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[NeonFlux117]

The new Walters interview in complex was pretty depressing. But also amusing.

Oh BioFail, will you ever not fail to entertain this little robot.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Then how do you think someone who just watched a genocide of an entire species, and the death of a friend is going to react?

Judging by the reactions if you kill the geth, the death of a friend is all that matters. As such, they'll be sad, but move on because, well, what else can you do in this situation?

You can't compare the two situations

From what the game shows, you can. ME's squadmates are, thankfully, not like you.

Now really, personal attacks are uncalled for.

Garrus has an emotional investment in one race, and an ingrained distrust of another, he's also friends with tali, him just being completely nonchalant about their extermination isn't in character.

[Painaid]

Dubozz wrote...

When I finished the game I realized that ME3 has the worst ending I've ever experienced in the video game. I thought about good moments in the trilogy and how all of them have been ruined by this atrocity. That was pretty depressing.  

This.

To this day the ending still depresses me everytime I think about it. It's hard to even go back and replay a game, re-read a comic or novel. ME3's ending is the worst ending I've ever experienced from any game/book/comic I've ever read. Sadly, Mass Effect was quite possibly my favorite source of fiction before this atrocity too. These two polar opposites just eat me up inside.

I'm still drawn to Mass Effect on occasion as evidenced by my posting on this forum. I still have hope for the future. 

But god, BioWare really, really screwed up big time in ME3. 

I mean this with no ambivilance or disrespect, but whoever wrote the ending should truly be ashamed of themselves. It is a disservice to the entire franchise. 

Modifié par Painaid, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:08 .

[Xilizhra]

And him "getting past" it is OOC and pretty stuid IMO.

Believe it or not, not everyone is cool with genocidal machines watching their backs.

But should be with genocidal meatbags?

Garrus has an emotional investment in one race, and an ingrained distrust of another, he's also friends with tali, him just being completely nonchalant about their extermination isn't in character.

Stoic, not nonchalant.

[DeinonSlayer]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Then how do you think someone who just watched a genocide of an entire species, and the death of a friend is going to react?

Judging by the reactions if you kill the geth, the death of a friend is all that matters. As such, they'll be sad, but move on because, well, what else can you do in this situation?

You can't compare the two situations

From what the game shows, you can. ME's squadmates are, thankfully, not like you.

Now really, personal attacks are uncalled for.

Garrus has an emotional investment in one race, and an ingrained distrust of another, he's also friends with tali, him just being completely nonchalant about their extermination isn't in character.

At Shepard's bidding, no less.

This seems a more fitting reaction.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

And him "getting past" it is OOC and pretty stuid IMO.

Believe it or not, not everyone is cool with genocidal machines watching their backs.

But should be with genocidal meatbags?

Garrus has an emotional investment in one race, and an ingrained distrust of another, he's also friends with tali, him just being completely nonchalant about their extermination isn't in character.

Stoic, not nonchalant.

He has a connection with the quarians, he empathizes with them and their plight.  Whether that empathy is misplaced or not is another matter.  He has an emotional connection with them, not the geth.

Proof of his being stoic and not simply poorly written?

Modifié par Steelcan, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:12 .

[Xilizhra]

He has a connection with the quarians, he empathizes with them and their plight. Whether that empathy is misplaced or not is another matter. He has an emotional connection with them, not the geth.

Proof of his being stoic and not simply poorly written?

"Poorly written" has no in-universe meaning. This is why I've gone so far as to suggest that Shepard was badly hung over but not wanting to show it as an explanation for the dialogue in the opening scene (though credit for that idea goes to iOnlySignIn).

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

He has a connection with the quarians, he empathizes with them and their plight. Whether that empathy is misplaced or not is another matter. He has an emotional connection with them, not the geth.

Proof of his being stoic and not simply poorly written?

