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[Jaison1986]

 So, anyone hoping that during Inquisition, we will have a chance to find ancient archives or something of the like that reveal the truth of what happened during the Chantry's foundation? Such as what Andraste really stood for, and wereas she was truly an mage or not. I just know that almost everything the Chantry stands for and what they preach about Andraste are not actually what she taught, and that their priests twisted her words in order to fit what they believed, not her. That just happened too many times throughout history, and I bet it's the case here too.

Anyone else hoping for this too?

[Xilizhra]

EntropicAngel wrote...

I hope it's not the case because it sounds like a lot of people (including you-- "That just happened too many times throughout history, and I bet it's the case here too") are projecting real-world bias into this issue.

Real-world bias is practically inevitable. To avoid it, you'd need someone who had literally no strong feelings one way or the other about religion, or at least Abrahamic ones. Don't try to make it seem like you're less biased than anyone else here personally, either.

As for the OP... Drakon created the Chantry practically ex nihilo without even the slightest input from the long-dead Andraste, so it's reasonably clear that you're rightish already.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 14 octobre 2013 - 02:17 .

[Fast Jimmy]

EntropicAngel wrote...

I hope it's not the case because it sounds like a lot of people (including you-- "That just happened too many times throughout history, and I bet it's the case here too") are projecting real-world bias into this issue.

Ditto. 

If anything, the team so far seems to have gone to some lengths to make the Chantry's description of events the most accurate one - such as Anders being floored that Corypheus really was a Tevinter magister.

[Xilizhra]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

I hope it's not the case because it sounds like a lot of people (including you-- "That just happened too many times throughout history, and I bet it's the case here too") are projecting real-world bias into this issue.

Ditto. 

If anything, the team so far seems to have gone to some lengths to make the Chantry's description of events the most accurate one - such as Anders being floored that Corypheus really was a Tevinter magister.

The Chantry is the only one with a description of events... aside from the elves mentioning Shartan, who really did exist but who the Chantry tried to turn into a nonperson. So there's already a hole in the Chantry's spiel right there.

[Fast Jimmy]

Those who say the Chantry's doctrine is all stories and propaganda have a description of events. Namely, that the Chantry lied and covered up the truth.

It isn't a detailed accounting of events, but that doesn't mean people (such as Anders) aren't saying it.

[Reznore57]

Oh Yeah!
That's one thing I'm really looking forward to!
One of the possible title for Inquisition was Apocrypha , so chances are pretty good that we're going to search through the Chantry dirty laundry.

Besides the history of the Inquisition is tied to the Chantry birth , the current Inquisition is still using the same symbolism as the Chantry .
I hope we will face situations like the Sacred Ashes , and just learn more about Andraste and the Black city ...

Anyway anything about myth , and how they change through time , are rewritten/used to enlighten or manipulate is pretty much fascinating to me.
Besides there's always the question of what is the truth behind the story ...and is the truth still relevant/important?

[Xilizhra]

I'm biased against bias.

*snrk*

The reasoning for it is what matters.

Bioware would likely have a different reasoning anyway.

Those who say the Chantry's doctrine is all stories and propaganda have a description of events. Namely, that the Chantry lied and covered up the truth.

Well, there's definitely precedent for them having done so.

[Xilizhra]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Bioware would likely have a different reasoning anyway.

The "fans" don't.

They're not the ones making the game, so why are you concerned?

[Jaison1986]

I could be wrong, but Bioware already hinted quite a few times that writen history is proven to be drastically different from the actual history. And I find this interesting mostly because I like conspiracy theories, religion involved or not.

[MisterJB]

You just...know.

[Br3admax]

I couldn't careless one way or the other. The Chantry and it's doctrine matter almost nothing to me. If we learn anything, I hope that it's very insignificant.

[Fast Jimmy]

Xilizhra wrote...

Those who say the Chantry's doctrine is all stories and propaganda have a description of events. Namely, that the Chantry lied and covered up the truth.

Well, there's definitely precedent for them having done so.

I'm not saying there isn't. But so far, Bioware has leaned (slightly) more towards the side of the Chantry's version, including events that play out at the Urn, as well as how it seems Corypheus was exactly who and what the Chantry's version described him being. 

