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[MissCurlsbel]

The Hierophant wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Well, if it affects something you do like, then you are entitled to at least complain about it from time to time. I mean, it wont change anything, but it is nice to vent.

I've heard this many times. Out of curiousity, what somethings you like that you think romance have affects or will affect?

It's only speculation but the team's resources and time are not infinite. Increased focus on romance scenes probably means that another feature will receive less focus. I just hope it's not weather effects...srsly.

You have to have seen the PAX prime presentation though. That technical art

[The Hierophant]

Gwydden wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Well, if it affects something you do like, then you are entitled to at least complain about it from time to time. I mean, it wont change anything, but it is nice to vent.

I've heard this many times. Out of curiousity, what somethings you like that you think romance have affects or will affect?

It's only speculation but the team's resources and time are not infinite. Increased focus on romance scenes probably means that another feature will receive less focus. I just hope it's not weather effects...srsly.

I had understood romances have a specific percentage of the game resources devoted to them, and they can't exceed said percentage. I could be wrong, of course.

What would happen if they exceed said percentage?

[Gwydden]

The Hierophant wrote...

What would happen if they exceed said percentage?

Well, I don't know. I don't even remember where I read that, or if it is accurate. But I suppose romance content would have to be cut out.

Modifié par Gwydden, 16 octobre 2013 - 03:02 .

[MissCurlsbel]

The Hierophant wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Well, if it affects something you do like, then you are entitled to at least complain about it from time to time. I mean, it wont change anything, but it is nice to vent.

I've heard this many times. Out of curiousity, what somethings you like that you think romance have affects or will affect?

It's only speculation but the team's resources and time are not infinite. Increased focus on romance scenes probably means that another feature will receive less focus. I just hope it's not weather effects...srsly.

I had understood romances have a specific percentage of the game resources devoted to them, and they can't exceed said percentage. I could be wrong, of course.

What would happen if they exceed said percentage?

The answer is they don't exceed the percentage. If anything, working in the industry will teach you that you are always on a tight schedule to produce the content you already need to do. You don't have time for extras...

[The Hierophant]

MissCurlsbel wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

What would happen if they exceed said percentage?

The answer is they don't exceed the percentage. If anything, working in the industry will teach you that you are always on a tight schedule to produce the content you already need to do. You don't have time for extras...

Interesting?

[Star fury]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I don't find them any more cringe worthy than sex scenes in movies, books, or on TV.

Yeah, let's get back to 1940's.

Yeah I've noticed these past few years how sexually awkward and confused the gaming community has become. 

Think it has more to do with bsn, other forums tend to have neutral opinion about sex scenes. AFAIK majority noted awkwardness of DAO scenes with characters wearing clothes.

[Star fury]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Most forums I've been too tend to ridicule Bioware for them. BSN is really the only place I see outside of those dark, creepy places I will never go to that tend to clamor for more of it.

Well, people on ther forums still discuss Baldur's Gate romances, and well, sometimes half of ME discussion was about romances. On the other hand, many times I've read that Fallout 3 and FNV should have romances. Witcher has an abundance of sex scenes and romances.  

[Br3admax]

Star fury wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Most forums I've been too tend to ridicule Bioware for them. BSN is really the only place I see outside of those dark, creepy places I will never go to that tend to clamor for more of it.

Well, people on ther forums still discuss Baldur's Gate romances, and well, sometimes half of ME discussion was about romances. On the other hand, many times I've read that Fallout 3 and FNV should have romances. Witcher has an abundance of sex scenes and romances.  

Fallout does sex right.

Also, the Witcher/Witcher 2 only has three romances. Two of which will most likely never matter in the slightest. 

[David Gaider]

MissCurlsbel wrote...
The answer is they don't exceed the percentage. If anything, working in the industry will teach you that you are always on a tight schedule to produce the content you already need to do. You don't have time for extras...

Indeed. We know how many resources are devoted to things before we start. For romance arc, it's an amount of wordcount for the Writers (as a portion of a particular follower's total dialogues) and an amount of cinematics for the Cinematic Designers.

