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[Xilizhra]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Gamlen was honestly within his rights to use the fortune however he chose. Since none of the Hawke's were ever going to come back to Kirkwall anyway.

Additonally, he now has three people and a dog now living in his house not paying for anything after that one year.  And is treated like a pariah despite opening it up to them when he didn't have to.

Well to be fair Hawke can agree with him and actually Leandra was the moocher the Hawke siblings actually worked.

Not to mention, again, that Gamlen is a lying thief who owes Leandra and her children much, much more than they could have possibly mooched.

[Shadow Fox]

Xilizhra wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Gamlen was honestly within his rights to use the fortune however he chose. Since none of the Hawke's were ever going to come back to Kirkwall anyway.

Additonally, he now has three people and a dog now living in his house not paying for anything after that one year.  And is treated like a pariah despite opening it up to them when he didn't have to.

Well to be fair Hawke can agree with him and actually Leandra was the moocher the Hawke siblings actually worked.

Not to mention, again, that Gamlen is a lying thief who owes Leandra and her children much, much more than they could have possibly mooched.

Well to be fair to Gamlen he assumed she wouldn't ever come back.

[Xilizhra]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Gamlen was honestly within his rights to use the fortune however he chose. Since none of the Hawke's were ever going to come back to Kirkwall anyway.

Additonally, he now has three people and a dog now living in his house not paying for anything after that one year.  And is treated like a pariah despite opening it up to them when he didn't have to.

Well to be fair Hawke can agree with him and actually Leandra was the moocher the Hawke siblings actually worked.

Not to mention, again, that Gamlen is a lying thief who owes Leandra and her children much, much more than they could have possibly mooched.

Well to be fair to Gamlen he assumed she wouldn't ever come back.

And while it's a phrase I hate, you know what they say about assumptions. He could have, say, written her a letter saying "If you're not using this, can I? Plzthx" or something to that effect.

[cjones91]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Gamlen was honestly within his rights to use the fortune however he chose. Since none of the Hawke's were ever going to come back to Kirkwall anyway.

Additonally, he now has three people and a dog now living in his house not paying for anything after that one year.  And is treated like a pariah despite opening it up to them when he didn't have to.

Well to be fair Hawke can agree with him and actually Leandra was the moocher the Hawke siblings actually worked.

Not to mention, again, that Gamlen is a lying thief who owes Leandra and her children much, much more than they could have possibly mooched.

Well to be fair to Gamlen he assumed she wouldn't ever come back.

And that justifies stealing her inheritance?

[Shadow Fox]

cjones91 wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Gamlen was honestly within his rights to use the fortune however he chose. Since none of the Hawke's were ever going to come back to Kirkwall anyway.

Additonally, he now has three people and a dog now living in his house not paying for anything after that one year.  And is treated like a pariah despite opening it up to them when he didn't have to.

Well to be fair Hawke can agree with him and actually Leandra was the moocher the Hawke siblings actually worked.

Not to mention, again, that Gamlen is a lying thief who owes Leandra and her children much, much more than they could have possibly mooched.

Well to be fair to Gamlen he assumed she wouldn't ever come back.

And that justifies stealing her inheritance?

Well he could have atleast written her about it.

[Ryzaki]

addiction21 wrote...

Am I the only person that sees the irony in complaining about how Hawke couldn't just fix all the problems in the world in a thread about Mary Sues?

Fair enough.

But Hawke can't even solve his/her own problems. Let alone outside ones. There's a middle ground between hypercompetent and incompetent. Neither are very good storytelling but the latter tends to be far more aggravating in a protagonist to me.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 octobre 2013 - 02:10 .

[Xilizhra]

Ryzaki wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Am I the only person that sees the irony in complaining about how Hawke couldn't just fix all the problems in the world in a thread about Mary Sues?

Fair enough.

But Hawke can't even solve his/her own problems. Let alone outside ones. There's a middle ground between hypercompetent and incompetent. Neither are very good storytelling but the latter tends to be far more aggravating in a protagonist to me.

This simply isn't true. There are quite a few problems Hawke solves, many of which weren't even really Hawke's responsibility to solve.

[Xilizhra]

Morocco Mole wrote...

And Hawke generally makes them worse

Only in the templar ending of the game.

[Gwydden]

Morocco Mole wrote...

For some reason I doubt mailing is very reliable in a medieval society

Mevmail and Knighoo were a very archaich versions. Lots of bugs and viruses. Statistics show that only 27% of sent mails arrived, some of them in the wrong destination. You have to cut them some slack.

