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[Rawgrim]

Star fury wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...
Felicia Day created, wrote, and starred in Dragon Age Redemption as, you guessed it, Tallis. The special snowflake qunari assassin. Then, they made an entire DLC that focused entirely on said character.

David Gaider also wrote that they presented her three story arcs of Tallis and Felicia Day chose the one she liked the most.

The one where she completely takes charge of the story, and leaves Hawke as sidekick. She is also able to leap 70 through the air, from a stand still position. Mary Sue.

[Star fury]

Rawgrim wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...
Felicia Day created, wrote, and starred in Dragon Age Redemption as, you guessed it, Tallis. The special snowflake qunari assassin. Then, they made an entire DLC that focused entirely on said character.

David Gaider also wrote that they presented her three story arcs of Tallis and Felicia Day chose the one she liked the most.

The one where she completely takes charge of the story, and leaves Hawke as sidekick. She is also able to leap 70 through the air, from a stand still position. Mary Sue.

Pretty much.

[leaguer of one]

David7204 wrote...

Yes. Many characters in Mass Effect. Shepard, Liara, Tali, Garrus, EDI, and Jack in ME 3. Maybe Joker as well.

I think you need to take the time to understand the traits of a mary sue to start to call a character one...
http://tvtropes.org/...onMarySueTraits

[leaguer of one]

Rawgrim wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...
Felicia Day created, wrote, and starred in Dragon Age Redemption as, you guessed it, Tallis. The special snowflake qunari assassin. Then, they made an entire DLC that focused entirely on said character.

David Gaider also wrote that they presented her three story arcs of Tallis and Felicia Day chose the one she liked the most.

The one where she completely takes charge of the story, and leaves Hawke as sidekick. She is also able to leap 70 through the air, from a stand still position. Mary Sue.

How the hell is Hawk the side kick and that was not 70 feet through the air. She is not a mary sue.
Calling her a mary sue is like calling Kasumi a mary sue.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 12 octobre 2013 - 04:47 .

[Han Shot First]

Thedas is big place with plenty of room for heroes with diverse origins.

I see no need to bring back the Amells. Or at least, no need to introduce new Amells.

[The Six Path of Pain]

I don't hate the Amells but I do find them and their family history to be really boring. Anyway I can't speak for everyone but me personally I don't want the Dragon Age series to turn into some epic about how the Amell family went on to save Thedas.

[Han Shot First]

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

I don't hate the Amells but I do find them and their family history to be really boring. Anyway I can't speak for everyone but me personally I don't want the Dragon Age series to turn into some epic about how the Amell family went on to save Thedas.

Couslands > Amells

That is all.

[The Six Path of Pain]

Han Shot First wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

I don't hate the Amells but I do find them and their family history to be really boring. Anyway I can't speak for everyone but me personally I don't want the Dragon Age series to turn into some epic about how the Amell family went on to save Thedas.

Couslands > Amells

That is all. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie] 

I'm not religious but...Amen Brotha :innocent:

Modifié par The Six Path of Pain, 12 octobre 2013 - 05:02 .

[someguy1231]

David7204 wrote...

A Mary Sue is not just a perfect character.

It's a contrived and narratively dishonest perfect character. Which makes all the difference in the world.

Perfect characters (who aren't at all Mary Sues) are really quite common in fiction.

In my opinion, a "perfect" character is itself inherently "contrived and narratively dishonest", because there isn't a single person in the real world, past or present, who is completely without flaws/mistakes/errors in judgement/etc. You might say that I shouldn't judge fictional worlds the same way I do the real world, but "perfect" characters in fiction are even worse for me because they utterly kill any tension or drama for me.

[Barquiel]

I understand where some of the criticisms for Tallis come from...but she isn't a Mary Sue imo. She isn't endearing to the other companions (I had the impression none of the companions I used liked or wanted to help her). She isn't infallible. She is manipulative, conflicted in her ideals and it seemed she was trying to convince herself the Qun is something it simply isn't. This isn't really the type of behavior I associate with a Mary Sue.

[Iakus]

Hawke being related to the Amells was nothing more than an easter egg.

