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[Tokenusername]

Ferocious Panda wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

I question your judgement on the what are the mechanics of the game, Panda, when you tell me that bypassing Hack objectives is "actually play[ing] the game how it was meant to be played".

You misinterpreted. I said that I like to stay inside the hack because it's fun to play the game how it was meant to be played.

Then I apologize for misunderstanding. Regardless however, I still ask by what determination are you saying that incendiary glitch is a mechanic of the game and no other "glitch" is?

[Cyonan]

Ferocious Panda wrote...
I don't know why you're still nitpicking about that "needing a crutch" line I said. I already said that I thought incendiary rounds were just as broken if not more broken.

Even if you know about incendiary glitching and plan on doing it, it's still not as bad because of the nature of the glitch. Intentional or not, it's a mechanic of the game.

Maxing characters is clearly cheating though, and there's no justification for it. You're just being silly now saying that it takes more strategy because you have more skill trees to choose from. Those are almost always straightforward, easy decisions. It's much harder when you have a limited number of points to spend.

And you can still use whatever ammo type you want on classes that can do the incendiary glitch. But completely removing one of the best ammo types in the game for 22 characters isn't fair at all.

Like it or not everything that went unfixed is a mechanic of this game now, intentional or not. This includes full specs.

I didn't say it took more strategy, I said that point allocation was pretty irrelevant to strategy(at least to mine) and that a full spec doesn't really reduce the amount of strategy in building a character, much less completely remove it.

While there are some evolutions which are a no brainer and there are some kits which point allocation can alter the play style while keeping it viable, I would side with evolutions having a more widespread effect.

You have things like Nova Half/Full Blast, Cloak Duration/Damage, rank 4 and 5 of Cluster Grenade, Fitness shields/health vs melee build, etc.

As I said before, IR is only the best ammo power because it is glitched. It's also fair to take it away if it makes them overpowered.

You act like not using IR on those kits will make them useless.

[Ferocious Panda]

Tokenusername wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

I
question your judgement on the what are the mechanics of the game,
Panda, when you tell me that bypassing Hack objectives is "actually
play[ing] the game how it was meant to be played".

You
misinterpreted. I said that I like to stay inside the hack because it's
fun to play the game how it was meant to be played.

Then I
apologize for misunderstanding. Regardless however, I still ask by what
determination are you saying that incendiary glitch is a mechanic of the
game and no other "glitch" is?

How is it not a mechanic of the game? It's been there since the start, people didn't even know about it for a while. It turns out, hey, combine fire with warp/incinerate/inferno grenades/flamer, and you do more damage. Just like how warp rounds do more damage to biotic primed targets. Just like how cluster grenades can do more damage to biotically primed targets, not just lifted things. Just how like biotic charge does more damage to frozen/chilled targets. Etc. Even though this combo may not have been intentional, and may be very overpowered, it is still a part of natural gameplay. The fact that you would have to make a conscious effort to avoid doing this glitch on a whole lot of characters says enough.

I don't believe for a second any of those people who were like, "whoops, maxed out all my powers accidentally" actually didn't know what they were doing.

Modifié par Ferocious Panda, 15 octobre 2013 - 04:56 .

[DHKany]

Ferocious Panda wrote...


How is it not a mechanic of the game? It's been there since the start, people didn't even know about it for a while. It turns out, hey, combine fire with warp/incinerate/inferno grenades/flamer, and you do more damage. Just like how warp rounds do more damage to biotic primed targets. Just like how cluster grenades can do more damage to biotically primed targets, not just lifted things. Just how like biotic charge does more damage to frozen/chilled targets. Etc. Even though this combo may not have been intentional, and may be very overpowered, it is still a part of natural gameplay. The fact that you would have to make a conscious effort to avoid doing this glitch on a whole lot of characters says enough.

I don't believe for a second any of those people who were like, "whoops, maxed out all my powers accidentally" actually didn't know what they were doing.

lolno. IIRC bioware even admitted that incendiary+fire DOT power effects weren't supposed to glitch out. 

Taking Incendiary with a Fire DOT power into a game is no more 'accidental' than 6/6/6/6/6 ing. 

