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[MissCurlsbel]

Star fury wrote...


I'm fine with criticism if they really showed us flaws in romances or why game limitations can't simulate genuine emotions. But it's almost always "get rid of romances" and "close romance forum". 

What is a flaw to them may not be a flaw to you and vice versa. The world is full of opinions and trying to find a compromise between different factions is always a big struggle (if not utterly impossible at times).

But the world keeps turning nonetheless. As Mr. Gaider gracefully suggested, if you find you can't hang around these kind of people you can always step away, it isn't your duty to make them see what you find is the correct way to do things (they also believe what they say is the right thing afterall).

Aren't we all driven to protect what we think is right, so who are we to judge each other?

[Twilight_Princess]

David Gaider wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...
Does the dev team really obsess or focus on the ideas of romance, inclusion, and sex scenes as much as some wackjobs here claim they do (or, even worse, the absolute idiots who do want you all to focus more on them than any other mechanics)?

Of course not. If we obsessed over these things as much as the fans did, we'd never have the time to do the 90% of the work that actually occupies our time. As in making the rest of the game.

People obsess on the BSN, and the Internet in general. It's what they do. If you just can't handle it, and the existence of such obsessions drive you nuts because they're not your obsessions, it's time to step away. Lots of people do it. The vast majority of the people who play Dragon Age do it, and we developers are well aware of that.

Failing that, have fun enjoying each others' opinions. And be excellent to each other.

Right on Mr Gaider



I for one am pleased about the "mature and tasteful" direction  . 

[Br3admax]

Star fury wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Most forums I've been too tend to ridicule Bioware for them. BSN is really the only place I see outside of those dark, creepy places I will never go to that tend to clamor for more of it.

Well, people on ther forums still discuss Baldur's Gate romances, and well, sometimes half of ME discussion was about romances. On the other hand, many times I've read that Fallout 3 and FNV should have romances. Witcher has an abundance of sex scenes and romances.  

Fallout does sex right.

Also, the Witcher/Witcher 2 only has three romances. Two of which will most likely never matter in the slightest. 

It's only your opinion.

Sarcasm the fruit of life.

Witcher also had a LOT of sex scenes without romances. But somehow a tiny vocal minority on bsn wants to get rid of romances in Bioware games.

And? There's a tiny vocal minority that wants to get rid of everything. Not that any of that has to do with the five seconds of loveless sex in the Witcher. 

[mickey111]

What I don't want from romances is for it to be done like in that Baldurs Gate 2 game. The characters and the content wee both fine, but It's a matter of proportions. If a single romnce arc involves more dialogue by itself than half of the talk you get from the other 4 people in the group, that is a problem. If 80% of an NPCs character development is in the romance path, then that is a problem too. This problem of spreading the "word budget" too thin across too many characters is a problem that DA has mostly avoided so far I think... wish I could say the same for Mass Effect 2 and 3.

What I'm after is quality over quantity basically. I like a large cast of characters like in Mass Effect, but like that other person mentioned, characters like Jack were terribly boring unless romanced, and Garrus barely spole to you at all in ME2 without a romance. if the writing team skims over half of them for some reason, then why bother including them at all?

Modifié par mickey111, 16 octobre 2013 - 11:11 .

[Maytrows]

Gamespot: DA Inquisition sex scenes will be "mature and tasteful."

1.Have yet to see Biowarde do a sex-scene that has sex in it. Rolling around nude, sure but that is about it.

2. "mature and tasteful."
Those two word are about the most boring things you can attach to anything that has to do with sex. If anyone got asked what kind of sex they would like to have you think anyone would answer "mature and tasteful"? How about lustful ,feverish or passionate?

If "mature and tasteful" is going to be the lead words in how they handle the "sex" scenes then I predict they will be boring and actually detract from character development since the sex would just be filler to award the player for successfully achieving a romance.

That said I hope they try something original and don't do cliches left and right.

[Girtuoklis]

Sex scenes will be "mature and tasteful" huh? Never saw these in western games and i doubt that will ever see.

[DarkSerpent1337]

Mature and tasteful sounds good to me. Hopefully that means we won't get any more, "falicitate me!" moments.

[Angrywolves]

Well that's nice.Glad to read Gaider's comments. I hope they mark an end to the war started on the BSN by that silly dating sim thread . I am a romance fan. Been one for years. If Mr. Gaider was still here I would ask him why ? Why do romances at all ? Why bother ? Most fans don't do them. Bioware says that's so.Despite claims made by the romance haters that large numbers of fans do them and obsess on them. While for some fans romances are a major part of the game I suspect the number of romance fans don't justify the effort by Bioware . The old cost/benefit analysis thing. So in my opinion Bioware does romances , not just for the romance fans but because they want to do them. Someone at Bioware likes having romances in the games. Who it is, I don't know. I suspect it's several someones. And that's ok. It's a game made by Bioware , they determine what is in it.

