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[Lord Raijin]

Cullen is just another mage hating templar...just like his boss Meredith. Thats why he became Captain. Meredith coddled him.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So the man who trusted blood mages on good faith that they wouldn't abuse blood magic, and who intentionally hid the fact that his daughter was a mage, thus leading to her running away and transformation into an abomination in the first place, is the right man for the job.

But a tried and tested templar of, at the time, the worst circle compromise in the history of thedas, caused by one of these libertarians mind you, and someone who follows the chain of command and obeys the law is not.

Just because you like thrask as a person, doesn't mean he's qualified to be a knight captain at all. A lot of his insubordination was before meredith ever actually began cracking down hard on mages. And more importantly, was done with full knowledge he was putting the mages of the circle, the people of kirkwall, and the templars in mortal danger.

Trying to have a compromise is better than sitting around and do nothing. What was cullen doing when you have people such as ser alrik doing nasty thing like threatening mages with the tranquil solution? I am not saying that ser thrash should be knight captain but at least he try doing something unlike cullen 

He tried it in a very stupid, naive way, that reflected on his overall view of the issue. He was overly trusting, and nade mistakes in judgement that cost a lot of people their lives, and only seemed to get less wise and more bleeding heartedly stupid as time went on.

Clearly, when his conspirators began using blood magic to kidnap your loved ones, he should have realized that his mages could not be trusted anymore. But poor naive trask didn't, and that's why I don't care about him or his attempts to compromise.

At least he did tried and was unfortunatly he got killed. What about cullen? Other than turing against the knight commander, did he tried to do anything to help with the situation between the templars and mages? He did have bad experience when the circle in ferelden was infested with demons and abomination but letting one incident affect his view of the mages is just him being narrow minded.  

You know who else "tried" to make things better? Anders, and look what that **** face did to do it. Thrask is a fool, and he died like a fool. It doesn't matter what he was trying when, in the end, he just made things worse.

And one incident? That's like saying soliders shouldn't let their one incident of fighting in the war give them PTSD. Going through horrible things can leave a person scarred mentally, and trying to play off that event like nothing shows quite a bit of disrespect.

So letting people like meredith and alrik be loose canon is a good thing and people trying to make things better like thrask and anders are bad. Anders has the right intention which is to let mages have freedom like normal people but the way he excuted it was wrong. Threask have good intention of having a compromise between templars and mages but the plan backfired. 

Cullen did let one incident affect him. He was talking about it most of the time in the game. Again what was he doing when everything was going on? Nothing. He just stand there waiting for orders from meredith like a puppet 

I don't see you complaining about how anders is a puppet of the demon in his head, or thrask being nothing but graces puppet, and leading directly to more death than cullen did. All I see is you condemning cullen for doing what he thought was best and obeying the law. Not get a bunch of innocent people killed because he didn't get his easy sunshine and rainbows simple solution. 

Good intentions mean jack **** if you kill more people with your good intentions than someone with bad intentions and does nothing. I could have the best intentions when looking for a cure to cancer, but if I kill a bunch of people and don't find a cure, I would hope having good intentions wouldn't be enough to escape being in the wrong.

[Lord Raijin]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

And Raijin, take your bias, bigoted ass out of this thread now.

Are you trying to repress me simply because you do not like what I say here?

[Cainhurst Crow]

No actually. I just find your racist leanings against non-mages appalling and insulting to read.

[Lord Raijin]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Cullen is just another mage hating templar...just like his boss Meredith. Thats why he became Captain. Meredith coddled him.

So did you miss that entire sequence of events where he turns on Meredith?

So it took that long for him to recognize the severity of the situation? He could've done it prior.

[Johnny_TYS38]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I don't see you complaining about how anders is a puppet of the demon in his head, or thrask being nothing but graces puppet, and leading directly to more death than cullen did. All I see is you condemning cullen for doing what he thought was best and obeying the law. Not get a bunch of innocent people killed because he didn't get his easy sunshine and rainbows simple solution. 

Good intentions mean jack **** if you kill more people with your good intentions than someone with bad intentions and does nothing. I could have the best intentions when looking for a cure to cancer, but if I kill a bunch of people and don't find a cure, I would hope having good intentions wouldn't be enough to escape being in the wrong.