There are many alternative explanations for both of these, for sure. But Bioware is, at least, saying there are some rather large kernels of truth in the Chantry's version of events. 

[LOLandStuff]

I'm thinking maybe Tevinter has some records of what really happened since it wasn't all conquered and when they accepted the Chantry it was on their own terms.

[Ieldra]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...
I hope it's not the case because it sounds like a lot of people (including you-- "That just happened too many times throughout history, and I bet it's the case here too") are projecting real-world bias into this issue.

Ditto. 

If anything, the team so far seems to have gone to some lengths to make the Chantry's description of events the most accurate one - such as Anders being floored that Corypheus really was a Tevinter magister.

It's not so much the facts I take issue with rather than the symbolic interpretation:

Undisputed fact: A group of Tevinter magisters attempted to physically enter the Fade in order to reach the Golden City, at that time a fixture in the Fade. When they arrived, they found a black city instead.

Symbolic interpretation: The Golden City was the home of the Maker and the Tevinter magisters were punished for trespassing there. Their experiment was an act of hubris which turned the Golden City black and drove the Maker from the world.

In my eyes, the only bad thing the magisters did there was to sacrifice hundreds of slaves to get the power to physically enter the Fade. Reaching the Golden City was an ambitious goal, but ambition is not evil, as I cannot repeat often enough, and I see much virtue in the attempt to emancipate humans from their erstwhile deities by claiming powers once thought to be reserved for them. 

If anything, I wish the story to be open to this latter interpretation.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 octobre 2013 - 02:54 .

[Aolbain]

What secret past? A barbarian warlord claims to be God's bride and invades the Empire, leaving it in splinters. A century later a rising conqueror organises those who believes in the words she preached into a real Church (and seizes control over it in the process).

[Vit246]

This is probably best left to speculation.

[Lord Raijin]

All I want to know is if Andraste was a misandry, since only women of the white Chantry could only rise up in the ranks whereas the men only have total of 2 ranks. It seems like theirs a sex discrimination going on.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 14 octobre 2013 - 03:02 .

[azarhal]

Jaison1986 wrote...

 So, anyone hoping that during Inquisition, we will have a chance to find ancient archives or something of the like that reveal the truth of what happened during the Chantry's foundation? Such as what Andraste really stood for, and wereas she was truly an mage or not. I just know that almost everything the Chantry stands for and what they preach about Andraste are not actually what she taught, and that their priests twisted her words in order to fit what they believed, not her. That just happened too many times throughout history, and I bet it's the case here too.

Anyone else hoping for this too?

It's already in the game since DAO, the lore isn't hidding dirty secrets. It start with Drakon creating the Chantry using her image and achievements to create a nations spawning religion to conquer lands and end with the biased interpretation of the Chant of Light since the first Divine to jail mages and make them submit to the Chantry (when the Chant doesn't require it one bit).

The only place where we might find dirty stuff is on the events surrendering the Nevarran Accord and the creation of the Templars and Seeker orders out of the original Inquisition. I smell something fishy there and we do not have a lots of information on the first Inquisition.

[Xilizhra]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Those who say the Chantry's doctrine is all stories and propaganda have a description of events. Namely, that the Chantry lied and covered up the truth.

Well, there's definitely precedent for them having done so.

I'm not saying there isn't. But so far, Bioware has leaned (slightly) more towards the side of the Chantry's version, including events that play out at the Urn, as well as how it seems Corypheus was exactly who and what the Chantry's version described him being. 

There are many alternative explanations for both of these, for sure. But Bioware is, at least, saying there are some rather large kernels of truth in the Chantry's version of events. 

Well, the fact that there was at one point a barbarian warlord named Andraste who claimed to be following the Maker, I don't dispute. The fact that her followers built a magical stronghold in a lyrium-filled mountain, I also don't dispute. Additionally, Corypheus' testimony poked holes in the Chantry's version by effectively saying that the city had never been golden to begin with.

[BlueMagitek]

Surprise twist: Chantry version is completely correct.

What a tweest!

[Xilizhra]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Surprise twist: Chantry version is completely correct.

What a tweest!

We already know it's not.