The scenes being discussed are the province of Cinematic Design. If they didn't exist, the romances would still exist-- there would simply be no scene if and when a romantic scene was called for. Having less of these scenes does not mean the writers have more time or words with which to work. At best there would be more resources for cutscenes elsewhere.

Ultimately this is nothing new-- it's not as if we suddenly announced that we will have these scenes, and have never done them before. They will take up no more portion of the budget than previously, and anyone who's not interested in romances in general can feel free to enjoy the rest of the game oblivious to them entirely. If the knowledge that there are people interested in such things, or that the option to engage in romances might arise and demand that you take it, makes the game impossible to play-- there's always the option not to. We're not suddenly going to remove romances from the series, no matter who gripes about them, so act accordingly.

Modifié par David Gaider, 16 octobre 2013 - 04:22 .

[The Hierophant]

David Gaider wrote...

MissCurlsbel wrote...
The answer is they don't exceed the percentage. If anything, working in the industry will teach you that you are always on a tight schedule to produce the content you already need to do. You don't have time for extras...

Indeed. We know how many resources are devoted to things before we start. For romance arc, it's an amount of wordcount for the Writers (as a portion of a particular follower's total dialogues) and an amount of cinematics for the Cinematic Designers.

The scenes being discussed are the province of Cinematic Design. If they didn't exist, the romances would still exist-- there would simply be no scene if and when a romantic scene was called for. Having less of these scenes does not mean the writers have more time or words with which to work. At best there would be more resources for cutscenes elsewhere.

Ultimately this is nothing new-- it's not as if we suddenly announced that we will have these scenes, and have never done them before. They will take up no more portion of the budget than previously, and anyone who's not interested in romances in general can feel free to enjoy the rest of the game oblivious to them entirely. If the knowledge that there are people interested in such things, or that the option to engage in romances might arise and demand that you take it, makes the game impossible to play-- there's always the option not to. We're not suddenly going to remove romances from the series, no matter who gripes about them, so act accordingly.

The bolded is music to my ears.

Not trying to go ot, but will you release more news on weather effects?

[David Gaider]

The Hierophant wrote...
Not trying to go ot, but will you release more news on weather effects?

Eventually, maybe. Certainly never in a thread that has nothing to do with weather effects-- and which the existence of romances or cinematic scenes could not possibly affect.

Modifié par David Gaider, 16 octobre 2013 - 04:33 .

[The Hierophant]

David Gaider wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...
Not trying to go ot, but will you release more news on weather effects?

Eventually, maybe. Certainly never in a thread that has nothing to do with weather effects-- and which the existence of romances or cinemetic scenes could not possibly affect.

lol. I'll hate myself for this but what if- nah i'm frosty now.

Thanks for the reply though.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 16 octobre 2013 - 04:33 .

[MissCurlsbel]

Got to say: DAI's environments are looking wonderfully delicious. Huzzah to everyone in the environment team involved in breathing life into the world of Thedas, they are all

[Star fury]

Br3ad wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Most forums I've been too tend to ridicule Bioware for them. BSN is really the only place I see outside of those dark, creepy places I will never go to that tend to clamor for more of it.

Well, people on ther forums still discuss Baldur's Gate romances, and well, sometimes half of ME discussion was about romances. On the other hand, many times I've read that Fallout 3 and FNV should have romances. Witcher has an abundance of sex scenes and romances.  

Fallout does sex right.

Also, the Witcher/Witcher 2 only has three romances. Two of which will most likely never matter in the slightest. 

It's only your opinion.

Witcher also had a LOT of sex scenes without romances. But somehow a tiny vocal minority on bsn wants to get rid of romances in Bioware games.

[Star fury]

David Gaider wrote...
Ultimately this is nothing new-- it's not as if we suddenly announced that we will have these scenes, and have never done them before. They will take up no more portion of the budget than previously, and anyone who's not interested in romances in general can feel free to enjoy the rest of the game oblivious to them entirely. 

