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[Xilizhra]

Why? No one on the crew has a history of sympathizing with the geth.

And celebrating genocide is fiendish.

Picking the geth over the quarians is in the top right choice

Also doesn't give Paragon points.

[David7204]

CynicalShep wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
To the detriment of his character (not just his, to be fair). <_<

Then again, the inclusion of such a reaction would probably be more likely to make some people hate Garrus than question their own rote-paragon behavior.

But that's also the reason most (not all) people liked him so much. He was either Garrus "Incredibly Cheesy One-liner" Vakarian or the bro/understudy that pretty much bows down to you from game one. Same applies to "the most popular LI", who became popular because hero-worship and shyness/innocence.

And you know my views on the Quarian/Geth debate but I do agree about the compulsive heroic paragoning - it needs to go away. That and companions who behave like pets need to go.

That is entirely a load of laughable garbage.

[Seboist]

CynicalShep wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

At Shepard's bidding, no less.

This seems a more fitting reaction.

To be frank, Garrus always does Shepard's bidding when he's around, to the point of complete obedience. He might say he won't once or twice but he does. Ah well, the charm of being the lead character.

Bioware companions are usually sychophant oribiters of the PC. They're not characters as much as they are reflections of the player and a vehicle for power tripping.

I liked how back in ME1 Wrex throws a fit over Shepard releasing the Rachni Queen and right after the fact it's as if nothing ever happened. Nor did anything ever come of it in the sequels(where you can spare the Queen AGAIN).

Other such examples would be how in ME2 you can empower the Geth with the rewrite to which Tali says or does.... nothing. Then there's Zaeed whom after you ruin 20 years of his life and make him relive what traumitized him in the first place joins Shepard again like a whipped pup.

Epic character integrity.

[Xilizhra]

David7204 wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
To the detriment of his character (not just his, to be fair). <_<

Then again, the inclusion of such a reaction would probably be more likely to make some people hate Garrus than question their own rote-paragon behavior.

But that's also the reason most (not all) people liked him so much. He was either Garrus "Incredibly Cheesy One-liner" Vakarian or the bro/understudy that pretty much bows down to you from game one. Same applies to "the most popular LI", who became popular because hero-worship and shyness/innocence.

And you know my views on the Quarian/Geth debate but I do agree about the compulsive heroic paragoning - it needs to go away. That and companions who behave like pets need to go.

That is entirely a load of laughable garbage.

When you say things like this, it's generally helpful to say why. Could you elaborate?

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Why? No one on the crew has a history of sympathizing with the geth.

And celebrating genocide is fiendish.

Picking the geth over the quarians is in the top right choice

Also doesn't give Paragon points.

Why would they care?  As far as they know or care the geth were monsters, whether that is fair or not is irrelevant.

Are you familiar with conditioning behaviour?

[DeinonSlayer]

Xilizhra wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

To the detriment of his character (not just his, to be fair).

Then again, the inclusion of such a reaction would probably be more likely to make people hate Garrus than question their own rote-paragon behavior.

The Shadow Broker's dossier explicitly states that Garrus' leadership potential is stunted under Shepard's command, so it isn't like this has been ignored by canon.

And as I said, I'd think less of him for it.

Fortunately this is a scenario which has never happened in any of my playthroughs. Ignorance is bliss.

Of course, the reaction of everyone who isn't EDI in the kill-the-geth ending reflects horrendously on them, so it's not helpful either unless you achieve peace.

It's realistic given the circumstances. The Geth didn't exactly distance themselves from the heretics in the two years after Sovereign's attack, and did little to ingratiate themselves with the wider galaxy in the preceding centuries. The galaxy at large had every reason to see the Geth as hostile isolationists at best, and a Reaper proxy at worst. I don't see anyone crying for the Rachni Queen for the same reason.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:31 .

[CynicalShep]

Xilizhra wrote...

David7204 wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
To the detriment of his character (not just his, to be fair). <_<

Then again, the inclusion of such a reaction would probably be more likely to make some people hate Garrus than question their own rote-paragon behavior.

