trial with a lot of interesting ending elements.

 

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I also thought the two options presented for killing the Crooked Man are more satisfying than strangling him in the factory.

[LPPrince]

Now that I've completed Episode 5 I've decided to replay the the whole entire game from the beginning in order to get all the book of fables entries.

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Right after you learn Faith's name, if you go to the magic mirror and ask him to show Faith he says"through powerful magic her where a outs concealed. Unfortunately for you these lips are sealed" this leads me to believe Faith, is alive at the end of the game and that it is more than likely that it was Nerissa's head that was left in front of the woodland apartments.

 

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Nah, he couldn't say anything because of Vivian's ribbons. He says the same thing about Lily, and she was a goner.

[Raizo]

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Nah, he couldn't say anything because of Vivian's ribbons. He says the same thing about Lily, and she was a goner.

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I would have assumed that since Faith's head has been separated from her body and the ribbon removed completely from her person ( it was found stuffed in her mouth and Bigby removes it ) that the enchantment that was on the ribbon around Faith neck is no longer active. The only other explanation for how the spell works is that the only way to remove the enchantment is for Vivian to remove her ribbon.

Either way, it is apparent that girl that Bigby meets at the beginning of the game and the one he talks to at the end is the same girl. Either it was Nerissa impersonating Faith in Episode 1 chapter 1 or it is Faith impersonating Nerissa for the rest of the game, either way it's real mind ****..

[BigEvil]

Just finished Ep5 earlier. I never got around to posting anything about Ep4, but maybe when I play through both episodes with my Big Bad Wolf playthrough.

 

Some thoughts

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The episode was shorter than I thought it would be. I don't know why, Ep4 ended with Bigby standing in Crooked Man's meeting place so I should have expected it. I suppose I was expecting his cronies to act as speed-bumps to give him time to escape until a final showdown. Technically that happened, but I suppose I didn't expect Jersey and the Dees (both were alive in this playthrough) to be taken out as quickly.

 

The action was fun. Crooked Man was one suave, evil bastard. Even when his people started getting out of line when he started throwing them to the wolf he had such a grip on them that he could silence them with a calm but firm word. I still don't feel the slightest bit sorry for Georgie.

 

Bloody Mary's fight was fun. I especially liked her true form and her many selves shattering into glass. I'd like to think that maybe she could come back, but if they do another season (which I imagine they might given the ending and all the news coverage saying season finale like there will be more) having her show up again might be a bit much. Perhaps it's better she doesn't return, villain decay and all that.

 

I brought Crooked Man in alive, got the crowd on my side and threw him down the Witching Well. Also killed Georgie rather than leaving him to die, mostly in case he managed to survive.

 

I'm still not sure about the ending though. I know they're clearly trying to make it seem like it could be Nerissa or it could be Faith, but I don't see how that would really work. If it's Nerissa just using similar wording to Faith making Bigby doubt, ok. But if it's Faith glamoured to be Nerissa then her telling Bigby about selling out Faith and Lily doesn't really make sense. If it's Faith she wants to leave and not have anyone know she's still alive, telling Bigby could have gotten in the way of that. And if the first head was Nerissa's then Faith must have somehow glamoured herself as Nerissa and Nerissa as Faith and manipulated the situation to get Georgie to kill Nerissa and Lily. Maybe the ribbon wouldn't allow Nerissa to say she was glamoured and was not Faith, but still, real Faith wouldn't be certain Georgie wouldn't just kill all three of them. Seems like an awful big gamble.

 

All in all I enjoyed it. Seeing Toad and T.J sent to the farm was sad, but I suppose they have to set some things up to line up with the comics (I've currently read up to the end of 1001 Nights of Snowfall, Vol 4 of the deluxe graphic novels). Glad I got to see Flycatcher again, hope if there is another season he's in it more, and maybe Boy Blue will show up.

[Chewin]

If anyone is having doubts about getting the comics, well don't, they are extremely good.

The characters are well-rounded, the stories are solid and offer a variety from murder investigations to small fairy tale stories, the humor is subtle and hilarious (though subjective), and more. What has most impressed me with the comics has been Bigby himself. He is a more collected, proactive, intellectual character than in the game and seeing him unravelling mysteries, scheming plots and manipulating events have been a joy to read through.

So I highly recommend people giving them a go, if anyone is one the fence.

