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[d-boy15]

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...
Then how do you explain those incident that happen in kirkwall where templars were threatening to turn mages into tranquil even when they pass their harrowing just for speaking out? Templars in kirkwall were the ones that cross the line first not the mages. 

They didn't represent the order, even Meredith seem to disagree with their method (that's something...)
Ser Alrik operated all that with his little group.

No one knows who cross the line first, Karl (Anders friend or lover, whatever...) escape from the circle,
did that counted for cross the line? I'm sure we can argue who cross the line first for a day without any
proper answer but my point is, It's doesn't matter who cross the line first, you not have a right to commit
a crime just because other people pushed you to, mages or not. 

[MisterJB]

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...
Then how do you explain those incident that happen in kirkwall where templars were threatening to turn mages into tranquil even when they pass their harrowing just for speaking out? Templars in kirkwall were the ones that cross the line first not the mages. 

You don't really have the info to state that. I mean, if a blood mage killed the families of those templars, will it have been the mages who crossed the line first? And why would the actions of those mages means that the other mages have crossed any line?
Likewise, Alrik was turning (mostly) innocent mages into Tranquil and greatly abusing his power over the Tranquil. Does that mean the Kirkwall Templars as a whole crossed the line at that moment or only Alrik?
And since Anders destroyed the Chantry before Meredith called for the Right, that would mean the mages crossed the line first.

If we try to determine who started it, we can go back to the times of Tevinter before we are done.

[The Elder King]

@Qistina: it'd true that Uldred played with his feelings (among the other things he did to him). That doesn't mean that his stance post TBC is caused by the shame for his feelings. Being shamed for loving someone you shouldn't couldn't change a person's stance of a group as it happened with Cullen. Since he acts the same way regardless of the female mage Warden presence, it'd obvious that his change of stance towards mages is caused by what Uldred and his group did. His feelings were only an additional thing Uldred used to torture him.
By your logic, if Cullen has a more moderate stace on mages and magic in DAI, it wouldn't be becuase of what the templars did in Kirkwall on post-Asunder, but becuase he recognizes that eh shouldn't be shamed by loving a mage.

@Barquiel:  I doubt templars get fired because of those experiences, unless they became insane.

Modifié par hhh89, 13 octobre 2013 - 02:01 .

[Johnny_TYS38]

MisterJB wrote...

Johnny_TYS38 wrote...
Then how do you explain those incident that happen in kirkwall where templars were threatening to turn mages into tranquil even when they pass their harrowing just for speaking out? Templars in kirkwall were the ones that cross the line first not the mages. 

You don't really have the info to state that. I mean, if a blood mage killed the families of those templars, will it have been the mages who crossed the line first? And why would the actions of those mages means that the other mages have crossed any line?
Likewise, Alrik was turning (mostly) innocent mages into Tranquil and greatly abusing his power over the Tranquil. Does that mean the Kirkwall Templars as a whole crossed the line at that moment or only Alrik?
And since Anders destroyed the Chantry before Meredith called for the Right, that would mean the mages crossed the line first.

If we try to determine who started it, we can go back to the times of Tevinter before we are done.

When you take the paper about the tranquil solution and show it to cullen, he was kind of pushing for it to happen. Meredith did the same thing as well. She just assume that all the mages in the tower were using blood magic when clearly it was not the case. For Meredith, she was the knight commander and when people see such things happening, they will think that all templars are just like her.  

Modifié par Johnny_TYS38, 13 octobre 2013 - 02:11 .

[d-boy15]

Lord Raijin wrote...
In DAO (In the mage warden story) he was assign to be your executioner had you failed the Harrowing. During the Broken Circle quest he became rather foolishness. Yes I can understand that he was in emotional distresss, but isn't that part of the job? To handle these kind of situations? Cullen should've been mentally prepaired to handle these kind of task.

If the part of the job mean killing people who only deserve to die is because they not strong enough,
I'm sure it will cause a great emotional distress. Templar trained to combat mages but not heartless
like you try to think (well... some are but not all) 

Not to mention if your play as female mages, the person he assigned to kill is someone he has a crush
to. You expecting him to act "all in the days work..." in a situation like that?

Modifié par d-boy15, 13 octobre 2013 - 02:15 .