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[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Cyonan wrote...
I once solo'd Platinum using Morrigan

That's right. I used a Dragon Age Origins teammate to solo Mass Effect 3 Platinum.

Is there video? O.o

[ANDYHUGFAN]

Ferocious Panda wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

Why does incendiary glitching make the unfairness of the 6/6/6/6/6 builds irrelevant? Incendiary glitching is still just an exploit of poor calculations between two game elements, while 6/6/6/6/6ing is just straight up cheating. To activate the incendiary glitch, you just put on incendiary rounds. Totally acceptable game behavior. To do the 5x6 builds, you are intentionally going against how the game was designed to be played.

It's irrelevant because you said that Incendiary Rounds is also unfair. They're both unfair by your own words.

Either way, I've never known life to be fair anyway. It's not fair that the TGI has top notch survivability and damage output while my Turian Saboteur is fairly weak in both even with a full spec. 

but according to you, it's unfair for the TGI because the Saboteur is using a full spec.

To clarify, I am not talking about Incendiary Rounds doing 3x damage when stacked with itself. I am talking about stacking it with abilities to make it inherit defence modifiers so that it can deal damage to shields/barriers and massive amounts of damage to armour.

So no, you do not "just put on Incendiary Rounds".

Obviously the glitch isn't going to be making the sabotuer better than the TGI, but what about your glitched sabotuer vs my non glitched sabotuer? What about your glitched TGI vs my non glitched TGI? That's unfair.

If we are both using a class with warp on the other hand, and I use incendiary rounds and you do not, I am merely just using the mechanics of the game to my favor.

QFT. I'm 100% with you on this subject panda.

Modifié par ANDYHUGFAN, 15 octobre 2013 - 06:00 .

[Paynezz]

IMO incendiary glitching is just as bad, if not worse than 6/6/6/6/6 glitch. By your arguments having extra shields (which isn't that important with the shield/health gate system) and slightly more damage from passives/powers isn't as bad as being able to 3x as much damage than intended with an ammo power, and being able to one-clip any boss in the game when it should usually take 3-4 clips with the lolreegar. But biower is also to blame for not even attempting to just bandaid these glitches, because even members of the community can fix the Incendiary stacking glitch, and I'm pretty sure that caratanoid could fix the 6/6/6/6/6 glitch.

Also incendiary stacking is just as intentional as using the 6/6/6/6/6 glitch tbh.

also 

Ferocious Panda wrote...

If we are both using a class with warp on the other hand, and I use incendiary rounds and you do not, I am merely just using the mechanics of the game to my favor.

 
Since when did we call glitches game mechanics? That pretty much just proved your point invalid

Modifié par Not Paynezz, 15 octobre 2013 - 06:02 .

[FromTheAlps]

Megabeast is one of the people who always **** about weapon and character xy beeing OP (e.g. Reegar Carbine), yet he uses the 5x6 glitch on already borderline overpowered characters like the Geth Trooper or TGI. What a hypocrite.

[Ferocious Panda]

ANDYHUGFAN wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

Why does incendiary glitching make the unfairness of the 6/6/6/6/6 builds irrelevant? Incendiary glitching is still just an exploit of poor calculations between two game elements, while 6/6/6/6/6ing is just straight up cheating. To activate the incendiary glitch, you just put on incendiary rounds. Totally acceptable game behavior. To do the 5x6 builds, you are intentionally going against how the game was designed to be played.

It's irrelevant because you said that Incendiary Rounds is also unfair. They're both unfair by your own words.

Either way, I've never known life to be fair anyway. It's not fair that the TGI has top notch survivability and damage output while my Turian Saboteur is fairly weak in both even with a full spec. 

but according to you, it's unfair for the TGI because the Saboteur is using a full spec.

To clarify, I am not talking about Incendiary Rounds doing 3x damage when stacked with itself. I am talking about stacking it with abilities to make it inherit defence modifiers so that it can deal damage to shields/barriers and massive amounts of damage to armour.

So no, you do not "just put on Incendiary Rounds".

Obviously the glitch isn't going to be making the sabotuer better than the TGI, but what about your glitched sabotuer vs my non glitched sabotuer? What about your glitched TGI vs my non glitched TGI? That's unfair.

