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[Gwydden]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I didn't like it during the sex scene. However the Leliana's Song sequence was great  and I already mentioned the end c redits song. I did like the ambient music at camp too. Really helped create a atmosphere and made it easier for met to immerse myself in the world.

It seems I phrased my earlier statement poorly. I really liked the music in DAO, except for the one played in the love scenes. So we're on the same page here.

[Splinter Cell 108]

General TSAR wrote...

Six hours later and now the thread has 17 pages.

Nice to see where BSNs' priority lies.

Not surprising, I wonder what would happen if one day they said "No more sex scenes and no more romances". Interesting to see how this place would riot, considering that this in it of itself is minimal for BioWare games, or at least it has been. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 14 octobre 2013 - 11:33 .

[Gwydden]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Six hours later and now the thread has 17 pages.

Nice to see where BSNs' priority lies.

Not surprising, I wonder what would happen if one day they said "No more sex scenes and no more romances". Interesting to see how this place would riot, considering that this in it of itself is minimal for BioWare games, or at least it has been. 

Technically, DA2 didn't have any sex scenes, at least not that I remember. People handled that surprisingly well. Maybe the trick is in not telling them in advance?

[Mathias]

Gwydden wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I didn't like it during the sex scene. However the Leliana's Song sequence was great  and I already mentioned the end c redits song. I did like the ambient music at camp too. Really helped create a atmosphere and made it easier for met to immerse myself in the world.

It seems I phrased my earlier statement poorly. I really liked the music in DAO, except for the one played in the love scenes. So we're on the same page here.

Yeah I figured during my last post. I hope they bring back that type of music back in DA:I.

[durasteel]

Mr.House wrote...
So because it's mature, we must have boobies everywhere?

Everywhere? No. But it does kind of go along with falling in love and doing the horizontal bop. Even if you fade to black in the middle there, when you get up out of bed afterward boobies are pretty normal. 

The problem is that BioWare makes these scenes where any member of a "mature" audience knows there would be some nakedness, and yet goes to some effort to avoid showing that nakedness. If you're not gonna show boobs, fine... but then you shouldn't put scenes in where the lack of boobs is ridiculous. Like, y'know... showers on the Normandy, or your bedroom in Kirkwall right after you've had an intimate encounter.

[Br3admax]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I can't see how it's bad news. This is an overall positive thing. If the guy said they were gonna cut budget on more important story bits in order to have better sex scenes, then that would be cause for concern. But that doesn't seem to be the case here.

I have no faith that the sex scenes will actually be better. I for one was not a fan of ME sex scenes so that is why I do not wish for sex scenes that are more like them. Most of them were awful. You may have liked them, and that's just great, but I didn't; so I would not like more of that. 

[Mathias]

durasteel wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
So because it's mature, we must have boobies everywhere?

Everywhere? No. But it does kind of go along with falling in love and doing the horizontal bop. Even if you fade to black in the middle there, when you get up out of bed afterward boobies are pretty normal. 

The problem is that BioWare makes these scenes where any member of a "mature" audience knows there would be some nakedness, and yet goes to some effort to avoid showing that nakedness. If you're not gonna show boobs, fine... but then you shouldn't put scenes in where the lack of boobs is ridiculous. Like, y'know... showers on the Normandy, or your bedroom in Kirkwall right after you've had an intimate encounter.

It doesn't seem like they're gonna go with the clothed sex scenes again.

[zqrahll]

Mr.House wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

WTF does "mature and tasteful" even mean these days?

Nudity.

Actually, it means no nudity-- implied, shadowy, cop-outs.  Bioware needs to either go real sex scenes Witcher style and have nudity or just fade to black and skip the actual sex.  

Bioware is either too repressed to show even just a bare bottom or too afraid of backlash from people that would never buy this game in the first place, ala the Faux News BS from years ago.

[spirosz]

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

so you got 3 meh's, clearly worth emulation.....?

And I'm being extremely lenient on Ashley and Kaidan. The actual romances for them are atrocious, the scenes are forgettable and not worth even mentioning. They aren't as stand out awful as the fade to blacks, Traynor, and Liara.