"Poorly written" has no in-universe meaning. This is why I've gone so far as to suggest that Shepard was badly hung over but not wanting to show it as an explanation for the dialogue in the opening scene (though credit for that idea goes to iOnlySignIn).

headcanon is not an acceptable answer

try again

[CynicalShep]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

At Shepard's bidding, no less.

This seems a more fitting reaction.

To be frank, Garrus always does Shepard's bidding when he's around, to the point of complete obedience. He might say he won't once or twice but he does. Ah well, the charm of being the lead character.

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

He has a connection with the quarians, he empathizes with them and their plight. Whether that empathy is misplaced or not is another matter. He has an emotional connection with them, not the geth.

Proof of his being stoic and not simply poorly written?

"Poorly written" has no in-universe meaning. This is why I've gone so far as to suggest that Shepard was badly hung over but not wanting to show it as an explanation for the dialogue in the opening scene (though credit for that idea goes to iOnlySignIn).

:mellow:

[NeonFlux117]

Painaid wrote...

Dubozz wrote...

When I finished the game I realized that ME3 has the worst ending I've ever experienced in the video game. I thought about good moments in the trilogy and how all of them have been ruined by this atrocity. That was pretty depressing.  

This.

To this day the ending still depresses me everytime I think about it. It's hard to even go back and replay a game, re-read a comic or novel. ME3's ending is the worst ending I've ever experienced from any game/book/comic I've ever read. Sadly, Mass Effect was quite possibly my favorite source of fiction before this atrocity too. These two polar opposites just eat me up inside.

I'm still drawn to Mass Effect on occasion as evidenced by my posting on this forum. I still have hope for the future. 

But god, BioWare really, really screwed up big time in ME3. 


I mean this with no ambivilance or disrespect, but whoever wrote the ending should truly be ashamed of themselves. It is a disservice to the entire franchise. 

Expect more of the same in the next Mass Effect game. Also, Walters and Hudson wrote the endings. They were "high level stuff" and had "artsitic integrity". 

So... Yeah. Scrubs are gonna scrub. Walters is the lead on the next game.... Yeah. 

Prepare youself. For it's arrival. :wizard:

BioWare screwed up alot in ME3. Most notably the endings. But they also forgot about Mass Effect 2 and also, and this is a big one. BioWare forgot that Mass Effect is an RPG, and also the narrative is suppose to be interactive and the decesions of the player are suppose to dictate the narrative.... 

You know, Player Agency and Choice. And an "interactive" storyline. 


Now, tell me. Are the endings indictive of these elements established in previous games??? 

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:20 .

[dreamgazer]

The angst and bitterness in this thread is incredible.

[David7204]

Quite. People say and do foolish things in such states.

[DeinonSlayer]

CynicalShep wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

At Shepard's bidding, no less.

This seems a more fitting reaction.

To be frank, Garrus always does Shepard's bidding when he's around, to the point of complete obedience. He might say he won't once or twice but he does. Ah well, the charm of being the lead character.

To the detriment of his character (not just his, to be fair). <_<

Then again, the inclusion of such a reaction would probably be more likely to make some people hate Garrus than question their own rote-paragon behavior.

Like I said before, Mordin takes a stand against Shepard, and I like him all the more for it. More of that from other cast members would have been a definite improvement.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:23 .

[CynicalShep]

dreamgazer wrote...

The angst and bitterness in this thread is incredible.

Got any popcorn left?

[Xilizhra]

To the detriment of his character (not just his, to be fair).

Then again, the inclusion of such a reaction would probably be more likely to make people hate Garrus than question their own rote-paragon behavior.

The Shadow Broker's dossier explicitly states that Garrus' leadership potential is stunted under Shepard's command, so it isn't like this has been ignored by canon.

[wolfhowwl]

Why would Garrus challenge Shepard in any way?

He's been a complete sycophant since ME2. 

Even if his mind could process objecting to Shepard he still wouldn't have the guts.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:24 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Xilizhra wrote...

To the detriment of his character (not just his, to be fair).