But that's also the reason most (not all) people liked him so much. He was either Garrus "Incredibly Cheesy One-liner" Vakarian or the bro/understudy that pretty much bows down to you from game one. Same applies to "the most popular LI", who became popular because hero-worship and shyness/innocence.

And you know my views on the Quarian/Geth debate but I do agree about the compulsive heroic paragoning - it needs to go away. That and companions who behave like pets need to go.

That is entirely a load of laughable garbage.

When you say things like this, it's generally helpful to say why. Could you elaborate?

Please, this is David. When he starts making sense there's a good chance his account got hacked. I'll tell you why: he loves heroism, paragon choices and Liara.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Why? No one on the crew has a history of sympathizing with the geth.

And celebrating genocide is fiendish.

Picking the geth over the quarians is in the top right choice

Also doesn't give Paragon points.

Why would they care?  As far as they know or care the geth were monsters, whether that is fair or not is irrelevant.

Are you familiar with conditioning behaviour?

Not relevant to Shepard or morality, and it's not compulsive Paragoning if it's not a Paragon choice.

[Xilizhra]

It's realistic given the circumstances. The Geth didn't exactly distance themselves from the heretics in the two years after Sovereign's attack, and did little to ingratiate themselves with the wider galaxy in the preceding centuries. The galaxy saw the Geth as hostile isolationists at best, and a Reaper proxy at worst. I don't see anyone crying for the Rachni Queen for the same reason.

They're wrong with the rachni queen too. It's not always easy wielding the blue torch.

Please, this is David. When he starts making sense there's a good chance his account got hacked. I'll tell you why: he loves heroism, paragon choices and Liara.

Well, so do I.

[David7204]

Seboist wrote...

Other such examples would be how in ME2 you can empower the Geth with the rewrite to which Tali says or does.... nothing. Then there's Zaeed whom after you ruin 20 years of his life and make him relive what traumitized him in the first place joins Shepard again like a whipped pup.

Epic character integrity.

It's interesting to you see continually shill your fantasies of ultra-badass Javik, ultra-badass whats-his-name from the Witcher, ultra-badass headcanon Shepard and then drop little gems like Zaeed being "forced to relived what traumitized him."

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Why? No one on the crew has a history of sympathizing with the geth.

And celebrating genocide is fiendish.

Picking the geth over the quarians is in the top right choice

Also doesn't give Paragon points.

Why would they care?  As far as they know or care the geth were monsters, whether that is fair or not is irrelevant.

Are you familiar with conditioning behaviour?

Not relevant to Shepard or morality, and it's not compulsive Paragoning if it's not a Paragon choice.

Its a paragon choice because it is in the slot where all paragon choices go.  Whether it awards morality points is irrelevant.  Or do you need flashing blue numbers to tell you you made the right choice?

[David7204]

Basic reasoning. The childishly simple fact that Jacob has nothing but good things and support for Shepard in ME 2? And yet he's nowhere near as popular as Garrus, who is somewhat confrontational towards Shepard on his mission and about Cerberus. The exact same can be said of Kelly, and yet she's an unpopular love interest.

It should be clear to anyone with an IQ above the single digits that players do not like characters because they agree with them.

Modifié par David7204, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:34 .

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Basic reasoning. The childishly simple fact that Jacob has nothing but good things and support for Shepard in ME 2? And yet he's nowhere near as popular as Garrus, who is somewhat confrontational towards Shepard on his mission and about Cerberus. The exact same can be said of Kelly, and yet she's an unpopular love interest.

She's also not a real love interest

[dreamgazer]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

You play an entire game in which you are getting EMS points and assets and yet in the final precipice of the series you never see these assets in affect. 

Beats the Turian Insignias, Matriarch Writings, and Salarian Artifacts that quite literally did noooooothing to the story.

But yes, they needed to be better represented and utilized.

[Cainhurst Crow]

That one time in the series garrus tried to purpose to tali, but ended up getting hit by the skycar at the last minute and got amnesia when he came out of his coma.

[Seboist]

David7204 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Other such examples would be how in ME2 you can empower the Geth with the rewrite to which Tali says or does.... nothing. Then there's Zaeed whom after you ruin 20 years of his life and make him relive what traumitized him in the first place joins Shepard again like a whipped pup.

