Revan has few vague uninformative fragments, and you think that's the same as not getting a mind wipe at all? Who a person is informed by their experiences. Revan has none of those foundational memories. What Revan does have is the past given by the Jedi Council, and you get to decide how that past shapes Revan's personality.The "past life" part makes no sense. There is no "past life" and "present life." There is only one life.
I think our point of contention (it's this with another person I know here) is the Jedi mind-wipe. I don't think it actually erases the personality. If it did, it would erase the memories. Others believe it does.
If it does NOT erase the personality, then that personality exists, or existed, within my character. My character was the kind of person who would rebel against the Jedi Coucil. My character was the kind of person who would go to nefarious places and seek the Dark Side.
Except I didn't create the kind of character. I created a neutral Good character, and the game tells me 3/4 of the way through that my character is actually a different person. It would be allowable actually if it happened in the intro or something, to allow me to craft my character around it. But you don't know about it until it's too late.
I sense a BioWare twist.
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That doesn't make sense. The Maker created Thedas while spirits were still around--why would He wait until Thedas is destroyed to create a new world or new race?
Well, God work in mysterious way....
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And I'll point out, that if you actually believe your theory, are you saying that the Warden and Hawke both were defying the Maker already? Because the Warden is a Warden, and Hawke was trying to defuse the Mage/Templar issue.
Everyone is defying God, everyone is infidel, that is why the world want to be destroyed by The Maker using the Blight, remember?
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Revan has few vague uninformative fragments, and you think that's the same as not getting a mind wipe at all? Who a person is informed by their experiences. Revan has none of those foundational memories. What Revan does have is the past given by the Jedi Council, and you get to decide how that past shapes Revan's personality.
I think the mind wipe is temporary, or only superficial. It doesn't actually erase the personality.
And if the personality is not erased, that personality exists within the character.
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EntropicAngel wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
Revan has few vague uninformative fragments, and you think that's the same as not getting a mind wipe at all? Who a person is informed by their experiences. Revan has none of those foundational memories. What Revan does have is the past given by the Jedi Council, and you get to decide how that past shapes Revan's personality.
I think the mind wipe is temporary, or only superficial. It doesn't actually erase the personality.
And if the personality is not erased, that personality exists within the character.
It is only temporary, Revan gets his memories back between KotOR and KotOR II, and by the time of that Old Republic MMORPG he's back to his old ends justify the means ways.
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It is only temporary, Revan gets his memories back between KotOR and KotOR II, and by the time of that Old Republic MMORPG he's back to his old ends justify the means ways.
So the acual canon confirms my POV? Interesting, didn't know that.
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"the Chantry teach us that the darkspawn is created by the hubris of men, when the magister of Tevinter Imperium find the way into the Golden city, they tainted it with their sin, they cursed by the Maker and become the first Darkspawn, they roam the world and tainted it and tbring the world into the Blight, it's the Maker punishment unto men...the world nearly destroyed...Until men and women rise up drinking blood and become Grey Warden, become the hero defying God's plan to punish us, we will continue to defy God who want to punish us each time and it's have been 5 times...we will survive, we will always defy God and God will always failed...MAKER WATCH US ALL..."
"Magic must serve men and not rule over him thus said Andraste when she cast down Tevinter Imperium who ruled by Mages that bring the world near to it's end...Magic is a gift of the Maker to you but it is a curse upon us...Mages are like a beacon to the Spirits to come into this world to destroy it, that is why we must lock you up and force you to fight Spirit that is the Maker's children, if you fail, we kill you....we don't want the world to end, but you Mages are always born and it's annoying, the Maker hate us so much and so he created your kind everyday, no matter, if He sent His children through you, we kill you...."
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I'd prefer to play as a broodmother than J/V.Fredvdp wrote...
The inquisitor is the new embodiment of the spirit of Justice/demon of Vengeance.
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EntropicAngel wrote...
Talonfire wrote...
It is only temporary, Revan gets his memories back between KotOR and KotOR II, and by the time of that Old Republic MMORPG he's back to his old ends justify the means ways.
So the acual canon confirms my POV? Interesting, didn't know that.
You do know that he only gets that way in MMO, right? During the original game, Revan was totally lightsided as stated by "Word of Lucas."
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Andraste was a mage all along. You are a dreamer and everything was dreamed up by you, the veil tear is actually you waking up.
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"Word of Lucas."
He got special editioned
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Everything we do in DA:I is actually helping the main evil.
I like this idea.
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EntropicAngel wrote...
Talonfire wrote...
It is only temporary, Revan gets his memories back between KotOR and KotOR II, and by the time of that Old Republic MMORPG he's back to his old ends justify the means ways.
So the acual canon confirms my POV? Interesting, didn't know that.
Not really. Revan had a specific personality prior to being the PC. The Rakata Hologram on Kashyyyk tells you as much. It gives you scenarios that Revan would have chosen while Dark Lord of the Sith, and they have nothing to do with however you play your PC. I think HK-47 will tell a Lightside PC that they have developed a sense of mercy they didn't have before.
Revan in TOR has been driven mad, I don't think it's a unaltered example of his personality before Kotor I.
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In The Old Republic, Revan used Fold Space to escape, but he or she ended up in Thedas, becoming the Inquisitor.
Make it happen Biowre.
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You rang?almostinsane99 wrote...
The true enemy... Is your evil split personality!
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I liked the plot twist in ME1, that Soveriegn was an actual Reaper. The conversation had with him of Virmire left my jaw hanging on the floor. It was pretty hard to wrap your head around the fact that the Protheans were just the most recent cycle of total galactic annihilation, accomplished by a force too mammoth to fathom.
Too bad ME3 took ME1 and invalidated roughly 90% of what made the story interesting.
Yeah, ME1 and DA:O have their great twists as well. I just chose those two since...well... they're the most 'well known' and quite undisputed.
