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[David7204]

Shepard and Liara and Jack are brave and compassionate and smart and beautiful. What more would you ask of a person?

And yes, if we value beauty (which we do) it must be considered as a factor.

Modifié par David7204, 12 octobre 2013 - 09:23 .

[David7204]

Yes, I made sure to specify that I'm only talking about Jack in ME 3. She certainly doesn't qualify in ME 2. However, she learns compassion.

[Lord Raijin]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Who would you consider to be perfect character in Dragon Age?

Sandal.

[Chanda]

Going back to the Amells, I'd hardly say they were perfect. At least not in the Dragon Age world. You have the Human Mage Amell from Origins, who can choose to help a blood mage escape the Circle, or to trick him, but either way he still escapes. Then you have Leandra's side of the Amell family. Because, frankly, Bethany, Carver and Hawke... Are Hawkes. Leandra ran off with an apostate mage to Ferelden. Leandra's brother is... Ewww. Leandra's parents... I'm not sure we know enough about them to say, but they weren't happy with their daughter's choices. And even if you do consider the Hawke children to be Amells, Bethany wasn't perfect, Carver was whiney and jealous, and Hawke is who you made him/her out to be.

[Lord Raijin]

Chanda wrote...

Going back to the Amells, I'd hardly say they were perfect. At least not in the Dragon Age world. You have the Human Mage Amell from Origins, who can choose to help a blood mage escape the Circle, or to trick him, but either way he still escapes. Then you have Leandra's side of the Amell family. Because, frankly, Bethany, Carver and Hawke... Are Hawkes. Leandra ran off with an apostate mage to Ferelden. Leandra's brother is... Ewww. Leandra's parents... I'm not sure we know enough about them to say, but they weren't happy with their daughter's choices. And even if you do consider the Hawke children to be Amells, Bethany wasn't perfect, Carver was whiney and jealous, and Hawke is who you made him/her out to be.

And thats exacly how I like it to be. Being perfect is boring and dull.

[Lotion Soronarr]

jnthn0584 wrote...
Agreed, I don't recall anyone complaining about Commander Shepard carrying three games, and that was all the same guy. And its still a far cry from the Skywalker clan, who has carried six movies and God know's how many books and video games.

And now you know why many poeple hate the Skywalkers

[Si-Shen]

Honestly the only dislike I ever saw pop up was more that there is a portion of the fan base that does not want the Amell's in every game. However I recall a post by David G saying that it is unlikely to see another one; it was a one-time cookie for those people that played a human-mage in Origins.

Note I am para-phrasing since I don't have a link to the thread anymore.

Edit - Found it!

http://social.biowar...3916/4#17275940

Modifié par Si-Shen, 12 octobre 2013 - 01:44 .

[Gwydden]

Frankly, I don't care whether they put another (optional) Amell in DAI, though I'd rather they didn't. The DA series is the telling of the history of an era, and it loses a lot of consistency if every major character is suddenly related.

I also don't understand why someone would be upset about the references to the family in DA2. The Amell in DAO was optional, only one out of seven choices. His last name was irrelevant until DA2, where he was mentioned a couple times in off-hand comments.

Also, if people call the Amells a Mary Sue family only because potentially two protagonists belong to it... those people don't know what a Mary Sue is.

[Angrywolves]

bah.
That whole Mary Sue stuff is garbage.
A lot of writers role play as characters in their books or stories .
If the writing is good who cares ?
Mary Sue is a convenient fiction to condemn characters in an rpg game players don't like.
Didn't like Tallis ?
She's a Mary Sue .
Didn't like Jessica Chobot being shoe horned into ME ?
It was a Mary Sue .
Now Tallis was badly written imo and Chobot was apparently put into the game to curry favor with her bosses back then. Bad decisions were made.
But they weren't Mary Sues.
As for Bioware , there's still a lot of animosity out there.
Some because some fans feel ME3s ending ruined the series for them and they will ALWAYS resent it.
While other fans virulently hate EA and anything associated with it.
Frankly I'm tired of the Mary Sue stuff .