Epic character integrity.

It's interesting to you see continually shill your fantasies of ultra-badass Javik, ultra-badass whats-his-name from the Witcher, ultra-badass headcanon Shepard and then drop little gems like Zaeed being "forced to relived what traumitized him."

Not as interesting as your imponent omega male raging against my posts whom you have no retort against I'm afraid.

[CynicalShep]

Xilizhra wrote...

Please, this is David. When he starts making sense there's a good chance his account got hacked. I'll tell you why: he loves heroism, paragon choices and Liara.

Well, so do I.

Well, that's certainly bad news. That being said, do you like them to the point you dismiss everything else as nonsense and stupidity?

[KaiserShep]

Xilizhra wrote...

And him "getting past" it is OOC and pretty stuid IMO.

Believe it or not, not everyone is cool with genocidal machines watching their backs.

But should be with genocidal meatbags?

It's reasonable to assume that  people won't be distrustful of the Quarians for wiping out the geth as opposed to the opposite. After all, there was no faction of Quarians that aligned with the reapers and attack the citadel. 

[Xilizhra]

Seboist wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Other such examples would be how in ME2 you can empower the Geth with the rewrite to which Tali says or does.... nothing. Then there's Zaeed whom after you ruin 20 years of his life and make him relive what traumitized him in the first place joins Shepard again like a whipped pup.

Epic character integrity.

It's interesting to you see continually shill your fantasies of ultra-badass Javik, ultra-badass whats-his-name from the Witcher, ultra-badass headcanon Shepard and then drop little gems like Zaeed being "forced to relived what traumitized him."

Not as interesting as your imponent omega male raging against my posts whom you have no retort against I'm afraid.

Well, all that needs to be said is that you're wrong there. Tali does express some concern over the rewrite thing, and Zaeed just needs to be brought back to his senses. He's a tough guy, he can handle it.

Well, that's certainly bad news. That being said, do you like them to
the point you dismiss everything else as nonsense and stupidity?

No, other LIs have many merits, and of course many people don't like women romantically and would never see anything appealing about Liara in that way anyway.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:36 .

[David7204]

David 7204 wrote....

Seboist wrote...

It's interesting to you see continually shill your fantasies of ultra-badass Javik, ultra-badass whats-his-name from the Witcher, ultra-badass headcanon Shepard and then drop little gems like Zaeed being "forced to relived what traumitized him."

Not as interesting as your imponent omega male raging against my posts whom you have no retort against I'm afraid.

Sorry. 'Omega male'?

Modifié par David7204, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:37 .

[Steelcan]

CynicalShep wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Please, this is David. When he starts making sense there's a good chance his account got hacked. I'll tell you why: he loves heroism, paragon choices and Liara.

Well, so do I.

Well, that's certainly bad news. That being said, do you like them to the point you dismiss everything else as nonsense and stupidity?

No she reserves that for anything pro-human

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Sorry. 'Omega male'?

Learn you Greek.

Its last in the heirarchy.  Opposite of the alpha

[David7204]

The 'heirarchy'?

[FlamingBoy]

Xilizhra wrote...

David7204 wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
To the detriment of his character (not just his, to be fair). <_<

Then again, the inclusion of such a reaction would probably be more likely to make some people hate Garrus than question their own rote-paragon behavior.

But that's also the reason most (not all) people liked him so much. He was either Garrus "Incredibly Cheesy One-liner" Vakarian or the bro/understudy that pretty much bows down to you from game one. Same applies to "the most popular LI", who became popular because hero-worship and shyness/innocence.

And you know my views on the Quarian/Geth debate but I do agree about the compulsive heroic paragoning - it needs to go away. That and companions who behave like pets need to go.

That is entirely a load of laughable garbage.

When you say things like this, it's generally helpful to say why. Could you elaborate?

By saying something like this it ultimately underminds what he says afterwards, it doesn't even matter if he can create a point that is concise simply because people will not take the point only the ad-hominen.

[NeonFlux117]

Go David Go!!!!

My dream, and yes Robots can dream, is that Sevial shows up and we get the thread BSN deserves, but not the one it needs right now......