[Gwydden]

Morocco Mole wrote...
Much like how you keep bumping into people from Fereldan (and how basically every protag has to come from fereldan)

That's simply not true. As I stated somewhere else some time ago, only two of the seven posible backgrounds in Origins were from Ferelden (human noble and city elf).

[Iakus]

Gwydden wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...
Much like how you keep bumping into people from Fereldan (and how basically every protag has to come from fereldan)

That's simply not true. As I stated somewhere else some time ago, only two of the seven posible backgrounds in Origins were from Ferelden (human noble and city elf).

There is one other.

Suranis (the elf mage) was born in the Denerim alienage, according to conversations you can have.

[Angrywolves]

Maybe I should ask for links for this Gaider presented to Day story arcs and she chose one stuff.
So I can read it for myself.
Said I don't like asking for links/proof but.... Kind of tired of discussing it quite frankly.
The bottom line for me is MOTA was poorly writren.
Oh Amy Adams who was in the movie Enchanted, for example could have played Tallis and it still would have been a bad dlc imo.
Bioware is making a mistake if they choose a VA because a certain age group thinks they're hot right now.
Not a good reason to choose that person imo.
The Arnell's aren't a Mary Sue.
There's another thread where the Inquisitor names are discussed. The OP can go read it if he hasn't already.
No Arnells among them.
I doubt we'll see Arnells in DAI at all.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

It could be that Amell is a common last name, (like Smith or Jones), in the DA Universe. Also I can count the number of mages I've played in both DA:O and DA II and finished both games on hand and still have fingers left over. So it's not a big deal.

[Melca36]

I think this confession explains why alot of people are tired of seeing Amell and are glad they are  not the Inquisitor.

:wizard:

http://dragonageconf...adnt-made-hawke

[leaguer of one]

Angrywolves wrote...

Maybe I should ask for links for this Gaider presented to Day story arcs and she chose one stuff.
So I can read it for myself.
Said I don't like asking for links/proof but.... Kind of tired of discussing it quite frankly.
The bottom line for me is MOTA was poorly writren.
Oh Amy Adams who was in the movie Enchanted, for example could have played Tallis and it still would have been a bad dlc imo.
Bioware is making a mistake if they choose a VA because a certain age group thinks they're hot right now.
Not a good reason to choose that person imo.
The Arnell's aren't a Mary Sue.
There's another thread where the Inquisitor names are discussed. The OP can go read it if he hasn't already.
No Arnells among them.
I doubt we'll see Arnells in DAI at all.

Everything you just wrong just showed how bias you are. If you think it was badly written then it would not be good no matter who was the vo. And why does the Head write have to show you proof that he and the bw team did wrote it? He has no obligation to do any of that. He gains nothing by lying about it.

Added the only thing badly planned was it's ending choice.

[leaguer of one]

Gwydden wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...
Much like how you keep bumping into people from Fereldan (and how basically every protag has to come from fereldan)

That's simply not true. As I stated somewhere else some time ago, only two of the seven posible backgrounds in Origins were from Ferelden (human noble and city elf).

The human noble is not fereldin?

[Gwydden]

iakus wrote...

There is one other.

Suranis (the elf mage) was born in the Denerim alienage, according to conversations you can have.

I wasn't sure about that one, thanks. Still, the Surana Warden is a mage, so nationality is little more than a footnote in his/her biography,

[Gwydden]

leaguer of one wrote...

The human noble is not fereldin?

Yes, that's what I said. The human noble, the city elf and the elf mage were the only Fereldan origins in DAO. The dwarves were from Orzammar, the dalish is a dalish and the human mage is a Marcher.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Rawgrim wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...

Welcome to the world of fantasy storytelling, where every protagonist and their families are Mary Sues.

Notice any Mary-Sue characters in Game of Thrones?

Jon, Tyrion, Stannis, Daenerys, Varys, Ramsey.

My opinion IMO.

[Gwydden]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...

Welcome to the world of fantasy storytelling, where every protagonist and their families are Mary Sues.

Notice any Mary-Sue characters in Game of Thrones?

Jon, Tyrion, Stannis, Daenerys, Varys, Ramsey.

My opinion IMO.

I would leave it in Jon, Tyrion and Daenerys, but yes.