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[DeinonSlayer]

Xilizhra wrote...

It's realistic given the circumstances. The Geth didn't exactly distance themselves from the heretics in the two years after Sovereign's attack, and did little to ingratiate themselves with the wider galaxy in the preceding centuries. The galaxy saw the Geth as hostile isolationists at best, and a Reaper proxy at worst. I don't see anyone crying for the Rachni Queen for the same reason.

They're wrong with the rachni queen too.

I'd rather not have a ship full of sycophants bobbing their heads at everything Shepard does. How dare they hold their own opinions.

It's not always easy wielding the blue torch.

It's situations like this where one has to use their own judgement on whether the "blue torch" is worth holding.

I vote no.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...


Well, all that needs to be said is that you're wrong there. Tali does express some concern over the rewrite thing,

She expresses mild indignation.  Thats it.

[Steelcan]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Go David Go!!!!

My dream, and yes Robots can dream, is that Sevial shows up and we get the thread BSN deserves, but not the one it needs right now......

And the triumphant return of his glorious majesty

The one and only

Auld Wulf

[Xilizhra]

I'd rather not have a ship full of sycophants bobbing their heads at everything Shepard does. How dare they hold their own opinions.

It makes things more interesting, but I'm not going to agree with them just because it's galactically popular.

It's situations like this where one has to use their own judgement on whether the "blue torch" is worth holding.

I vote no.

Yes, I know, you prefer genocide over peace.

She expresses mild indignation.  Thats it.

Either way, you're taking out the threat.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:39 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

And than there was that one time Anderson tried to expose dantius's child as being a product of incest and not the true heir, and got double crossed. Ended up being beheaded in another double cross and branded a traitor, all in front of his kid to.

[CynicalShep]

David7204 wrote...

Basic reasoning. The childishly simple fact that Jacob has nothing but good things and support for Shepard in ME 2? And yet he's nowhere near as popular as Garrus, who is somewhat confrontational towards Shepard on his mission and about Cerberus. The exact same can be said of Kelly, and yet she's an unpopular love interest.

It should be clear to anyone with an IQ above the single digits that players do not like characters because they agree with them.

What should be clear to people with an IQ above single digits is that most people like it when others agree with them or submit to them. I don't know what little fantasy world you live in if you think otherwise. Also, Liara was one of the 3LIs in the first game. She was available to both males and females AND she was a hero-worshipper unlike Ashley who was colder and less ready to jump on your d**k. Kelly is a glorified Microsoft Outlook with boobs, not a real squadmate. Jacob is Jacob (and even then he was romanced at least one by most of the female gamers I know).

Modifié par CynicalShep, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:41 .

[David7204]

That's the best you can do?

'Jacob is Jacob'?

Modifié par David7204, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:41 .

[NeonFlux117]

Steelcan wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Go David Go!!!!

My dream, and yes Robots can dream, is that Sevial shows up and we get the thread BSN deserves, but not the one it needs right now......

And the triumphant return of his glorious majesty

The one and only

Auld Wulf

That trio would be epic beyond epic.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

She expresses mild indignation.  Thats it.

Either way, you're taking out the threat.

Its not a threat, she doesn't do anything

[Xilizhra]

CynicalShep wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Basic reasoning. The childishly simple fact that Jacob has nothing but good things and support for Shepard in ME 2? And yet he's nowhere near as popular as Garrus, who is somewhat confrontational towards Shepard on his mission and about Cerberus. The exact same can be said of Kelly, and yet she's an unpopular love interest.

It should be clear to anyone with an IQ above the single digits that players do not like characters because they agree with them.

What should be clear to people with an IQ above single digits is that most people like it when others agree with them or submits to them. I don't know what little fantasy world you live in if you think otherwise. Also, Liara was one of the 3LIs in the first game. She was available to both males and females AND she was a hero-worshipper unlike Ashley who was colder and less ready to jump on your d**k. Kelly is a glorified Microsoft Outlook with boobs, not a real squadmate. Jacob is Jacob (and even then he was romanced at least one by most of the female gamers I know).

Yes, characters agreeing with the player is a contributing factor, but it's far from the only thing making them popular, as we can see with Jacob. And a lot of people had issues with Ashley for what was either specieism or bad writing making her look speciesist.