You said "meh I guess" for Ashley. You didn't actually say she was meh. And you admitted Jack was good. So that's 2 goods and 1 meh. But if you're gonna backpeddle on it now then forget it.

No i said Jack's was good, thats one.  meh in no way is good.

Jacks creeps me the heck out. *cue spiros to enter and be FRIENDSHIP OVER*

FRIOENSHUOP OVOERRAE 

[spirosz]

zqrahll wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

WTF does "mature and tasteful" even mean these days?

Nudity.

Actually, it means no nudity-- implied, shadowy, cop-outs.  Bioware needs to either go real sex scenes Witcher style and have nudity or just fade to black and skip the actual sex.  

Bioware is either too repressed to show even just a bare bottom or too afraid of backlash from people that would never buy this game in the first place, ala the Faux News BS from years ago.

Are you implying TW2 or Witcher 1?  Nude cards, yes - Bioware - goes this route. 

[llandwynwyn]

zqrahll wrote...


Actually, it means no nudity-- implied, shadowy, cop-outs.  Bioware needs to either go real sex scenes Witcher style and have nudity or just fade to black and skip the actual sex.  

You mean the sex scenes where only the ladies are truly naked? Yes, Bioware, please be mature like CDRP.

Modifié par llandwynwyn, 15 octobre 2013 - 12:00 .

[ScarMK]

zqrahll wrote...
 ala the Faux News BS from years ago.

Someone get me a dead horse pic/gif please.

[hotdogbsg]

This topic has really went through the pages in such a short space of time.

The issue of romance really brings out the vocal side of the BSN for both the proponents and detractors.

[Br3admax]

spirosz wrote...

zqrahll wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

WTF does "mature and tasteful" even mean these days?

Nudity.

Actually, it means no nudity-- implied, shadowy, cop-outs.  Bioware needs to either go real sex scenes Witcher style and have nudity or just fade to black and skip the actual sex.  

Bioware is either too repressed to show even just a bare bottom or too afraid of backlash from people that would never buy this game in the first place, ala the Faux News BS from years ago.

Are you implying TW2 or Witcher 1?  Nude cards, yes - Bioware - goes this route. 

Yes, we need sex cards. Make it happen, BioWare. 

[Reznore57]

ScarMK wrote...

Someone get me a dead horse pic/gif please.

I just really like this gif.

[Gwydden]

hotdogbsg wrote...

This topic has really went through the pages in such a short space of time.

The issue of romance really brings out the vocal side of the BSN for both the proponents and detractors.

It's just like the mage/templar war on the BSN! Endless fighting!

[Gold Dragon]

Ryzaki wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
That's not the characters fault, that's the programmers fault.

pfft I blame both.

Steelcan wrote...

I really wish she could have been dropped off on the Citadel after her mission and never seen again.

If only.

Just simply wait to do Therum until after Virmire.  Liara's dialogue is different, And no chance of Romance until ME 3.

As for the Original Topic:  SOUNDS good, but I'm taking a wait and see approach.

[Mr.House]

zqrahll wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

WTF does "mature and tasteful" even mean these days?

Nudity.

Actually, it means no nudity-- implied, shadowy, cop-outs.  Bioware needs to either go real sex scenes Witcher style and have nudity or just fade to black and skip the actual sex.  

Bioware is either too repressed to show even just a bare bottom or too afraid of backlash from people that would never buy this game in the first place, ala the Faux News BS from years ago.

TW2 didn't have real sex. It just had full frontal female nudity with horrible animations and bad moaning out of a bad porno along with Geralt barbie doll.

Cleary the way to go.

Modifié par Mr.House, 15 octobre 2013 - 12:25 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Gwydden wrote...

hotdogbsg wrote...

This topic has really went through the pages in such a short space of time.

The issue of romance really brings out the vocal side of the BSN for both the proponents and detractors.

It's just like the mage/templar war on the BSN! Endless fighting!