[Ferocious Panda]

Cyonan wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...
I don't know why you're still nitpicking about that "needing a crutch" line I said. I already said that I thought incendiary rounds were just as broken if not more broken.

Even if you know about incendiary glitching and plan on doing it, it's still not as bad because of the nature of the glitch. Intentional or not, it's a mechanic of the game.

Maxing characters is clearly cheating though, and there's no justification for it. You're just being silly now saying that it takes more strategy because you have more skill trees to choose from. Those are almost always straightforward, easy decisions. It's much harder when you have a limited number of points to spend.

And you can still use whatever ammo type you want on classes that can do the incendiary glitch. But completely removing one of the best ammo types in the game for 22 characters isn't fair at all.

Like it or not everything that went unfixed is a mechanic of this game now, intentional or not. This includes full specs.

I didn't say it took more strategy, I said that point allocation was pretty irrelevant to strategy(at least to mine) and that a full spec doesn't really reduce the amount of strategy in building a character, much less completely remove it.

While there are some evolutions which are a no brainer and there are some kits which point allocation can alter the play style while keeping it viable, I would side with evolutions having a more widespread effect.

You have things like Nova Half/Full Blast, Cloak Duration/Damage, rank 4 and 5 of Cluster Grenade, Fitness shields/health vs melee build, etc.

As I said before, IR is only the best ammo power because it is glitched. It's also fair to take it away if it makes them overpowered.

You act like not using IR on those kits will make them useless.

So missile glitching is okay because it was never fixed? That makes no sense. Bioware even said that 6/6/6/6/6 characters were a bannable offense. Of course, nobody will ever get banned for it, but it's still a declaration that the glitch is wrong and not meant to be used.

Argue all you want over strategy, but 6/6/6/6/6 glitching is still unfair. Can incendiary glitching give a player even more of an advantage and be even more unfair? Sure. But as I stated before it's the nature of the glitch that makes it acceptable.

And Incendiary rounds would still be tied for best ammo power with armor piercing and warp rounds for the best ammo power in the game, even without glitches.

[Ferocious Panda]

DHKany wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...


How is it not a mechanic of the game? It's been there since the start, people didn't even know about it for a while. It turns out, hey, combine fire with warp/incinerate/inferno grenades/flamer, and you do more damage. Just like how warp rounds do more damage to biotic primed targets. Just like how cluster grenades can do more damage to biotically primed targets, not just lifted things. Just how like biotic charge does more damage to frozen/chilled targets. Etc. Even though this combo may not have been intentional, and may be very overpowered, it is still a part of natural gameplay. The fact that you would have to make a conscious effort to avoid doing this glitch on a whole lot of characters says enough.

I don't believe for a second any of those people who were like, "whoops, maxed out all my powers accidentally" actually didn't know what they were doing.

lolno. IIRC bioware even admitted that incendiary+fire DOT power effects weren't supposed to glitch out. 

Taking Incendiary with a Fire DOT power into a game is no more 'accidental' than 6/6/6/6/6 ing. 

They weren't supposed to, but they did. So what are you going to do, not use one of the best ammo types for 22 of the classes?

[Tokenusername]

Ferocious Panda wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

I still ask by what determination are you saying that incendiary glitch is a mechanic of the game and no other "glitch" is?

How is it not a mechanic of the game? It's been there since the start, people didn't even know about it for a while. It turns out, hey, combine fire with warp/incinerate/inferno grenades/flamer, and you do more damage. Just like how warp rounds do more damage to biotic primed targets. Just like how cluster grenades can do more damage to biotically primed targets, not just lifted things. Just how like biotic charge does more damage to frozen/chilled targets. Etc. Even though this combo may not have been intentional, and may be very overpowered, it is still a part of natural gameplay. The fact that you would have to make a conscious effort to avoid doing this glitch on a whole lot of characters says enough.

I don't believe for a second any of those people who were like, "whoops, maxed out all my powers accidentally" actually didn't know what they were doing.

You deflected my question. If you're going to say that because the potential to use Incendiary glitch existed since the start of the game, why is the missile glitch, which had the potential to be used at any time, not given the same consideration as a game mechanic?

[DHKany]

Ferocious Panda wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...