In the game, it was stated that justice and anders was one single entity. Anders was the one that turn justice to vengence so there was nothing about being a puppet. Thrask want to have those mages to trust him so he did not suspect them at all. Yes, it did backfire against him. I am not condemming cullen. I am trying to say that he just did nothing where everything was going on. Basically, a puppet waiting for orders in instead of helping with the situation .

So basically what you want is to leave everything as it is with the templars holding a tight leash on the mages. Mages forced to turn to deseperate measures. The situation will not change unless huge steps were taken, it is not like mages will not get discrimated or suspected out of nowhere, something must happen to cause that to happen 

Modifié par Johnny_TYS38, 13 octobre 2013 - 10:22 .

[d-boy15]

Cullen? Mage hating? lol

I guess someone never played female mage in DA:O.

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...
the game, it was stated that justice and anders was one single entity. Anders was the one that turn justice to vengence so there was nothing about being a puppet. 

Only in friendship. in rival, he blame everything he did on justice. Anders can't control himself in rival too.

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

So basically what you want is to leave everything as it is with the templars holding a tight leash on the mages. Mages forced to turn to deseperate measures. The situation will not change unless huge steps were taken, it is not like mages will not get discrimated or suspected out of nowhere, something must happen to cause that to happen 

Deseperate measures is not an excuse to kill people or drag other of you kind to your personal war...

Modifié par d-boy15, 13 octobre 2013 - 10:31 .

[Lord Raijin]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

No actually. I just find your racist leanings against non-mages appalling and insulting to read.

So now I'm a racist huh? That's funny because I never had any beef with non-mages. In fact I'm a huge fan of King Alistair; a former Templar.

And I can't seem to explain it, but I happen to find myself liking such charecters like Knight-Commander Greagoir. I suppose the reason is that he treats First Enchanter Irving with mutral respect whereas Meredith treats Orsino like ****.

[Xilizhra]

I don't see you complaining about how anders is a puppet of the demon in his head, or thrask being nothing but graces puppet, and leading directly to more death than cullen did. All I see is you condemning cullen for doing what he thought was best and obeying the law. Not get a bunch of innocent people killed because he didn't get his easy sunshine and rainbows simple solution.

No, Cullen just willingly, actively, participated in genocide. So much better.

And Thrask was driven by too much desperation to think things through all that well, which is unfortunate... and I wouldn't say he's the right person for the knight-captain job, because it's inherently ignoble and as it stands now, no one should have it.

And Raijin, take your bias, bigoted ass out of this thread now.

Lulz. It's Raijin you're attacking for being bigoted, when there's like ten people worse on the templar side you haven't yelled at?

[Johnny_TYS38]

d-boy15 wrote...

Cullen? Mage hating? lol

I guess someone never played female mage in DA:O.

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...
the game, it was stated that justice and anders was one single entity. Anders was the one that turn justice to vengence so there was nothing about being a puppet. 

Only in friendship. in rival, he blame everything he did on justice. Anders can't control himself in rival too.

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

So basically what you want is to leave everything as it is with the templars holding a tight leash on the mages. Mages forced to turn to deseperate measures. The situation will not change unless huge steps were taken, it is not like mages will not get discrimated or suspected out of nowhere, something must happen to cause that to happen 

Deseperate measures is not an excuse to kill people or drag other of you kind to your personal war...

Then why does templars have the right to treat mages like criminals and discriminate them?

[Chanda]

Oh good lord. How does a thread about the Amells being Mary Sues degrade into a Cullen-bashing thread? It seems like over half of the threads on the forum turn into a mages vs. templars thing.

Back on topic.

Bella Swan from Twilight is the perfect example of what a Mary Sue is. It's just sooo hard to be sooo popular, right? New girl in school, everyone loves her right away and wants to date her and be her best friend. Vampires long for her, werewolves drool over her... Blah blah blah. How does the Amell family relate to that? (Not vampires and werewolves, but you know...) How are they Mary Sues, exactly?

[Xilizhra]

Oh good lord. How does a thread about the Amells being Mary Sues degrade into a Cullen-bashing thread? It seems like over half of the threads on the forum turn into a mages vs. templars thing.

There's a difference between bashing and legitimate criticism, and noting his participation in the Annulment, among other things, is the latter.