If we are both using a class with warp on the other hand, and I use incendiary rounds and you do not, I am merely just using the mechanics of the game to my favor.

QFT. I'm 100% with you on this subject panda.

It's about time backup arrived.  I'm bout to go to sleep

[ANDYHUGFAN]

Ultner wrote...

Megabeast is one of the people who always **** about weapon and character xy beeing OP (e.g. Reegar Carbine), yet he uses the 5x6 glitch on already borderline overpowered characters like the Geth Trooper or TGI. What a hypocrite.

My opinion exactly.

[cato potato]

ANDYHUGFAN wrote...

cato_84 wrote...

ANDYHUGFAN wrote...

LMAO, this guy (megabeast37215) has 22 characters! fully maxed out (6/6/6/6/6) and hasn't accomplished even one Platinum solo! But he goes around on this forum bragging like he's some kind of hardcore pro player like INVADERONE, heck yeah he even brings his bull**** to nearly every thread Caineghis make (and Caineghis is really a great gamer and a very good entertainer, I subscribed to his channel!) Smh, stop talking big and start acting big, you douchebag. 

Megabeast is actually one of the better posters on this site in my opinion (at least he was until every second post of his became a complaint about how bad this game is) and seems to be considered an extremely good player by those who have played wth him. Plat solos do not a great player make.

I like and respect you cato. But then answer me these two questions: why does an extremely good player need to use a cheap cheat like maxing 22 of his characters out 6/6/6/6/6?! And why does he have to belittle every thing Caineghis has done to entertain us subscribers (and Caineghis has done some excellent stuff, no doubt about his quality as a player and his talent to entertain people)?! I mean, that's strange dude. Also, I 100% agree with you cato, that accomplished a Platinum solo doesn't make one player better than another - but it's also strange to me how megabeast can belittle Caineghis for every Platinum solo he made while himself never has done it. If it's so ****ing easy like he's saying all the time on Caineghis threads, then why don't he just let some action follow after his words? 

You'd have to ask Megabeast himself for a proper answer to those questions of course but I seem to remember he wrote on these forums a couple of months ago that he decided to glitch as many characters as he could as a kind of experiment to test just how much effect the glitch really had.

I agree Caineghis has done some really good stuff but I think it's fair to say that Megabeast isn't the only person who has issues with him. Caine just rubs people the wrong way sometimes.

Also, as an aside regarding the bolded part of your comment, are you aware of Caine's history regarding cheating?

[Cyonan]

Ferocious Panda wrote...

Obviously the glitch isn't going to be making the sabotuer better than the TGI, but what about your glitched sabotuer vs my non glitched sabotuer? What about your glitched TGI vs my non glitched TGI? That's unfair.

If we are both using a class with warp on the other hand, and I use incendiary rounds and you do not, I am merely just using the mechanics of the game to my favor.

In both cases one of us is getting an advantage via the use of a bug.

Incendiary Rounds are not special.

[Tokenusername]

cato_84 wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

Why does incendiary glitching make the unfairness of the 6/6/6/6/6 builds irrelevant? Incendiary glitching is still just an exploit of poor calculations between two game elements, while 6/6/6/6/6ing is just straight up cheating. To activate the incendiary glitch, you just put on incendiary rounds. Totally acceptable game behavior. To do the 5x6 builds, you are intentionally going against how the game was designed to be played.

All you have to do to get the 5x6 glitch is level up your characters. Totally acceptable behavior.

Not quite. You need to allocate all those extra points, something any experienced player is unlikely to do accidentally.

By extension you also have to take a kit with warp and use warp to get the Incendiary glitch to work.

The point is people actively seek out to perform both exploits. You can gain the extra points without try to get them, and you can combine warp/incendiary without intending to combine them (in a meaningful way such as the exploit). There is an equal amount of premeditation for intentionally using warp/incendiary for damage and spending the extra points.

Both of these can be done accidentally, but W/I being harder to detect doesn't make it more legitimate.

[FromTheAlps]

cato_84 wrote...

ANDYHUGFAN wrote...

cato_84 wrote...