[Gwydden]

Angrywolves wrote...

Well that's nice.Glad to read Gaider's comments. I hope they mark an end to the war started on the BSN by that silly dating sim thread . I am a romance fan. Been one for years. If Mr. Gaider was still here I would ask him why ? Why do romances at all ? Why bother ? Most fans don't do them. Bioware says that's so.Despite claims made by the romance haters that large numbers of fans do them and obsess on them. While for some fans romances are a major part of the game I suspect the number of romance fans don't justify the effort by Bioware . The old cost/benefit analysis thing. So in my opinion Bioware does romances , not just for the romance fans but because they want to do them. Someone at Bioware likes having romances in the games. Who it is, I don't know. I suspect it's several someones. And that's ok. It's a game made by Bioware , they determine what is in it.

Actually, I had understood the statistics that said people who did romances were a minority are outdated. Just now, Mr. Gaider said that most fans do romances, though maybe he was just referring to hardcore fans who post in the BSN .

[Angrywolves]

That's what I get not reading everything Gaider said. Oh well. But my question is ...... Does Bioware do romances for the fans or for themselves . I think it's the latter.

[Br3admax]

Gwydden wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Well that's nice.Glad to read Gaider's comments. I hope they mark an end to the war started on the BSN by that silly dating sim thread . I am a romance fan. Been one for years. If Mr. Gaider was still here I would ask him why ? Why do romances at all ? Why bother ? Most fans don't do them. Bioware says that's so.Despite claims made by the romance haters that large numbers of fans do them and obsess on them. While for some fans romances are a major part of the game I suspect the number of romance fans don't justify the effort by Bioware . The old cost/benefit analysis thing. So in my opinion Bioware does romances , not just for the romance fans but because they want to do them. Someone at Bioware likes having romances in the games. Who it is, I don't know. I suspect it's several someones. And that's ok. It's a game made by Bioware , they determine what is in it.

Actually, I had understood the statistics that said people who did romances were a minority are outdated. Just now, Mr. Gaider said that most fans do romances, though maybe he was just referring to hardcore fans who post in the BSN .

Perhaps he means most core fans. You also are forgetting that the consumer is not synonymous with fan. It is still most likely that most of the people who purchase DA: I will still ignore the romances. 

[MissCurlsbel]

Angrywolves wrote...

That's what I get not reading everything Gaider said. Oh well. But my question is ...... Does Bioware do romances for the fans or for themselves . I think it's the latter.

They do it because it nicely supports the story? It adds a more "Hey, they are human and have feelings just like us!" analogy to their characters making them relatable?

There's a reason why the Citadel DLC became so popular even among the media, for example.

Bioware has always put a bit of romance into their stories and as long as there's a strong market for it they will surerly continue to rip the benefits. Who wouldn't?

[Renmiri1]

People who wax on and on about "game mechanics" make me laugh. As IF any singleplayer game could hold a candle to multiplayer combat.

Show me your kill rate on COD, your raiding achievements on WoW or the new GTA 5 multiplayer scores and I'll respect your opinions about game mechanics. Tell me you consider fiddling with a joystick alone in your basement "combat" and you earn from me the same scorn you earn when you confuse the little fade to black scenes you get on singleplayer games with pr0n.

Son you have absolutely NO IDEA what the real thing is - be it sex or combat - and it really shows. You should stop talking before you embarrass yourself more.


MODEDIT: This post is unnecessarily hostile and confrontational and doesn't serve much aside from agitating those that would disagree.  I'd appreciate it if people let this conversation tangent die.

- Allan

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 16 octobre 2013 - 11:22 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

^ are you for real

[The Hierophant]

Renmiri1 wrote...

People who wax on and on about "game mechanics" make me laugh. As IF any singleplayer game could hold a candle to multiplayer combat.

Show me your kill rate on COD, your raiding achievements on WoW or the new GTA 5 multiplayer scores and I'll respect your opinions about game mechanics. Tell me you consider fiddling with a joystick alone in your basement "combat" and you earn from me the same scorn you earn when you confuse the little fade to black scenes you get on singleplayer games with pr0n.

Son you have absolutely NO IDEA what the real thing is - be it sex or combat - and it really shows. You should stop talking before you embarrass yourself more.