Its not a threat, she doesn't do anything

The threat being the heretic geth.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:43 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'd rather not have a ship full of sycophants bobbing their heads at everything Shepard does. How dare they hold their own opinions.

It makes things more interesting, but I'm not going to agree with them just because it's galactically popular.

Whether you agree with them or not is immaterial. What matters is that those different perspectives exist, and are given voice.

Xilizhra wrote...

It's situations like this where one has to use their own judgement on whether the "blue torch" is worth holding.

I vote no.

Yes, I know, you prefer genocide over peace.

I would have preferred that the peace situation play out differently than it did. But yeah - if I have to choose one or the other, in the scenario presented, I'll side with the Quarians every single time.

[FlamingBoy]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Go David Go!!!!

My dream, and yes Robots can dream, is that Sevial shows up and we get the thread BSN deserves, but not the one it needs right now......

And the triumphant return of his glorious majesty

The one and only

Auld Wulf

That trio would be epic beyond epic.

we could always bring in eterna5 and the old kotor effect 3, just to spice things up

[CynicalShep]

David7204 wrote...

That's the best you can do?

'Jacob is Jacob'?

I've never romanced jacob myself or had any interest in learning about it other than "the priiiize" and his cheating in ME3. And like I said, he was actually pretty popular with the ladies, as far as I know (ridiculous pick up lines nothwithstanding). 

[Xilizhra]

I would have preferred that the peace situation play out differently than it did. But yeah - if I have to choose one or the other, in the scenario presented, I'll side with the Quarians every single time.

And it's not Paragon to choose either side over the other, so the proverbial blue torch wasn't even an issue there. I was referring to valuing the lives of the rachni queen and the geth in general.

[NeonFlux117]

FlamingBoy wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Go David Go!!!!

My dream, and yes Robots can dream, is that Sevial shows up and we get the thread BSN deserves, but not the one it needs right now......

And the triumphant return of his glorious majesty

The one and only

Auld Wulf

That trio would be epic beyond epic.

we could always bring in eterna5 and the old kotor effect 3, just to spice things up

Now that's a Fab Five if I've ever heard one. Imagine if you will, the epicness of this. BSN would never be the same. 


This would change things.............. Forever. 

[David7204]

CynicalShep wrote...

David7204 wrote...

That's the best you can do?

'Jacob is Jacob'?

I've never romanced jacob myself or had any interest in learning about it other than "the priiiize" and his cheating in ME3. And like I said, he was actually pretty popular with the ladies, as far as I know (ridiculous pick up lines nothwithstanding). 

No. He wasn't.

Is it not clear how clumsy and ridiculous your supposed 'explanation' is?

Characters are not popular based on much they supposedly suck up to the player.

Modifié par David7204, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:47 .

[DeinonSlayer]

CynicalShep wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
To the detriment of his character (not just his, to be fair). <_<

Then again, the inclusion of such a reaction would probably be more likely to make some people hate Garrus than question their own rote-paragon behavior.

But that's also the reason most (not all) people liked him so much. He was either Garrus "Incredibly Cheesy One-liner" Vakarian or the bro/understudy that pretty much bows down to you from game one. Same applies to "the most popular LI", who became popular because hero-worship and shyness/innocence.

Mordin takes a stand - I don't see why Garrus couldn't have done the same. If you sided with the Quarians instead, I think there ought to have been a similar unavoidable argument with EDI.

CynicalShep wrote...

And you know my views on the Quarian/Geth debate but I do agree about the compulsive heroic paragoning - it needs to go away. That and companions who behave like pets need to go.

Agreed.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

I would have preferred that the peace situation play out differently than it did. But yeah - if I have to choose one or the other, in the scenario presented, I'll side with the Quarians every single time.

And it's not Paragon to choose either side over the other, so the proverbial blue torch wasn't even an issue there. I was referring to valuing the lives of the rachni queen and the geth in general.

If it wasn't "Paragon" why does it occupy the paragon slot?  Why isn't a left/right choice ala BDtS?

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I would have preferred that the peace situation play out differently than it did. But yeah - if I have to choose one or the other, in the scenario presented, I'll side with the Quarians every single time.

And it's not Paragon to choose either side over the other, so the proverbial blue torch wasn't even an issue there. I was referring to valuing the lives of the rachni queen and the geth in general.

If it wasn't "Paragon" why does it occupy the paragon slot?  Why isn't a left/right choice ala BDtS?

