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[cjones91]

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

To call Hawke a failure is a bit ridiculous, given that even surviving for seven years through all of that crap, and keeping everyone else alive as well, is a major achievement. Sure, she couldn't fix everything herself like some other video game protagonists, but compared to the general population, she's remarkably impressive.

A crappy hero in a crappy city 

Being a hero is a lot harder when you can't just kill your problems like the Warden could. How do you kill a city that turns everything horrible? It's coming out of the very walls; you'd need to demolish the whole thing.

That's basically what Hawke did

I'm sure Hawke's kill count is higher than the Warden's when you add in all the trash mobs between acts.

[Xilizhra]

That's basically what Hawke did

If you think so, then it worked out.

But seriously, Hawke was never given a mission like the Warden or Shepard; Hawke's just trying to live their life. And for most of it, there aren't horrible crises going on; when they do hit, they tend to be sudden and not aimed directly at Hawke, so finding out about them will take time, which is frequently too much time.

[Mr.House]

Xilizhra wrote...

That's basically what Hawke did

If you think so, then it worked out.

But seriously, Hawke was never given a mission like the Warden or Shepard; Hawke's just trying to live their life. And for most of it, there aren't horrible crises going on; when they do hit, they tend to be sudden and not aimed directly at Hawke, so finding out about them will take time, which is frequently too much time.

So that Qunari atack was just a  good dream?

[Xilizhra]

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That's basically what Hawke did

If you think so, then it worked out.

But seriously, Hawke was never given a mission like the Warden or Shepard; Hawke's just trying to live their life. And for most of it, there aren't horrible crises going on; when they do hit, they tend to be sudden and not aimed directly at Hawke, so finding out about them will take time, which is frequently too much time.

So that Qunari atack was just a  good dream?

Note that I said "tend." Also note that there were three years of nothing much in between the Deep Roads expedition and serious problems with the qunari.

[Ianamus]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

To call Hawke a failure is a bit ridiculous, given that even surviving for seven years through all of that crap, and keeping everyone else alive as well, is a major achievement. Sure, she couldn't fix everything herself like some other video game protagonists, but compared to the general population, she's remarkably impressive.

Hawke is a failure

It depends on the Hawke. I don't see my hawke as a failure- they didn't care about the mages or Templars, they just wanted the four people in the city they actually cared about to survive and be happy. And they did, and seemed happy. So that's a success, I guess. 

Modifié par EJ107, 13 octobre 2013 - 01:25 .

[addiction21]

Am I the only person that sees the irony in complaining about how Hawke couldn't just fix all the problems in the world in a thread about Mary Sues?

[cjones91]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I think the world would generally be a better place if Hawke just stayed and helped Gamlen's rent instead of the family being a bunch of ungrateful moochers.

Hawke and Carver/Bethany were working for a full year to help pay their debts to Gamlen.

[Xilizhra]

cjones91 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I think the world would generally be a better place if Hawke just stayed and helped Gamlen's rent instead of the family being a bunch of ungrateful moochers.

Hawke and Carver/Bethany were working for a full year to help pay their debts to Gamlen.

Additionally, Gamlen was a lying thief, and owed them all far more than any unpaid rent would cover.

[Xilizhra]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Gamlen was honestly within his rights to use the fortune however he chose. Since none of the Hawke's were ever going to come back to Kirkwall anyway

And this situation proved exactly why you shouldn't just assume things like that if you're legally in the wrong. He's lucky we didn't throw him in front of the seneschal after the Deep Roads expedition.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Gamlen was honestly within his rights to use the fortune however he chose. Since none of the Hawke's were ever going to come back to Kirkwall anyway

Doesn't stop him from being an ****. He may have some justification for being an ****, but an **** is an ****.

[cjones91]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Gamlen was honestly within his rights to use the fortune however he chose. Since none of the Hawke's were ever going to come back to Kirkwall anyway.

Additonally, he now has three people and a dog now living in his house not paying for anything after that one year.  And is treated like a pariah despite opening it up to them when he didn't have to.

He practically stole Leandra's part of the family fortune after blowing his on gambling.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Morocco Mole wrote...

He practically stole Leandra's part of the family fortune after blowing his on gambling.

And Leandra never had any intention of going back and claiming it

Does that matter? I really doubt his excuse of "I thought she wouldn't come back" and than lying about the contents of his families will and using the money for himself would hold up in a court of law.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 13 octobre 2013 - 01:42 .