[Boycott Bioware]

Cullen hatred on mages is come from his shame, he have feeling toward Solona Amell, he feel shame because of it, then when Uldred berserk, he use that excuse to erase his feeling about Solona Amell, he lie to himself and use hatred to cover up

For me, Cullen cannot be trusted because of that, he seek justification to cover his own shame having a feeling toward a mage

If we spared Alain, Cullen will say that Alain was one of the Blood Mages just changing his heart last minute, the same like him in the end when he turn on Meredith

Cullen also threaten Hawke when he took away Bethany saying he spared Hawke from punishment for harboring dangerous Mage...he said that no matter what is Hawke response, why he need to say such?

[BlueMagitek]

Chanda wrote...

Oh good lord. How does a thread about the Amells being Mary Sues degrade into a Cullen-bashing thread? It seems like over half of the threads on the forum turn into a mages vs. templars thing.

Back on topic.

Bella Swan from Twilight is the perfect example of what a Mary Sue is. It's just sooo hard to be sooo popular, right? New girl in school, everyone loves her right away and wants to date her and be her best friend. Vampires long for her, werewolves drool over her... Blah blah blah. How does the Amell family relate to that? (Not vampires and werewolves, but you know...) How are they Mary Sues, exactly?

As many have noted, it's not so much that the Amell family is full of all powerful deities cloaked in the flesh of Man so much as that they don't want the Amell family to be a part of every story in Dragon Age.

[khariuade]

I LOVE THE AMELLS!

[The Elder King]

@Qistina: Cullen's 'hatred' on mages isn't caused by his shame for the feelings for the female mage. He didn't use Uldred as a excuse, the latter is the reason why Cullen 'hates' mages and magic. He was tortured, both physically and mentally, for weeks. He watched mages and templars di
dying, becoming plaything for demons or abominations. That's the reason he (regardless if people think it justifies his stance) Cullen hates and fears magic.
You're assuming that in every possible playthrough a female mage Warden exists (you're even going further with claiming is an Amell, when she could be an elf). The female mage Warden doesn't exist if you play as a male mage, so your fanfiction is wrong. Cullen's feelings had nothing to do with his stance on magic and mages, both the one before TBC quest, and the one after TBC quest.

Modifié par hhh89, 13 octobre 2013 - 01:27 .

[d-boy15]

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

Then why does templars have the right to treat mages like criminals and discriminate them?

They didn't but again, that doesn't make any mages a right to pratice blood magic and sacrifice people, hide
a serial killer, blow up building or drag all of mages in Thedas to war.

Qistina wrote...
Cullen hatred on mages is come from his shame, he have feeling toward Solona Amell, he feel shame because of it, then when Uldred berserk, he use that excuse to erase his feeling about Solona Amell, he lie to himself and use hatred to cover up

Erase? that guys still fond of her... His hatred came from personal experienced that he was imprisoned by a mages
in the circle. He didn't show his shame when he mention about Amell to Hawke. 

Also, this only happen if your play as female circle mages.

Qistina wrote...
If we spared Alain, Cullen will say that Alain was one of the Blood Mages just changing his heart last minute, the same like him in the end when he turn on Meredith

And? He didn't be there when Alain change his side, why should he trust one of the rebel especially bloodmage.

Qistina wrote...

Cullen also threaten Hawke when he took away Bethany saying he spared Hawke from punishment for harboring dangerous Mage...he said that no matter what is Hawke response, why he need to say such?

Something to do with no matter what goods does Hawke respond to him, Hawke still violated Templar rules and
hide a mage in his/her protection?

Modifié par d-boy15, 13 octobre 2013 - 01:43 .

[Boycott Bioware]

@Qistina: Cullen's 'hatred' on mages isn't caused by his shame for the feelings for the female mage. He didn't use Uldred as a excuse, the latter is the reason why Cullen 'hates' mages and magic. He was tortured, both physically and mentally, for weeks. He watched mages and templars di
dying, becoming plaything for demons or abominations. That's the reason he (regardless if people think it justifies his stance) Cullen hates and fears magic.
You're assuming that in every possible playthrough a female mage Warden exists (you're even going further with claiming is an Amell, when she could be an elf). The female mage Warden doesn't exist if you play as a male mage, so your fanfiction is wrong. Cullen's feelings had nothing to do with his stance on magic.