I don't think there's physically room on the dialogue wheel.

[DeinonSlayer]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I would have preferred that the peace situation play out differently than it did. But yeah - if I have to choose one or the other, in the scenario presented, I'll side with the Quarians every single time.

And it's not Paragon to choose either side over the other, so the proverbial blue torch wasn't even an issue there. I was referring to valuing the lives of the rachni queen and the geth in general.

If it wasn't "Paragon" why does it occupy the paragon slot?  Why isn't a left/right choice ala BDtS?

I don't think there's physically room on the dialogue wheel.

On Menae, there's a /O\\ wheel to choose who to send to repair the radio tower instead of a O< wheel. Both options are at the bottom.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Quite. People say and do foolish things in such states.

Do you think Garrus's reaction to the quarian extinction was appropriate?

What I've missed out on while writing the Quarian - Geth plot .... 

Honestly? Given the history that most of the crew had with the Geth and the Quarians, they were pretty mild.

Ashley's was the most appropriate. But if you really want to know what would have happened if one of my best friends had been one of my squadmates and I'd been Shepard and did that. I would have been greeted with a shotgun. ... Ashley w/ shotgun: "You killed Tali, you b****!"  -- she is a Spectre, and a Lt Cmdr.  And that's the end of Commander Shepard.

[wolfhowwl]

Depressing moments.

Noveria:

Perhaps this Queen was telling the truth, perhaps they really were different. But the Council and Krogan sent their people to die by the millions against the Rachni hordes and that could not be allowed to happen again. The risk was too great.

Project Overlord:

Shepard had seen the destructive power of the Geth armada as they battled the Citadel fleet, watched those soulless automatons scythe through Alliance Marines and C-Sec troops. Legion claimed that the true Geth were not hostile but his kind and ours are not the same, and conflict would be inevitable some day.

What is one life weighed against so many others. Although Shepard's conscience did not rest easy, if Gavin Archer's work could spare a a million mothers mourning the loss of a million sons it would all be worth it.

Tuchanka:

Although Wrex and Eve spoke of a brighter future for the Krogan, Shepard knew in her heart that they had already lost the battle for the future of the Krogan. The savage nature of violent Krogan would always win out. While they made empty promises of a reformed race, dozens of worlds burned. We needed Salarian support desperately.

It saddened Shepard to see her old friend Mordin consumed by guilt in the twilight years of his life, his judgement obscured by regret, tormented by his past correct decision. Anyone can strike down their enemies, it is far more difficult to stand up to your friends. Mordin was stopped before he could make a grave mistake.

Rannoch:

While Shepard admired Gerrell's courage, ruthlessness, and strong-arming of the other pathetic excuses of Admirals, he still had to go in the end.

The Geth V.I. made a better offer and that was how it had to be. It was sad watching the Migrant Fleet get smashed over their homeworld but they made their choices and Shepard had made hers.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:58 .

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I would have preferred that the peace situation play out differently than it did. But yeah - if I have to choose one or the other, in the scenario presented, I'll side with the Quarians every single time.

And it's not Paragon to choose either side over the other, so the proverbial blue torch wasn't even an issue there. I was referring to valuing the lives of the rachni queen and the geth in general.

If it wasn't "Paragon" why does it occupy the paragon slot?  Why isn't a left/right choice ala BDtS?

I don't think there's physically room on the dialogue wheel.

If the peace options aren't availible there is

[Xilizhra]

On Menae, there's a /O\\ wheel to choose who to send to repair the radio tower instead of a O< wheel. Both options are at the bottom.

That also doesn't have persuasion options.

And that's the end of Commander Shepard.

Um, no. Shepard's a significantly better fighter and has numerous cybernetic enhancements.

If the peace options aren't availible there is

And the "death" options are there even if you have peace, so the wheel has to be designed to fit them.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:51 .

[tevix]

David's nitpicks have become so bad I don't even know what he's trying to nitpick anymore.

If we bring back seival and auld wolf, we have to have birdsallsa as well.

I wanted to like jacob because he was the first character to have his own opinion, but I didn't like the general tone or reasoning I got from him. It was more him being a d--- just to be a d--- than having a legitamate reason to bite back at shepard.

In ME3 even though I used the renegade interrupt on vega during the opening, I immediately respected him and felt he was going to be fleshed out. Why? He gave shepard an honest no bull---- piece of his mind.