ANDYHUGFAN wrote...

LMAO, this guy (megabeast37215) has 22 characters! fully maxed out (6/6/6/6/6) and hasn't accomplished even one Platinum solo! But he goes around on this forum bragging like he's some kind of hardcore pro player like INVADERONE, heck yeah he even brings his bull**** to nearly every thread Caineghis make (and Caineghis is really a great gamer and a very good entertainer, I subscribed to his channel!) Smh, stop talking big and start acting big, you douchebag. 

Megabeast is actually one of the better posters on this site in my opinion (at least he was until every second post of his became a complaint about how bad this game is) and seems to be considered an extremely good player by those who have played wth him. Plat solos do not a great player make.

I like and respect you cato. But then answer me these two questions: why does an extremely good player need to use a cheap cheat like maxing 22 of his characters out 6/6/6/6/6?! And why does he have to belittle every thing Caineghis has done to entertain us subscribers (and Caineghis has done some excellent stuff, no doubt about his quality as a player and his talent to entertain people)?! I mean, that's strange dude. Also, I 100% agree with you cato, that accomplished a Platinum solo doesn't make one player better than another - but it's also strange to me how megabeast can belittle Caineghis for every Platinum solo he made while himself never has done it. If it's so ****ing easy like he's saying all the time on Caineghis threads, then why don't he just let some action follow after his words? 

You'd have to ask Megabeast himself for a proper answer to those questions of course but I seem to remember he wrote on these forums a couple of months ago that he decided to glitch as many characters as he could as a kind of experiment to test just how much effect the glitch really had.

I agree Caineghis has done some really good stuff but I think it's fair to say that Megabeast isn't the only person who has issues with him. Caine just rubs people the wrong way sometimes.

Also, as an aside regarding the bolded part of your comment, are you aware of Caine's history regarding cheating?

Right. And then he forgot to promote.

[ANDYHUGFAN]

cato_84 wrote...

ANDYHUGFAN wrote...

cato_84 wrote...

ANDYHUGFAN wrote...

LMAO, this guy (megabeast37215) has 22 characters! fully maxed out (6/6/6/6/6) and hasn't accomplished even one Platinum solo! But he goes around on this forum bragging like he's some kind of hardcore pro player like INVADERONE, heck yeah he even brings his bull**** to nearly every thread Caineghis make (and Caineghis is really a great gamer and a very good entertainer, I subscribed to his channel!) Smh, stop talking big and start acting big, you douchebag. 

Megabeast is actually one of the better posters on this site in my opinion (at least he was until every second post of his became a complaint about how bad this game is) and seems to be considered an extremely good player by those who have played wth him. Plat solos do not a great player make.

I like and respect you cato. But then answer me these two questions: why does an extremely good player need to use a cheap cheat like maxing 22 of his characters out 6/6/6/6/6?! And why does he have to belittle every thing Caineghis has done to entertain us subscribers (and Caineghis has done some excellent stuff, no doubt about his quality as a player and his talent to entertain people)?! I mean, that's strange dude. Also, I 100% agree with you cato, that accomplished a Platinum solo doesn't make one player better than another - but it's also strange to me how megabeast can belittle Caineghis for every Platinum solo he made while himself never has done it. If it's so ****ing easy like he's saying all the time on Caineghis threads, then why don't he just let some action follow after his words? 

You'd have to ask Megabeast himself for a proper answer to those questions of course but I seem to remember he wrote on these forums a couple of months ago that he decided to glitch as many characters as he could as a kind of experiment to test just how much effect the glitch really had.

I agree Caineghis has done some really good stuff but I think it's fair to say that Megabeast isn't the only person who has issues with him. Caine just rubs people the wrong way sometimes.

Also, as an aside regarding the bolded part of your comment, are you aware of Caine's history regarding cheating?

I know that he was missile glitching and maybe some other things too, in the early days if you mean this. But seeing what hell of a great player he has become, I don't think he's doing this anymore. Yeah, Caineghis may not be the easiest person sometimes but then megabeast should argue about Caineghis character and not about his ability as a player - doesn't make sense to me.