Of course, but if play as Solona Amell you get an in sight on why he hate Mages by his dialogues, he said something about the Mages there toying with his mind and his shame, digging through his feeling about Solona Amell, he thought the Warden is an illusion making him say that

Afterward he realized it is not an illusion, and he cover it getting very mad because of the humiliation

[Barquiel]

hhh89 wrote...

@Qistina: Cullen's 'hatred' on mages isn't caused by his shame for the feelings for the female mage. He didn't use Uldred as a excuse, the latter is the reason why Cullen 'hates' mages and magic. He was tortured, both physically and mentally, for weeks. He watched mages and templars di
dying, becoming plaything for demons or abominations. That's the reason he (regardless if people think it justifies his stance) Cullen hates and fears magic.
You're assuming that in every possible playthrough a female mage Warden exists (you're even going further with claiming is an Amell, when she could be an elf). The female mage Warden doesn't exist if you play as a male mage, so your fanfiction is wrong. Cullen's feelings had nothing to do with his stance on magic and mages, both the one before TBC quest, and the one after TBC quest.

I agree, but that's exactly the reason why he should not be placed in any kind of command authority over mages after the events of DA:O.

[Johnny_TYS38]

d-boy15 wrote...

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...

Then why does templars have the right to treat mages like criminals and discriminate them?

They didn't but again, that doesn't make any mages a right to pratice blood magic and sacrifice people, hide
a serial killer, blow up building or drag all of mages in Thedas to war.

Then how do you explain those incident that happen in kirkwall where templars were threatening to turn mages into tranquil even when they pass their harrowing just for speaking out? Templars in kirkwall were the ones that cross the line first not the mages. 

Modifié par Johnny_TYS38, 13 octobre 2013 - 01:46 .

[MisterJB]

Barquiel wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Qistina: Cullen's 'hatred' on mages isn't caused by his shame for the feelings for the female mage. He didn't use Uldred as a excuse, the latter is the reason why Cullen 'hates' mages and magic. He was tortured, both physically and mentally, for weeks. He watched mages and templars di
dying, becoming plaything for demons or abominations. That's the reason he (regardless if people think it justifies his stance) Cullen hates and fears magic.
You're assuming that in every possible playthrough a female mage Warden exists (you're even going further with claiming is an Amell, when she could be an elf). The female mage Warden doesn't exist if you play as a male mage, so your fanfiction is wrong. Cullen's feelings had nothing to do with his stance on magic and mages, both the one before TBC quest, and the one after TBC quest.

I agree, but that's exactly the reason why he should not be placed in any kind of command authority over mages after the events of DA:O.

It seems to me that a Templar who realizes the danger mages pose both to themselves and others will be more suited to a position of authority than one who never has, like Thrask. These Templars understand why their duty is fundamental.
Of course, we shouldn't allow realistic caution turn into hate but no abuse can be attributed to Cullen beyond a few mean words. It's a fine line to walk.

[Xilizhra]

It seems to me that a Templar who realizes the danger mages pose both to themselves and others will be more suited to a position of authority than one who never has, like Thrask. These Templars understand why their duty is fundamental.
Of course, we shouldn't allow realistic caution turn into hate but no abuse can be attributed to Cullen beyond a few mean words. It's a fine line to walk.

Anyone can realize it. Having someone clearly afflicted by untreated PTSD in a command position strikes me as a poor choice, though it's better than putting someone clearly more unhinged than that in an even more powerful position...

[Lord Raijin]

Chanda wrote...

Oh good lord. How does a thread about the Amells being Mary Sues degrade into a Cullen-bashing thread? It seems like over half of the threads on the forum turn into a mages vs. templars thing.

Constructive criticism can often be misread as bashing, especially coming from a fan of a charecter thats being criticized.

Cullen is a perfect example of a charecter who fits to the description of a mary sue base on his physical design and irrelevantly.

In DAO (In the mage warden story) he was assign to be your executioner had you failed the Harrowing. During the Broken Circle quest he became rather foolishness. Yes I can understand that he was in emotional distresss, but isn't that part of the job? To handle these kind of situations? Cullen should've been mentally prepaired to handle these kind of task, especially slight in the fact that it is the Chantry that forces mages to act rebellious.

In DA2 he becomes a male version of Meredith, a mage hating templar just like his Commander.

I'm afraid what will become of Cullen in DA3. I sure hope he grows up.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 13 octobre 2013 - 01:55 .