How is it not a mechanic of the game? It's been there since the start, people didn't even know about it for a while. It turns out, hey, combine fire with warp/incinerate/inferno grenades/flamer, and you do more damage. Just like how warp rounds do more damage to biotic primed targets. Just like how cluster grenades can do more damage to biotically primed targets, not just lifted things. Just how like biotic charge does more damage to frozen/chilled targets. Etc. Even though this combo may not have been intentional, and may be very overpowered, it is still a part of natural gameplay. The fact that you would have to make a conscious effort to avoid doing this glitch on a whole lot of characters says enough.

I don't believe for a second any of those people who were like, "whoops, maxed out all my powers accidentally" actually didn't know what they were doing.

lolno. IIRC bioware even admitted that incendiary+fire DOT power effects weren't supposed to glitch out. 

Taking Incendiary with a Fire DOT power into a game is no more 'accidental' than 6/6/6/6/6 ing. 

They weren't supposed to, but they did. So what are you going to do, not use one of the best ammo types for 22 of the classes?

No, but I'm not going go all denial-mode on people. 

[Cyonan]

Ferocious Panda wrote...

So missile glitching is okay because it was never fixed? That makes no sense. Bioware even said that 6/6/6/6/6 characters were a bannable offense. Of course, nobody will ever get banned for it, but it's still a declaration that the glitch is wrong and not meant to be used.

Argue all you want over strategy, but 6/6/6/6/6 glitching is still unfair. Can incendiary glitching give a player even more of an advantage and be even more unfair? Sure. But as I stated before it's the nature of the glitch that makes it acceptable.

And Incendiary rounds would still be tied for best ammo power with armor piercing and warp rounds for the best ammo power in the game, even without glitches.

I'm not of the belief that every mechanic okay to do in a public game. That's more up to the people in the game to decide if they're okay with it or not, similar to how back in my Counter-Strike days servers would not allow the AWP to be used.

In a private lobby, I couldn't really care less about what you do in there.

Full spec being 'unfair' is irrelevant as you already stated IR is unfair as well. As for the nature of the glitch, I don't believe for a second that people were like "whoops, used Reegar Carbine with Incendiary Rounds on my Warp kit accidentally" did not know what they were doing =P

Actually without glitches, Warp Rounds are better on the kits that have Warp because of the biotic damage. Incendiary Rounds are still strong because of armour damage and fire explosions.

My Incendiary Rounds have been modified to fix the glitches, so I have actually seen what they would like without them and used them.

[ANDYHUGFAN]

Ferocious Panda wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

Unacceptable = Missile Glitching, Aimbots
Acceptable = Everything else

Pretty much this. 

I made a thread explaining how I 6/6/6/6/6 glitched every kit I could and the only ones where it mattered was the Geth Trooper, the Collector Adept... And something else, I forget which one.

For instance... Typical Asari Huntress build is 6/6/6/5/3. A 6/6/6/6/6 Huntress has 10% more weapon damage, 200 more health/shields (still gets gated in one shot), and 15% better shield recharge delay. Hardly game breaking at all... And that example was par for the course. Juggy gets both turret and shield... Big whoop, Krolord gets both hammers, big whoop, Volus get full garbage fitness trees, etc. Etc. Etc. 

Some kits are so bad they deserve to be glitched... Like the SaboTurian.

The Shaman, Collector, Trooper, Juggernaut, Sabotuer, Talon, Hunter, and Valkyrie all get improved greatly. And the infiltrators turn super OP, way more than they already are. So unfair really. Even the ones I didn't list get a pretty nice boost to their effectiveness.

LOL. Looking at your N7 HQ, you glitched out ALL of your characters. No wonder you're defending this. You want to make it seem like it's not a big deal. If it really doesn't matter, then don't use the glitch.

LMAO, this guy (megabeast37215) has 22 characters! fully maxed out (6/6/6/6/6) and hasn't accomplished even one Platinum solo! But he goes around on this forum bragging like he's some kind of hardcore pro player like INVADERONE, heck yeah he even brings his bull**** to nearly every thread Caineghis make (and Caineghis is really a great gamer and a very good entertainer, I subscribed to his channel!) Smh, stop talking big and start acting big, you douchebag. 

[cato potato]

ANDYHUGFAN wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

Unacceptable = Missile Glitching, Aimbots
Acceptable = Everything else

Pretty much this. 