Modifié par ANDYHUGFAN, 15 octobre 2013 - 06:15 .

[LiL Reapur]

OP no one has a say on whats acceptable and whats not, you need to understand that they are all glitches and all of them weren't supposed to be in the game in the first place. So incendiary chesseing is just as bad as missle glitching and vice versa but some people like me doesn't care and exploit some of the unacceptable glitches for pure entertainment. Also lol at you calling me the PC hacker race the other day when you don't even know me. /rant
P.S. No disrespect intended

[Paynezz]

ANDYHUGFAN wrote...

I know that he was missile glitching and maybe some other things too, in the early days if you mean this. But seeing what hell of a great player he has become, I don't think he's doing this anymore. Yeah, Caineghis may not be the easiest person sometimes but then megabeast should argue about Caineghis character and not about his ability as a player - doesn't make sense to me.

lolololololololololololololol

[cato potato]

Tokenusername wrote...

cato_84 wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

Why does incendiary glitching make the unfairness of the 6/6/6/6/6 builds irrelevant? Incendiary glitching is still just an exploit of poor calculations between two game elements, while 6/6/6/6/6ing is just straight up cheating. To activate the incendiary glitch, you just put on incendiary rounds. Totally acceptable game behavior. To do the 5x6 builds, you are intentionally going against how the game was designed to be played.

All you have to do to get the 5x6 glitch is level up your characters. Totally acceptable behavior.

Not quite. You need to allocate all those extra points, something any experienced player is unlikely to do accidentally.

By extension you also have to take a kit with warp and use warp to get the Incendiary glitch to work.

The point is people actively seek out to perform both exploits. You can gain the extra points without try to get them, and you can combine warp/incendiary without intending to combine them (in a meaningful way such as the exploit). There is an equal amount of premeditation for intentionally using warp/incendiary for damage and spending the extra points.

Both of these can be done accidentally, but W/I being harder to detect doesn't make it more legitimate.

I agree with you on that, but only if we're considering players who frequent BSN.
The average casual player will probably not have heard of the Incendiary ammo glitches and so might well use those combos inadvertently. However, even the most casual player surely knows you aren't supposed to be able to max every skill tree.

Modifié par cato_84, 15 octobre 2013 - 06:21 .

[ANDYHUGFAN]

Not Paynezz wrote...

ANDYHUGFAN wrote...

I know that he was missile glitching and maybe some other things too, in the early days if you mean this. But seeing what hell of a great player he has become, I don't think he's doing this anymore. Yeah, Caineghis may not be the easiest person sometimes but then megabeast should argue about Caineghis character and not about his ability as a player - doesn't make sense to me.

lolololololololololololololol

 
Can you do a Thunderdome solo with the Human Soldier using the GPR? 

[DHKany]

Ultner wrote...

Megabeast is one of the people who always **** about weapon and character xy beeing OP (e.g. Reegar Carbine), yet he uses the 5x6 glitch on already borderline overpowered characters like the Geth Trooper or TGI. What a hypocrite.

....except he's only done that recently because he got bored of this game....
from what I hear he is an incredibly good player, even without the glitching. 

Funny how you're trying to make mega look like an ****, but it actually is just backfiring. 

[DHKany]

ANDYHUGFAN wrote...

Not Paynezz wrote...

ANDYHUGFAN wrote...

I know that he was missile glitching and maybe some other things too, in the early days if you mean this. But seeing what hell of a great player he has become, I don't think he's doing this anymore. Yeah, Caineghis may not be the easiest person sometimes but then megabeast should argue about Caineghis character and not about his ability as a player - doesn't make sense to me.

lolololololololololololololol

 
Can you do a Thunderdome solo with the Human Soldier using the GPR? 

I'm pretty sure anyone can, given the right RNG and extreme amounts of patience, equipment and energy drinks. From what I've played it basically is just a kitefest anyways. 

[ANDYHUGFAN]

DHKany wrote...

ANDYHUGFAN wrote...

Not Paynezz wrote...

ANDYHUGFAN wrote...