Modifié par Gwydden, 13 octobre 2013 - 02:15 .

[Ryzaki]

Xilizhra wrote...
This simply isn't true. There are quite a few problems Hawke solves, many of which weren't even really Hawke's responsibility to solve.

Which problems do Hawke solves?

The Qunari? Meredith and Orsino were ready to take on the Arishok then and there. Heavy losses to be sure but he'd been killed.

[Gwydden]

Xilizhra wrote...
Only in the templar ending of the game.

In templar ending everyone, even Hawke, ends up better off than in mage ending. Am I missing something.

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

And Hawke generally makes them worse

Only in the templar ending of the game.

hahaha no

[Face of Evil]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Without Varric and Bartrand Hawke would still be a penniless bum begging for work in Hightown and without Anders they couldn't have found the Thiag in the first place.

And without Hawke, they never would have had the money to start the expedition. Again, Hawke did all the heavy lifting here; Anders and Bartrand only provided the research.

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

That comparison would work if Flemeth had actively guided the Wardens in gathering allies and fought the bulk of the  Horde herself leaving The Warden to kill the Archdemon in a contained environment.

But without Flemeth, the treaties would have been lost and the Warden would be dead at the Tower of Ishal. The darkspawn would have conquered Ferelden, as there would be no Wardens to slay the Archdemon.

If Hawke only got where he was because of Bartrand and Anders, then the Warden only defeated the Blight because of Flemeth. Really, she should be the true Hero of Ferelden, going by your logic.

Morocco Mole wrote...

For some reason I doubt mailing is very reliable in a medieval society

As Leandra was able to send Gamlen a letter saying they were coming to Kirkwall, I would say it's at least somewhat reliable.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 13 octobre 2013 - 02:19 .

[Ryzaki]

Morocco Mole wrote...

So all those mages I rescued and later went crazy and turned into bloodmages don't count?

Considering they'd probably been killed by templars (except maybe Tarohnne and co). Maybe? 

[Ryzaki]

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Only in the templar ending of the game.

In templar ending everyone, even Hawke, ends up better off than in mage ending. Am I missing something.

No you are not.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Morocco Mole wrote...

For some reason I doubt mailing is very reliable in a medieval society

Doesn't seem to be that way with the main character. Everyone and their mom seems to be able to send them mail just fine.

Mail service in thedas is a garunteed sign of mary sueism.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 13 octobre 2013 - 02:20 .

[Xilizhra]

He was kind of right since she didn't come back until she needed something, then arrived expecting the lavish lifestyle she left behind. "My children should be among the nobility! Not in indentured servitude." Well, Leandra, maybe you should have thought of that before you gave up your nobility. The girl who abandons the farm during sewing season loses the right to complain of a barren harvest when she come back just to reap.

Er, nobility was a nonissue back when their life was stable and not being shredded by darkspawn. Circumstances changed to the point where it became important.

Which problems do Hawke solves?

The Qunari? Meredith and Orsino were ready to take on the Arishok then and there. Heavy losses to be sure but he'd been killed.

That's a fair-sized assumption to make of their skills, and in any case, you're moving the goalposts from "solves problems" to "solves problems in a way no one else in the universe could." I mean, any Warden could have done what the PC did, it'd just mean "heavy losses" because of lost time.

But since you asked...
--Neutralizes various and sundry ****s around Kirkwall, such as Ser Alrik
--Cuts through the guard's corruption and sets Aveline up to lead it to glory
--Is the principle actor in finding a whole bunch of treasure
--Saves Merrill from being killed by Marethari
--Pulls Isabela out of several compromising situations
--Puts an end to Bartrand's house of horror after he goes crazy
--Successfully exorcises the same house later on
--Deals with a serial killer of elven children (unless you take the blatantly stupid option, but eh)

For instance.

In templar ending everyone, even Hawke, ends up better off than in mage ending. Am I missing something.

A moral compass, for starters.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 13 octobre 2013 - 02:21 .

[Gwydden]

Mage ending accomplishes nothing. Hawke doesn't save any mages, Orsino and Meredith making sure of that. All he does is screw a lof of people up (he and his companions included) and gives the mages some extra inspiration for their revolution.

Morality is a subjective thing.

[Mr.House]

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Only in the templar ending of the game.

In templar ending everyone, even Hawke, ends up better off than in mage ending. Am I missing something.

Shhhhh. Xils headcanon trumps what is told and showen in game.

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

In templar ending everyone, even Hawke, ends up better off than in mage ending. Am I missing something.

A moral compass, for starters.

Hahahaha