I made a thread explaining how I 6/6/6/6/6 glitched every kit I could and the only ones where it mattered was the Geth Trooper, the Collector Adept... And something else, I forget which one.

For instance... Typical Asari Huntress build is 6/6/6/5/3. A 6/6/6/6/6 Huntress has 10% more weapon damage, 200 more health/shields (still gets gated in one shot), and 15% better shield recharge delay. Hardly game breaking at all... And that example was par for the course. Juggy gets both turret and shield... Big whoop, Krolord gets both hammers, big whoop, Volus get full garbage fitness trees, etc. Etc. Etc. 

Some kits are so bad they deserve to be glitched... Like the SaboTurian.

The Shaman, Collector, Trooper, Juggernaut, Sabotuer, Talon, Hunter, and Valkyrie all get improved greatly. And the infiltrators turn super OP, way more than they already are. So unfair really. Even the ones I didn't list get a pretty nice boost to their effectiveness.

LOL. Looking at your N7 HQ, you glitched out ALL of your characters. No wonder you're defending this. You want to make it seem like it's not a big deal. If it really doesn't matter, then don't use the glitch.

LMAO, this guy (megabeast37215) has 22 characters! fully maxed out (6/6/6/6/6) and hasn't accomplished even one Platinum solo! But he goes around on this forum bragging like he's some kind of hardcore pro player like INVADERONE, heck yeah he even brings his bull**** to nearly every thread Caineghis make (and Caineghis is really a great gamer and a very good entertainer, I subscribed to his channel!) Smh, stop talking big and start acting big, you douchebag. 

Megabeast is actually one of the better posters on this site in my opinion (at least he was until every second post of his became a complaint about how bad this game is) and seems to be considered an extremely good player by those who have played wth him. Plat solos do not a great player make.

Modifié par cato_84, 15 octobre 2013 - 05:37 .

[Cyonan]

ANDYHUGFAN wrote...

LMAO, this guy (megabeast37215) has 22 characters! fully maxed out (6/6/6/6/6) and hasn't accomplished even one Platinum solo! But he goes around on this forum bragging like he's some kind of hardcore pro player like INVADERONE, heck yeah he even brings his bull**** to nearly every thread Caineghis make (and Caineghis is really a great gamer and a very good entertainer, I subscribed to his channel!) Smh, stop talking big and start acting big, you douchebag. 

I once solo'd Platinum using Morrigan

That's right. I used a Dragon Age Origins teammate to solo Mass Effect 3 Platinum.

[Ferocious Panda]

Why does incendiary glitching make the unfairness of the 6/6/6/6/6 builds irrelevant? Incendiary glitching is still just an exploit of poor calculations between two game elements, while 6/6/6/6/6ing is just straight up cheating. To activate the incendiary glitch, you just put on incendiary rounds. Totally acceptable game behavior. To do the 5x6 builds, you are intentionally going against how the game was designed to be played.

[rcolol]

MasterReefa wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

And Incendiary rounds would still be tied for best ammo power with armor piercing and warp rounds for the best ammo power in the game, even without glitches.

disruptor is the best ammo type

No, just Warp

[Cyonan]

Ferocious Panda wrote...

Why does incendiary glitching make the unfairness of the 6/6/6/6/6 builds irrelevant? Incendiary glitching is still just an exploit of poor calculations between two game elements, while 6/6/6/6/6ing is just straight up cheating. To activate the incendiary glitch, you just put on incendiary rounds. Totally acceptable game behavior. To do the 5x6 builds, you are intentionally going against how the game was designed to be played.

It's irrelevant because you said that Incendiary Rounds is also unfair. They're both unfair by your own words.

Either way, I've never known life to be fair anyway. It's not fair that the TGI has top notch survivability and damage output while my Turian Saboteur is fairly weak in both even with a full spec. 

but according to you, it's unfair for the TGI because the Saboteur is using a full spec.

To clarify, I am not talking about Incendiary Rounds doing 3x damage when stacked with itself. I am talking about stacking it with abilities to make it inherit defence modifiers so that it can deal damage to shields/barriers and massive amounts of damage to armour.

So no, you do not "just put on Incendiary Rounds".