I know that he was missile glitching and maybe some other things too, in the early days if you mean this. But seeing what hell of a great player he has become, I don't think he's doing this anymore. Yeah, Caineghis may not be the easiest person sometimes but then megabeast should argue about Caineghis character and not about his ability as a player - doesn't make sense to me.

lolololololololololololololol

 
Can you do a Thunderdome solo with the Human Soldier using the GPR? 

I'm pretty sure anyone can, given the right RNG and extreme amounts of patience, equipment and energy drinks. From what I've played it basically is just a kitefest anyways. 

 Then go ahead and do it. I would like to see it! 

[DHKany]

No, I'd rather not waste 70+ minutes of my life attempting an overdone, overhyped platinum solo.

[ANDYHUGFAN]

DHKany wrote...

No, I'd rather not waste 70+ minutes of my life attempting an overdone, overhyped platinum solo.

 :innocent:

[Ferocious Panda]

DHKany wrote...

Ultner wrote...

Megabeast is one of the people who always **** about weapon and character xy beeing OP (e.g. Reegar Carbine), yet he uses the 5x6 glitch on already borderline overpowered characters like the Geth Trooper or TGI. What a hypocrite.

....except he's only done that recently because he got bored of this game....
from what I hear he is an incredibly good player, even without the glitching. 

Funny how you're trying to make mega look like an ****, but it actually is just backfiring. 

No matter how good megabeast is, he's still a jerk. He used to be on my friends list, and every time I played with him he felt like he had the power to control everything. "Stand here and look at this spawn point while I run around and kill everything" is what he would say. He talked like he was all-knowing, and was extremely pretentious and arrogant. Then he removes me from his friend list because apparently he "couldn't stand my company." lol

Sorry mega if you read this but you've already made it clear how you feel about me.

[megabeast37215]

Ferocious Panda wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

Unacceptable = Missile Glitching, Aimbots
Acceptable = Everything else

Pretty much this. 

I made a thread explaining how I 6/6/6/6/6 glitched every kit I could and the only ones where it mattered was the Geth Trooper, the Collector Adept... And something else, I forget which one.

For instance... Typical Asari Huntress build is 6/6/6/5/3. A 6/6/6/6/6 Huntress has 10% more weapon damage, 200 more health/shields (still gets gated in one shot), and 15% better shield recharge delay. Hardly game breaking at all... And that example was par for the course. Juggy gets both turret and shield... Big whoop, Krolord gets both hammers, big whoop, Volus get full garbage fitness trees, etc. Etc. Etc. 

Some kits are so bad they deserve to be glitched... Like the SaboTurian.

The Shaman, Collector, Trooper, Juggernaut, Sabotuer, Talon, Hunter, and Valkyrie all get improved greatly. And the infiltrators turn super OP, way more than they already are. So unfair really. Even the ones I didn't list get a pretty nice boost to their effectiveness.

LOL. Looking at your N7 HQ, you glitched out ALL of your characters. No wonder you're defending this. You want to make it seem like it's not a big deal. If it really doesn't matter, then don't use the glitch.

Yeah... I did bc I wanted to see how much it rocked the boat. Most of the time, it didn't. It was an experiment... And the results were such that I didn't feel the need to promote or use respec cards since it didnt matter that much.

Let's take this case by case on the kits you pointed out: 

Vorcha Hunter? Really? My old build was 4/4 subnet and passives... so 15% more power damage, 10% more weapon damage and the last two ranks of subnet break the game... Then you defend incendiary glitching on the same kit, which doubles or triples the damage output? Hypocrite much Panda? Sheesh.

Valkyrie? Really? 6/6/6/5/3 with Cyclonic vs 6/6/6/6/6 with the same Cyclonic... 200 health/fitness, 15% recharge delay and 10% weapon damage... So gamebreaking... Then AGAIN you say it is fine to incendiary glitch the same kit, which doubles/triples damage output. Pure hypocrisy. It's not even the same... The incendiary glitch is FAR FAR more of a game changer than a few marginal percentages.

Collector, Trooper and Shaman... Yeah... I'll concede those... And a few others... But for the most part, you're wrong... It's not game breaking... Especially when it comes to the infiltrators. They are already sickly OP. Take the Ghost, I always went 4/4 or 5/3 in Stims and Fitness... It doesn't change him bc it's the fact that he has stimpacks in the first place that makes him OP. Giving him a few more shields to refresh and a whopping 8% more weapon damage for 6 seconds doesn't change a damn thing.