[In Exile]

If anyone is having doubts about getting the comics, well don't, they are extremely good.

The characters are well-rounded, the stories are solid and offer a variety from murder investigations to small fairy tale stories, the humor is subtle and hilarious (though subjective), and more. What has most impressed me with the comics has been Bigby himself. He is a more collected, proactive, intellectual character than in the game and seeing him unravelling mysteries, scheming plots and manipulating events have been a joy to read through.

So I highly recommend people giving them a go, if anyone is one the fence.

 

Comic Bibgy is only very superficially like TWAU Bibgy. Depending on how far you get into the comics, you end up seeing Bibgy is very much the Chessmaster for Fabletown. 

[theflyingzamboni]

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Pretty sure that Narissa was actually Faith the whole time.

 

Though aside from the thought provoker, I did enjoy the adhoc trial with Crooked Man.  I ended up actually not making a decision at the well, which ultimately led to me dropping him.  But part of me regretted that.... which I think makes for an interesting narrative.

 

I definitely enjoy trying to play the good guy in these games.  Played good cop with the Woodsman and was typically compassionate towards people like Holly.  I enjoyed that the game let me NOT continue beating on people a lot of the time, like the one eyed dude at the bar, beast.  And even a few others.  In my game, Bigby was tired of being The Big Bad.  Though it was cool the few times he did become one.

 

 

All in all I really liked it.  And bravo to them for faking me into thinking the fridged Snow.  I was like: Really? :|  And then they trudged on.  I wonder if any went "Oh FFS" and took some time returning."

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I didn't take time off, but I did have a "Oh no!" moment, followed by a "You've got to be kidding me :|" moment. I really was worried they'd fridged Snow, too. Especially since they introduced Faith, gave her just enough characterization for me to be interested in her, and then promptly fridged her. I was kinda irritated about that. Well, at least until the end, when I learned they'd pulled a bigger one on me. Learning that Faith not only didn't get fridged, but in fact had been nudging me along and masterminding the whole takedown of the Crooked Man the entire time was an awesome moment. They made it seem like they killed her to start the plot and act as motivation, but subverted the trope by making her the chessmaster. That was pretty brilliant to me.

And yeah, agree with the violence thing. I played a Big B. who occasionally slipped, but overall was weary of his role and genuinely trying to be good. Which culminated rather nicely in being able to spare the Crooked Man, capping off that character development.

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

Loved it, but I can't help but feel that this series could have been so much more if it weren't for the delays, rewrites, and some pretty hectic rushing towards the end. I thought episode 3 was sort of a return to form for them, but then both Episodes 4 and 5 turned out to be so short. Not that I don't like them, because I'm genuinely invested in this intriguing and frankly awesome universe.

 

As for my thoughts on Episode 5

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I am a little disappointed by the trial itself, what with the almost schizophrenic shifts in attitudes amongst some of the crowd (Not Holly and Gren, though. They never bought into the CM's BS for 1 sec, and I love them for that), and the inability to win the crowd over by revealing some of the nasty stuff that the CM is behind: the high interest loans, the threats of sending armed goons after the indebted, the slave workers as well as the magic meth lab behind the butcher's shop, etc. Sparing Aunty Greenleaf's tree doesn't seem to have done us any favors.\

 

And then there is a distinctive lack of Snow White in this episode, which is kinda disappointing as she played such a large role in the previous 4 episodes. It wouldn't make sense for her to show up in the middle of the confrontation at the factory, but that final conversation between Snow and Bigby is so....lacking. Especially after DAT moment in episode 4 and Colin's subsequent cockblock (GAaarrggh!!!! Damn you Colin!!!) I know it fits in with canon, but damn....I ship Bigby and Snow too much.

 

Looking at Telltale's schedule and their seeming shift in focus to larger, more popular franchises, I don't think there will be a sequel. I also don't think there needs to be a sequel, as the story is pretty self-contained. The plot began with a murder in episode 1, and the arc is eventually resolved with loose ends tied up in episode 5. The final twist is great because it is very much in line with TWAU's film noir influences, but is for all intents and purposes, harmless. Her identity doesn't really bear any importance to the plot. Something to get our minds spinning and spark some forum debates, but most certainly not enough for a full blown sequel. In other words, I don't think its a cliffhanger.