[Tokenusername]

Ferocious Panda wrote...

Why does incendiary glitching make the unfairness of the 6/6/6/6/6 builds irrelevant? Incendiary glitching is still just an exploit of poor calculations between two game elements, while 6/6/6/6/6ing is just straight up cheating. To activate the incendiary glitch, you just put on incendiary rounds. Totally acceptable game behavior. To do the 5x6 builds, you are intentionally going against how the game was designed to be played.

All you have to do to get the 5x6 glitch is level up your characters. Totally acceptable behavior.

[rcolol]

ANDYHUGFAN wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

Unacceptable = Missile Glitching, Aimbots
Acceptable = Everything else

Pretty much this. 

I made a thread explaining how I 6/6/6/6/6 glitched every kit I could and the only ones where it mattered was the Geth Trooper, the Collector Adept... And something else, I forget which one.

For instance... Typical Asari Huntress build is 6/6/6/5/3. A 6/6/6/6/6 Huntress has 10% more weapon damage, 200 more health/shields (still gets gated in one shot), and 15% better shield recharge delay. Hardly game breaking at all... And that example was par for the course. Juggy gets both turret and shield... Big whoop, Krolord gets both hammers, big whoop, Volus get full garbage fitness trees, etc. Etc. Etc. 

Some kits are so bad they deserve to be glitched... Like the SaboTurian.

The Shaman, Collector, Trooper, Juggernaut, Sabotuer, Talon, Hunter, and Valkyrie all get improved greatly. And the infiltrators turn super OP, way more than they already are. So unfair really. Even the ones I didn't list get a pretty nice boost to their effectiveness.

LOL. Looking at your N7 HQ, you glitched out ALL of your characters. No wonder you're defending this. You want to make it seem like it's not a big deal. If it really doesn't matter, then don't use the glitch.

LMAO, this guy (megabeast37215) has 22 characters! fully maxed out (6/6/6/6/6) and hasn't accomplished even one Platinum solo! But he goes around on this forum bragging like he's some kind of hardcore pro player like INVADERONE, heck yeah he even brings his bull**** to nearly every thread Caineghis make (and Caineghis is really a great gamer and a very good entertainer, I subscribed to his channel!) Smh, stop talking big and start acting big, you douchebag. 

Mega is actually a very good player, though he's ****ing about this game a lot now

[Cyonan]

rcolol wrote...

MasterReefa wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

And Incendiary rounds would still be tied for best ammo power with armor piercing and warp rounds for the best ammo power in the game, even without glitches.

disruptor is the best ammo type

No, just Warp

Everybody knows that Explosive Rounds are the best ammo type.

Or was that just on my host? =P

[ANDYHUGFAN]

cato_84 wrote...

ANDYHUGFAN wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

Unacceptable = Missile Glitching, Aimbots
Acceptable = Everything else

Pretty much this. 

I made a thread explaining how I 6/6/6/6/6 glitched every kit I could and the only ones where it mattered was the Geth Trooper, the Collector Adept... And something else, I forget which one.

For instance... Typical Asari Huntress build is 6/6/6/5/3. A 6/6/6/6/6 Huntress has 10% more weapon damage, 200 more health/shields (still gets gated in one shot), and 15% better shield recharge delay. Hardly game breaking at all... And that example was par for the course. Juggy gets both turret and shield... Big whoop, Krolord gets both hammers, big whoop, Volus get full garbage fitness trees, etc. Etc. Etc. 

Some kits are so bad they deserve to be glitched... Like the SaboTurian.

The Shaman, Collector, Trooper, Juggernaut, Sabotuer, Talon, Hunter, and Valkyrie all get improved greatly. And the infiltrators turn super OP, way more than they already are. So unfair really. Even the ones I didn't list get a pretty nice boost to their effectiveness.

LOL. Looking at your N7 HQ, you glitched out ALL of your characters. No wonder you're defending this. You want to make it seem like it's not a big deal. If it really doesn't matter, then don't use the glitch.

LMAO, this guy (megabeast37215) has 22 characters! fully maxed out (6/6/6/6/6) and hasn't accomplished even one Platinum solo! But he goes around on this forum bragging like he's some kind of hardcore pro player like INVADERONE, heck yeah he even brings his bull**** to nearly every thread Caineghis make (and Caineghis is really a great gamer and a very good entertainer, I subscribed to his channel!) Smh, stop talking big and start acting big, you douchebag. 