[Tokenusername]

cato_84 wrote...

even the most casual player surely knows you aren't supposed to be able to max every skill tree.

I'd disagree that "the most casual player" would know that they can't max everything. They might notice the difference, but not really question it as "unnatural". Even so, the 5x6 is not necessarily just maxing all skills (despite the name), it's acquiring more then 84 skill points. If someone made an unusual build like a 6/6/6/5/5,  they would not just be able to tell this does not add up to 84 points.

[cato potato]

Tokenusername wrote...

cato_84 wrote...

even the most casual player surely knows you aren't supposed to be able to max every skill tree.

I'd disagree that "the most casual player" would know that they can't max everything. They might notice the difference, but not really question it as "unnatural". Even so, the 5x6 is not necessarily just maxing all skills (despite the name), it's acquiring more then 84 skill points. If someone made an unusual build like a 6/6/6/5/5,  they would not just be able to tell this does not add up to 84 points.

We'll need to agree to disagree on that I suppose.

Regarding the player making an unusual build like 66655 and not realising, that's a fair point.

[LiL Reapur]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Ferocious Panda wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

Unacceptable = Missile Glitching, Aimbots
Acceptable = Everything else

Pretty much this. 

I made a thread explaining how I 6/6/6/6/6 glitched every kit I could and the only ones where it mattered was the Geth Trooper, the Collector Adept... And something else, I forget which one.

For instance... Typical Asari Huntress build is 6/6/6/5/3. A 6/6/6/6/6 Huntress has 10% more weapon damage, 200 more health/shields (still gets gated in one shot), and 15% better shield recharge delay. Hardly game breaking at all... And that example was par for the course. Juggy gets both turret and shield... Big whoop, Krolord gets both hammers, big whoop, Volus get full garbage fitness trees, etc. Etc. Etc. 

Some kits are so bad they deserve to be glitched... Like the SaboTurian.

The Shaman, Collector, Trooper, Juggernaut, Sabotuer, Talon, Hunter, and Valkyrie all get improved greatly. And the infiltrators turn super OP, way more than they already are. So unfair really. Even the ones I didn't list get a pretty nice boost to their effectiveness.

LOL. Looking at your N7 HQ, you glitched out ALL of your characters. No wonder you're defending this. You want to make it seem like it's not a big deal. If it really doesn't matter, then don't use the glitch.

Yeah... I did bc I wanted to see how much it rocked the boat. Most of the time, it didn't. It was an experiment... And the results were such that I didn't feel the need to promote or use respec cards since it didnt matter that much.

Let's take this case by case on the kits you pointed out: 

Vorcha Hunter? Really? My old build was 4/4 subnet and passives... so 15% more power damage, 10% more weapon damage and the last two ranks of subnet break the game... Then you defend incendiary glitching on the same kit, which doubles or triples the damage output? Hypocrite much Panda? Sheesh.

Valkyrie? Really? 6/6/6/5/3 with Cyclonic vs 6/6/6/6/6 with the same Cyclonic... 200 health/fitness, 15% recharge delay and 10% weapon damage... So gamebreaking... Then AGAIN you say it is fine to incendiary glitch the same kit, which doubles/triples damage output. Pure hypocrisy. It's not even the same... The incendiary glitch is FAR FAR more of a game changer than a few marginal percentages.

Collector, Trooper and Shaman... Yeah... I'll concede those... And a few others... But for the most part, you're wrong... It's not game breaking... Especially when it comes to the infiltrators. They are already sickly OP. Take the Ghost, I always went 4/4 or 5/3 in Stims and Fitness... It doesn't change him bc it's the fact that he has stimpacks in the first place that makes him OP. Giving him a few more shields to refresh and a whopping 8% more weapon damage for 6 seconds doesn't change a damn thing.

Megabeast for once i agree with 100 hundred percent incendiary glitching is worse than a few pencentage increases that doesn't affect gameplay to gamebraking proportions......