[Shadow Fox]

Face of Evil wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Well....the Deep Roads was mostly Anders,Varric,Bartrand and blind luck.And Meredith and Orsino did most of the work in dealing with the Qunari.

lolwut 

How did Meredith and Orsino do most of the work dealing with the qunari? They provided a distraction while you dealt with the Arishok. Big effin' whoop. Technically, one of your party members could have done the same thing with some fireworks.

Anders and Bartrand only provided the maps to the Primeval Thaig. And while Varric was there for the whole journey, he quite frankly would have died if Hawke hadn't been there.

By that line of thinking, Flemeth is the true hero of Dragon Age: Origins, since she provided the Warden the treaties necessary to recruit the armies to defeat the darkspawn AND rescued the Warden from the Tower of Ishal. The rest of the game wouldn't be possible without her.

cjones91 wrote...

Hawke just happend to be at the right place at the right time.Also Corypheus isn't dead and is now roaming the world so Hawke screwed up on that one.

That's all most heroes are. Also, if and when Corypheus shows up again, then you can say he's alive. Until that day, all you have to prove he pulled off some body-swapping trick is some ominous music and some unusual syntax.

Oops forgot the fight starts in Lowtown not Hightown.You win.

Without Varric and Bartrand Hawke would still be a penniless bum begging for work in Hightown and without Anders they couldn't have found the Thiag in the first place.

That comparison would work if Flemeth had actively guided the Wardens in gathering allies and fought the bulk of the  Horde herself leaving The Warden to kill the Archdemon in a contained environment.

Now that isn't to say Hawke isn't a hero afterall they did do heroic things but he/she doesn't actively effect/impact/drive the plot like the Warden did.

Modifié par Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke, 13 octobre 2013 - 01:49 .

[cjones91]

Morocco Mole wrote...

He practically stole Leandra's part of the family fortune after blowing his on gambling.

And Leandra never had any intention of going back and claiming it

That's because she thought her parents hated her for running off with Malcolm,if Leandra knew the truth then she would have returned sooner.

[Xilizhra]

Hawke basically kills the Arishock and a couple of goons in a small contained room compared to Meredith and Orsino fighting the bulk of his forces outside.

This is absurd. Hawke cuts through a very sizable amount in Hightown; Meredith and Orsino only get the door guards of the keep itself out of the way. Also, Orsino and his squad got their butts kicked by the qunari and Meredith only had a dramatic entrance due to only needing to deal with a single saarebas.

Without Varric and Bartrand Hawke would still be a penniless bum begging for work in Hightown and without Anders they couldn't have found the Thiag in the first place.

And without Hawke, Anders would be dead and the Tethras expedition would have gone nowhere. Everyone needs everyone else.

[leaguer of one]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I think the world would generally be a better place if Hawke just stayed and helped Gamlen's rent instead of the family being a bunch of ungrateful moochers.

Nope. It would of been far worse.

[Shadow Fox]

Xilizhra wrote...

Hawke basically kills the Arishock and a couple of goons in a small contained room compared to Meredith and Orsino fighting the bulk of his forces outside.

This is absurd. Hawke cuts through a very sizable amount in Hightown; Meredith and Orsino only get the door guards of the keep itself out of the way. Also, Orsino and his squad got their butts kicked by the qunari and Meredith only had a dramatic entrance due to only needing to deal with a single saarebas.

Without Varric and Bartrand Hawke would still be a penniless bum begging for work in Hightown and without Anders they couldn't have found the Thiag in the first place.

And without Hawke, Anders would be dead and the Tethras expedition would have gone nowhere. Everyone needs everyone else.

Damn I forgot about that.^

Actually Anders would simply be stuck in his Clinic.

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

Without Varric and Bartrand Hawke would still be a penniless bum begging for work in Hightown and without Anders they couldn't have found the Thiag in the first place.

And without Hawke, Anders would be dead and the Tethras expedition would have gone nowhere. Everyone needs everyone else.

I wish,

The expedition would've picked up anyway without Hawke

[Shadow Fox]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Gamlen was honestly within his rights to use the fortune however he chose. Since none of the Hawke's were ever going to come back to Kirkwall anyway.

Additonally, he now has three people and a dog now living in his house not paying for anything after that one year.  And is treated like a pariah despite opening it up to them when he didn't have to.

Well to be fair Hawke can agree with him and actually Leandra was the moocher the Hawke siblings actually worked.