Megabeast is actually one of the better posters on this site in my opinion (at least he was until every second post of his became a complaint about how bad this game is) and seems to be considered an extremely good player by those who have played wth him. Plat solos do not a great player make.

I like and respect you cato. But then answer me these two questions: why does an extremely good player need to use a cheap cheat like maxing 22 of his characters out 6/6/6/6/6?! And why does he have to belittle every thing Caineghis has done to entertain us subscribers (and Caineghis has done some excellent stuff, no doubt about his quality as a player and his talent to entertain people)?! I mean, that's strange dude. Also, I 100% agree with you cato, that accomplished a Platinum solo doesn't make one player better than another - but it's also strange to me how megabeast can belittle Caineghis for every Platinum solo he made while himself never has done it. If it's so ****ing easy like he's saying all the time on Caineghis threads, then why don't he just let some action follow after his words? 

Modifié par ANDYHUGFAN, 15 octobre 2013 - 05:52 .

[cato potato]

Tokenusername wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

Why does incendiary glitching make the unfairness of the 6/6/6/6/6 builds irrelevant? Incendiary glitching is still just an exploit of poor calculations between two game elements, while 6/6/6/6/6ing is just straight up cheating. To activate the incendiary glitch, you just put on incendiary rounds. Totally acceptable game behavior. To do the 5x6 builds, you are intentionally going against how the game was designed to be played.

All you have to do to get the 5x6 glitch is level up your characters. Totally acceptable behavior.

Not quite. You need to allocate all those extra points, something any experienced player is unlikely to do accidentally.

Modifié par cato_84, 15 octobre 2013 - 05:52 .

[Ziegrif]

Has this thread devolved into pointless bickering about reload canceling yet?

Or what are we bickering about now?

[ANDYHUGFAN]

cato_84 wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

Why does incendiary glitching make the unfairness of the 6/6/6/6/6 builds irrelevant? Incendiary glitching is still just an exploit of poor calculations between two game elements, while 6/6/6/6/6ing is just straight up cheating. To activate the incendiary glitch, you just put on incendiary rounds. Totally acceptable game behavior. To do the 5x6 builds, you are intentionally going against how the game was designed to be played.

All you have to do to get the 5x6 glitch is level up your characters. Totally acceptable behavior.

Not quite. You need to allocate all those extra points, something any experienced player is unlikely to do accidentally.

This exactly.

[Cyonan]

Ziegrif wrote...

Has this thread devolved into pointless bickering about reload canceling yet?

Or what are we bickering about now?

It's pointless bickering about full 6/6/6/6/6 specs vs Incendiary Glithcing.

I suspect that RCing is after that.

[Ferocious Panda]

Cyonan wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

Why does incendiary glitching make the unfairness of the 6/6/6/6/6 builds irrelevant? Incendiary glitching is still just an exploit of poor calculations between two game elements, while 6/6/6/6/6ing is just straight up cheating. To activate the incendiary glitch, you just put on incendiary rounds. Totally acceptable game behavior. To do the 5x6 builds, you are intentionally going against how the game was designed to be played.

It's irrelevant because you said that Incendiary Rounds is also unfair. They're both unfair by your own words.

Either way, I've never known life to be fair anyway. It's not fair that the TGI has top notch survivability and damage output while my Turian Saboteur is fairly weak in both even with a full spec. 

but according to you, it's unfair for the TGI because the Saboteur is using a full spec.

To clarify, I am not talking about Incendiary Rounds doing 3x damage when stacked with itself. I am talking about stacking it with abilities to make it inherit defence modifiers so that it can deal damage to shields/barriers and massive amounts of damage to armour.

So no, you do not "just put on Incendiary Rounds".

Obviously the glitch isn't going to be making the sabotuer better than the TGI, but what about your glitched sabotuer vs my non glitched sabotuer? What about your glitched TGI vs my non glitched TGI? That's unfair.

If we are both using a class with warp on the other hand, and I use incendiary rounds and you do not, I am merely just using the mechanics of the game to my favor.