My only concern is this line right here:

D[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">ragon Age: Inquisition runs on the Frostbite 3 engine, the technology also behind upcoming games Battlefield 4 and Need for Speed: Rivals. ]Perry said creating sex scenes that feel genuine and believable will be "incredibly expensive in terms of animation fidelity."[/color]

This is the only reason I have any level of concern, at all. Animation and cinematography involved with having two digital characters actually touch each other is FAR from small. Arguably, it might be one of the most difficult things to do, as the human eye is drawn to inaccuracies of the human form much more critically than in other forms of art. For the characters and scenes to be rendered in-engine, the textures and models need to be rendered in a way that don't clip and, in many cases, intreact with each other in subtle manners (skin touching skin... where the engine must know that skin touching skin results in slight pushing together, while sword touching skin = blood bath).

The other alternative is to render romance scenes (or any scenes where actual physical contact is shown, including combat) not in-engine, but rather as simply CGI films that don't actually occur "in the game" at all. These can be extremely expensive to produce as well. Examples include Final Fantasy X's kissing scene in a small pond full of glowing plants... which reportedly cost tens of thousands of dollars to create. Or perhaps Dragon Age 2's "Rise to Power" CGI, which showed a blood mage Hawke battling the Arishok directly.

Point being - this is not a small request. Romance scenes that aren't "fade to black" are either A) lightning rods for criticism (DA:O's dry hump scenes have been relentlessly lambasted here) or huge resource sinks. 

I, personally, don't think such a feature is worth the huge budget. And while my personal preference shouldn't trump the development of the game, I also don't think Bioware would funnel as much money into them if it weren't for the rather rabid fan base who demands it. 

That's my two cents on the issue. No one will care, but that's the way these things work.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 15 octobre 2013 - 12:35 .

[Quill74Pen]

Mr.House wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

It's called giving people what they want.

Damn straight. Dragon Age is a Mature rated game, and it should feel like one too.

So because it's mature, we must have boobies everywhere?

Pfft. That's a *gross* generalization, and you know it. The human body being exposed in a scene that's devoted to romance isn't the equivalent of "boobies everywhere," for God's sake.

[cjones91]

spirosz wrote...

zqrahll wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

WTF does "mature and tasteful" even mean these days?

Nudity.

Actually, it means no nudity-- implied, shadowy, cop-outs.  Bioware needs to either go real sex scenes Witcher style and have nudity or just fade to black and skip the actual sex.  

Bioware is either too repressed to show even just a bare bottom or too afraid of backlash from people that would never buy this game in the first place, ala the Faux News BS from years ago.

Are you implying TW2 or Witcher 1?  Nude cards, yes - Bioware - goes this route. 

DAO had actual achievements for sleeping with the LIs so Witcher isn't the only one who gave a prize for sex.

[cjones91]

Quill74Pen wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

It's called giving people what they want.

Damn straight. Dragon Age is a Mature rated game, and it should feel like one too.

So because it's mature, we must have boobies everywhere?

Pfft. That's a *gross* generalization, and you know it. The human body being exposed in a scene that's devoted to romance isn't the equivalent of "boobies everywhere," for God's sake.

Some people act like they have never seen themselves naked with the way they react to seeing nudity.

[MissCurlsbel]

I understand that these scenes are the climax of the romance part of the story but, personally, I prefer all the little ways the LIs shows how much they care for our characters. I'd like to see a lot more of the build up to the romance scenes rather than applying so much effort to the actual showing of the act.

I appreciate the effort Bioware animators and the rest of the team put into these scenes, I really do, but I don't think they should be shown as an objective to achieve from pursuing a relationship. It just devalues the characters and the relationship being portrayed

[Mr.House]

Quill74Pen wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

It's called giving people what they want.

Damn straight. Dragon Age is a Mature rated game, and it should feel like one too.

So because it's mature, we must have boobies everywhere?

Pfft. That's a *gross* generalization, and you know it. The human body being exposed in a scene that's devoted to romance isn't the equivalent of "boobies everywhere," for God's sake.

You need to play more video games.