Modifié par Spectre slayer, 18 octobre 2013 - 01:38 .
Xilizhra wrote...
Keep in mind that this is a lie, as shown later in Witch Hunt when Morrigan reveals that Flemeth isn't human at all, nor an abomination.Well, by Flemeth's own account(as relayed through Morrigan), she would have been born early on in the Towers Age, something like three or four hundred years after Andraste's death.
Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 18 octobre 2013 - 02:09 .
Of course, it's quite possible that there was an original woman named Flemeth whose soul was devoured and whose body was claimed by the entity that now bears that name. Though that seems a bit too much like a regular abomination to fit Morrigan's claim...Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Keep in mind that this is a lie, as shown later in Witch Hunt when Morrigan reveals that Flemeth isn't human at all, nor an abomination.Well, by Flemeth's own account(as relayed through Morrigan), she would have been born early on in the Towers Age, something like three or four hundred years after Andraste's death.
Either way though, I think the public legends of Flemeth only go back to the Towers Age.
Former_Fiend wrote...
Alternatively, Morrigan can simply be wrong.
That being said, Flemeth originating from the early towers age happens to coincide with the Third Blight.One popular theory is that Flemeth is the result of a Dark Ritual, so that would line up nicely.
azarhal wrote...
Former_Fiend wrote...
Alternatively, Morrigan can simply be wrong.
That being said, Flemeth originating from the early towers age happens to coincide with the Third Blight.One popular theory is that Flemeth is the result of a Dark Ritual, so that would line up nicely.
Except that World of Thedas give us Flemeth's birth date and she's born in Tower:0 while the 3rd blight started in Tower:10...
It seems to be the wrong spot, narratively, to lie. Ending DAO with misinformation would strike me as a fair-sized blunder.Medhia Nox wrote...
@Xilizhra: Because... Morrigan can't lie?
Sure, she seems crapping in her pants scared at what she now knows about her "mother"... but, that girl is a manipulative wench and her games with her mother aren't over.
Xilizhra wrote...
Keep in mind that this is a lie, as shown later in Witch Hunt when Morrigan reveals that Flemeth isn't human at all, nor an abomination.Well, by Flemeth's own account(as relayed through Morrigan), she would have been born early on in the Towers Age, something like three or four hundred years after Andraste's death.
There'd be no point in saying it at all if no new information had been gained. She's clearly saying that Flemeth had never been human to begin with.Bleachrude wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Keep in mind that this is a lie, as shown later in Witch Hunt when Morrigan reveals that Flemeth isn't human at all, nor an abomination.Well, by Flemeth's own account(as relayed through Morrigan), she would have been born early on in the Towers Age, something like three or four hundred years after Andraste's death.
Er..no it isn't.
In DA:O, Morrigan relates the story of Flemeth and she ALSO in that same story admits that Flemeth is no longer human. She's not certain what Flemeth is because when the warden asks in DA:O, Morrigan herself says she's not sure WHAT exactly Flemeth became.
In Witch Hunt, Morrigan says that Flemeth isn't human but this isn't a contradiction since the questions wasn't. "was Flemeth ever human?" but "what is Flemeth?" now.
Then what's the point of being so surprised/scared about it? Something like this had already been known in the main game. It's utterly hollow in a narrative sense in that case.No, she's saying Flemeth is not an Abomination or anything we would properly understand or find familiar. She is unknown. It does not rule out that she was ever human.
Morrigan never tells us what's to be scared about. The whole of Witch Hunt is little more than a couple hours of teaser with little pay off. It is narratively hollow.Xilizhra wrote...
Then what's the point of being so surprised/scared about it? Something like this had already been known in the main game. It's utterly hollow in a narrative sense in that case.No, she's saying Flemeth is not an Abomination or anything we would properly understand or find familiar. She is unknown. It does not rule out that she was ever human.
Modifié par Lord Aesir, 18 octobre 2013 - 12:08 .
Xilizhra wrote...
There'd be no point in saying it at all if no new information had been gained. She's clearly saying that Flemeth had never been human to begin with.Bleachrude wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Keep in mind that this is a lie, as shown later in Witch Hunt when Morrigan reveals that Flemeth isn't human at all, nor an abomination.Well, by Flemeth's own account(as relayed through Morrigan), she would have been born early on in the Towers Age, something like three or four hundred years after Andraste's death.
Er..no it isn't.
In DA:O, Morrigan relates the story of Flemeth and she ALSO in that same story admits that Flemeth is no longer human. She's not certain what Flemeth is because when the warden asks in DA:O, Morrigan herself says she's not sure WHAT exactly Flemeth became.
In Witch Hunt, Morrigan says that Flemeth isn't human but this isn't a contradiction since the questions wasn't. "was Flemeth ever human?" but "what is Flemeth?" now.
Modifié par Bleachrude, 18 octobre 2013 - 12:09 .
It doesn't have to be if you're given actually new information.Morrigan never tells us what's to be scared about. The whole of Witch Hunt is little more than a couple hours of teaser with little pay off. It is narratively hollow.
Then why have the line for an imported Warden?Please remember that at the time of Wtch Hunt, you are potentially dealing with a new warden and characters that have never interacted with Morrigan. Morrigan never once says "my mother was never human". She simply says "Flemeth isn't human".
Xilizhra wrote...
It doesn't have to be if you're given actually new information.Morrigan never tells us what's to be scared about. The whole of Witch Hunt is little more than a couple hours of teaser with little pay off. It is narratively hollow.
Then why have the line for an imported Warden?Please remember that at the time of Wtch Hunt, you are potentially dealing with a new warden and characters that have never interacted with Morrigan. Morrigan never once says "my mother was never human". She simply says "Flemeth isn't human".
We're told that she isn't human, nor an abomination. That's more than we knew for sure in DA:O, but don't insist on information that simply isn't there. We are never told she was never human or that she was human. Her precise nature remains ambiguous.Xilizhra wrote...
It doesn't have to be if you're given actually new information.Morrigan never tells us what's to be scared about. The whole of Witch Hunt is little more than a couple hours of teaser with little pay off. It is narratively hollow.
This seems extraordinarily weak. And out of curiosity, what's your investment in preferring that Flemeth has human origins?Because even an imported warden may not have done the Flemeth talk with Morrigan.
Xilizhra wrote...
This seems extraordinarily weak. And out of curiosity, what's your investment in preferring that Flemeth has human origins?Because even an imported warden may not have done the Flemeth talk with Morrigan.
Former_Fiend wrote...
I'm inclined to agree with Bleachrude; nothing Morrigan says excludes the possibility of Flemeth having been human at one point in time.
That being said, I don't particularly care one way or the other what Flemeth's origins are. I'm far more interested in her intentions.
dragonflight288 wrote...
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One way that would tie into origins, would actually be ingenius. The writings of Mafarath taken from the Temple of Andraste. Sister Petrine cares a great deal about the truth, and is the one interpreting the cipher. That account could be quite illuminating.
dragonflight288 wrote...
Former_Fiend wrote...
I'm inclined to agree with Bleachrude; nothing Morrigan says excludes the possibility of Flemeth having been human at one point in time.
That being said, I don't particularly care one way or the other what Flemeth's origins are. I'm far more interested in her intentions.
Well, whatever her intentions are, they were enough to get Morrigan scared enough to actually leave Thedas, and go beyond the Fade through the Eluvian.
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