[Angrywolves]

Your opinion Morrocco.
The most interesting man in the world ?
lol.

[Star fury]

Angrywolves wrote...

Your opinion Morrocco.
The most interesting man in the world ?
lol.

It's not only his opinion. Dare I say there is a consensus that Tallis is Mary Sue, discounting F. Day's fans and stalkers of course.

[In Exile]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Didn't like Tallis ?
She's a Mary Sue .

Tallis is a Mary Sue.

To add a bit more. She's also Felicia Day's self-insert.

Technically, that's part of what it means to be a Mary Sue.

[Magdalena11]

You know, Morocco Mole, you bring up an interesting point. I play RPGs because they're a nice change from real life. If someone's life is RPGs, what do they do?

[Angrywolves]

Don't know what that consensus means.
Fans voted EA the worst company in the world ?
Really?
Worst than banks that evicted people from their homes ?
Worse than companies that pollute the environment ?
That consensus the poster points to is meaningless imo.
What's a self insert
? Did Day sneak Gaider a pack of cigarettes so she could be in DA2.
Gaider was trying to quit smoking.
The self insert implies Day had some influence at Bioware to get them to create a role just for her.
I wonder how she did that ?
Heck, I have an idea for a role.
The phone's not ringing, long distance from Edmonton Alberta Canada.
shrugs.
Let someone explain to me how Day " self inserted " herself in.

[Zombie_Alexis]

ThunderfoxF wrote...

The Term Mary-sue has been so used and abused both here and in general people have lost the plot as to its true meaning, as you say.

It seems to stem from a feeling that the other origins haven't gotten as much attention as the Amells, So people are resentful of any further Amell development. Or thats how it seems to me.

This.

[Angrywolves]

The consensus claim came from somebody else mole.
Rdead before you post.
Redemption isn't MOTA.

[Star fury]

Morocco Mole wrote...
Felicia Day created, wrote, and starred in Dragon Age Redemption as, you guessed it, Tallis. The special snowflake qunari assassin. Then, they made an entire DLC that focused entirely on said character.

David Gaider also wrote that they presented her three story arcs of Tallis and Felicia Day chose the one she liked the most.

[Rawgrim]

Foshizzlin wrote...

Welcome to the world of fantasy storytelling, where every protagonist and their families are Mary Sues.

Notice any Mary-Sue characters in Game of Thrones?

[Solas]

David7204 wrote...

Yes. Many characters in Mass Effect. Shepard, Liara, Tali, Garrus, EDI, and Jack in ME 3. Maybe Joker as well.

Eh I'd define perfect as "without flaws" and Tali, Garrus, Jack and Joker (and my Shepard, but since Shepard is partly player-defined that's kind of irrelevant) definitely have flaws imo. Can't comment on Liara or EDI, not because I dislike them and think they're Mary-Sues, I just don't have an opinion on them.
note that I like all of those characters..

OP I think you're mistaking "I like/don't mind the Amells but would prefer it if the DA:I protag was not related to them for several reasons including that just being an Easter egg and Thedas being a big place" for hate.

Modifié par Carbon-based, 12 octobre 2013 - 04:30 .

[Angrywolves]

That's read mole.
I don't feel that way about Day.
I don't find her attractive .
And no I hope no one calls me sexist for being a heterosexual male, or attacks me for having my own preferences .
Was attacked in another thread for saying so.
So I don't have boners, as it were for video game characters or their voice actresses, although I have looked at pics of the DAO and DA2 VAs and yes some of them are beautiful imo
But I don't consider it proper/moral to have a purient interest in them.
Day isn't Scarlet Johassen, Esquire's Sexist Woman Alive, or Salma Hayek or Chalize Theron.
I consider them attractive, Day isn't as far as I'm concerned , bless her and her family.
This sentimental old fool actually wishes her well.
But if she was put in MOTA because Bioware thinks she's attractive and horny geeks would get MOTA just because she's in it, boy were they way off base with that.