Then again, the inclusion of such a reaction would probably be more likely to make people hate Garrus than question their own rote-paragon behavior.

The Shadow Broker's dossier explicitly states that Garrus' leadership potential is stunted under Shepard's command, so it isn't like this has been ignored by canon.

And as I said, I'd think less of him for it.

Fortunately this is a scenario which has never happened in any of my playthroughs. Ignorance is bliss.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Quite. People say and do foolish things in such states.

Do you think Garrus's reaction to the quarian extinction was appropriate?

[Xilizhra]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

To the detriment of his character (not just his, to be fair).

Then again, the inclusion of such a reaction would probably be more likely to make people hate Garrus than question their own rote-paragon behavior.

The Shadow Broker's dossier explicitly states that Garrus' leadership potential is stunted under Shepard's command, so it isn't like this has been ignored by canon.

And as I said, I'd think less of him for it.

Fortunately this is a scenario which has never happened in any of my playthroughs. Ignorance is bliss.

Of course, the reaction of everyone who isn't EDI in the kill-the-geth ending reflects horrendously on them, so it's not helpful either unless you achieve peace.

[David7204]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

To the detriment of his character (not just his, to be fair). <_<

Then again, the inclusion of such a reaction would probably be more likely to make some people hate Garrus than question their own rote-paragon behavior.

This is suddenly an issue of 'rote-paragon' behavior? When the reality is the decisions that would ****** Garrus (and the crew in general) off are mostly renegade?

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

To the detriment of his character (not just his, to be fair).

Then again, the inclusion of such a reaction would probably be more likely to make people hate Garrus than question their own rote-paragon behavior.

The Shadow Broker's dossier explicitly states that Garrus' leadership potential is stunted under Shepard's command, so it isn't like this has been ignored by canon.

And as I said, I'd think less of him for it.

Fortunately this is a scenario which has never happened in any of my playthroughs. Ignorance is bliss.

Of course, the reaction of everyone who isn't EDI in the kill-the-geth ending reflects horrendously on them, so it's not helpful either unless you achieve peace.

Why?  No one on the crew has a history of sympathizing with the geth.

[NeonFlux117]

dreamgazer wrote...

The angst and bitterness in this thread is incredible.

Well, I mean, come on. Aren't games suppose to be better in each succession. Think about. 

Now this is just an opinion, But ME1 to ME2 was a big, big step up. As great as ME1 is, it is not near the quality of ME2. 

About player agency and choice and an "interactive storline". Think about the Suicide Mission in ME2. It's a masterpiece of what choice and consequence should be. It was the pinnacle of player agency of the series. 

Now play ME3.... 

Yeah. Something happened. 

You play an entire game in which you are getting EMS points and assets and yet in the final precipice of the series you never see these assets in affect. 

Dafuq is that??? 

It's lazy is what it is. 

Again, just an opinion. 

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

To the detriment of his character (not just his, to be fair). <_<

Then again, the inclusion of such a reaction would probably be more likely to make some people hate Garrus than question their own rote-paragon behavior.

This is suddenly an issue of 'rote-paragon' behavior? When the reality is the decisions that would ****** Garrus (and the crew in general) off are mostly renegade?

Picking the geth over the quarians is in the top right choice

[CynicalShep]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
To the detriment of his character (not just his, to be fair). <_<

Then again, the inclusion of such a reaction would probably be more likely to make some people hate Garrus than question their own rote-paragon behavior.

But that's also the reason most (not all) people liked him so much. He was either Garrus "Incredibly Cheesy One-liner" Vakarian or the bro/understudy that pretty much bows down to you from game one. Same applies to "the most popular LI", who became popular because hero-worship and shyness/innocence.

And you know my views on the Quarian/Geth debate but I do agree about the compulsive heroic paragoning - it needs to go away. That and companions who behave like pets also need to go.

Modifié par CynicalShep, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:29 .