I don't get it, why it is so hard to understand for the anti-romance brigade.

[David Gaider]

MissCurlsbel wrote...

Got to say: DAI's environments are looking wonderfully delicious. Huzzah to everyone in the environment team involved in breathing life into the world of Thedas, they are all

Yeah, I'm not even much of one who pays much heed to graphical fidelity ("does it do the trick? awesome"), but some of the stuff the environment team has been putting out has been breathtaking. You don't even know.

Err... off topic, I guess. But thanks anyhow.

[David Gaider]

Star fury wrote...
I don't get it, why it is so hard to understand for the anti-romance brigade.

I get it just fine. They don't like it, for a variety of reasons, and get terrified that because people like to obsess about them on these forums that they're all we developers will ever think about.

I simply don't care. There's plenty of game to go around, and the existence of something one doesn't like and might not ever use isn't the end of the world. If it is, door's that way.

There are lots of criticisms about the scenes themselves one can express-- they should have nudity, they should not have nudity, they were like awkward puppets mashing faces, they should be more like Mass Effect 1/2/3, they should never be like Mass Effect 1/2/3, they should be about emotions, etc. etc. All valid.

"I don't want them at all" gets a big shrug, however. We're doing them, as we've been doing them for quite some time now.

Modifié par David Gaider, 16 octobre 2013 - 04:56 .

[MissCurlsbel]

Star fury wrote...

I don't get it, why it is so hard to understand for the anti-romance brigade.

Everyone's a critic. Their voices shouldn't be drown just because you disagree with them and continuous fighting between both groups due to difference of opinions won't make any progress. Understanding both sides and try to draw a peaceful solution that benefits both is what will solve it.

Bioware has done that by not making romances obligatory.

Why can't we all just shake hands and be done with the arguing already?

[David Gaider]

Foshizzlin wrote...
Does the dev team really obsess or focus on the ideas of romance, inclusion, and sex scenes as much as some wackjobs here claim they do (or, even worse, the absolute idiots who do want you all to focus more on them than any other mechanics)?

Of course not. If we obsessed over these things as much as the fans did, we'd never have the time to do the 90% of the work that actually occupies our time. As in making the rest of the game.

People obsess on the BSN, and the Internet in general. It's what they do. If you just can't handle it, and the existence of such obsessions drive you nuts because they're not your obsessions, it's time to step away. Lots of people do it. The vast majority of the people who play Dragon Age do it, and we developers are well aware of that.

Failing that, have fun enjoying each others' opinions. And be excellent to each other.

[Star fury]

David Gaider wrote...
I get it just fine. They don't like it, for a variety of reasons, and get terrified that because people like to obsess about them on these forums that they're all we developers will ever think about.

They don't like it, some people like it, that's democracy after all. Also I'm sure a lot of these "obsessed" people are just trolls who like to wind up forums with their inane stuff. I've seen much worse things on MMORPG forums i.e. World of Warcraft "Did he drop any good loot". 

David Gaider wrote...
I simply don't care. There's plenty of game to go around, and the existence of something one doesn't like and might not ever use isn't the end of the world. If it is, door's that way.

Exactly, don't romance characters, don't visit romance forum. Problem solved.

David Gaider wrote...
"I don't want them at all" gets a big shrug, however. We're doing them, as we've been doing them for quite some time now.

Yeah, it's one of the trademarks of Bioware as it was even mentioned in a game magazine.

[Star fury]

MissCurlsbel wrote...
Everyone's a critic. Their voices shouldn't be drown just because you disagree with them and continuous fighting between both groups due to difference of opinions won't make any progress. Understanding both sides and try to draw a peaceful solution that benefits both is what will solve it. 

Bioware has done that by not making romances obligatory.

Why can't we all just shake hands and be done with the arguing already?

I'm fine with criticism if they really showed us flaws in romances or why game limitations can't simulate genuine emotions. But it's almost always "get rid of romances" and "close romance forum".