???

[Allan Schumacher]

Lets NOT turn this into a thread about a post over who is or is not more special or uniquely awesome based on whether or not they play MP or SP games.

[The Hierophant]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Lets NOT turn this into a thread about a post over who is or is not more special or uniquely awesome based on whether or not they play MP or SP games.

I think Ren posted in the wrong thread or somethin'.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 16 octobre 2013 - 11:23 .

[KC_Prototype]

Makes the game better and gives the players what they want. It also adds maturity to game because clothed sex scenes aren't the greatest in Dragon Age's case.

[Zubie]

Renmiri1 wrote...

People who wax on and on about "game mechanics" make me laugh. As IF any singleplayer game could hold a candle to multiplayer combat.

Show me your kill rate on COD, your raiding achievements on WoW or the new GTA 5 multiplayer scores and I'll respect your opinions about game mechanics. Tell me you consider fiddling with a joystick alone in your basement "combat" and you earn from me the same scorn you earn when you confuse the little fade to black scenes you get on singleplayer games with pr0n.

Son you have absolutely NO IDEA what the real thing is - be it sex or combat - and it really shows. You should stop talking before you embarrass yourself more.


MODEDIT: This post is unnecessarily hostile and confrontational and doesn't serve much aside from agitating those that would disagree.  I'd appreciate it if people let this conversation tangent die.

- Allan

dafuq

Modifié par easygame88, 17 octobre 2013 - 12:17 .

[SirGladiator]

For me the whole idea of a love scene would be 'do it right or don't do it at all'. Certainly KOTOR back in the day, and SR4 much more recently, had their 'fade to black' love scenes and the romances themselves were still fun. Of course the original interview fellow at the start of this thread mentioned ME, and as we all know the Liara-FemShep love scene from ME is the best love scene that Bioware has ever done, it got them untold millions of dollars worth of free publicity, helping it become a best-seller and leading to many (with many still to come) sequels. So done right, a love scene can not only be awesome but can lead to tremendous popularity for the game, it's definitely time well spent. The fellow who was interviewed said all the right things, if they achieve a scene like what he described it'll be worth all the time and effort, and then some. Hopefully it will be as awesome as it sounds!

[Rane7685]

Please tell me this refers to Mass Effect 1 not the others?

[Caprea]

Angrywolves wrote...

Well that's nice.Glad to read Gaider's comments. I hope they mark an end to the war started on the BSN by that silly dating sim thread . I am a romance fan. Been one for years. If Mr. Gaider was still here I would ask him why ? Why do romances at all ? Why bother ? Most fans don't do them. Bioware says that's so.Despite claims made by the romance haters that large numbers of fans do them and obsess on them. While for some fans romances are a major part of the game I suspect the number of romance fans don't justify the effort by Bioware . The old cost/benefit analysis thing. So in my opinion Bioware does romances , not just for the romance fans but because they want to do them. Someone at Bioware likes having romances in the games. Who it is, I don't know. I suspect it's several someones. And that's ok. It's a game made by Bioware , they determine what is in it.

Aside from being a nice extra for those that like it (and maybe the people who play and like them do justify the efforts - who knows?), I guess it also adds some humanity to the whole thing (as MissCurlsbel already pointed out). BioWare has been known for focusing on characters, so if forming friendships and rivalries with your companions is possible throughout the game, why not romances? In my opinion, it would be the logical conclusion, whether people like it or not.

[Warden Nick]

Im still trying to imagine Cassandra naked.

[kinderschlager]

David Gaider wrote...

Foshizzlin wrote...
Does the dev team really obsess or focus on the ideas of romance, inclusion, and sex scenes as much as some wackjobs here claim they do (or, even worse, the absolute idiots who do want you all to focus more on them than any other mechanics)?

Of course not. If we obsessed over these things as much as the fans did, we'd never have the time to do the 90% of the work that actually occupies our time. As in making the rest of the game.

People obsess on the BSN, and the Internet in general. It's what they do. If you just can't handle it, and the existence of such obsessions drive you nuts because they're not your obsessions, it's time to step away. Lots of people do it. The vast majority of the people who play Dragon Age do it, and we developers are well aware of that.

Failing that, have fun enjoying each others' opinions. And be excellent to each other.

so does that make me the odd man out since i DON'T obsess over the game (well, not till it's out anyway)

[Kallimachus]

Br3ad wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Well that's nice.Glad to read Gaider's comments. I hope they mark an end to the war started on the BSN by that silly dating sim thread . I am a romance fan. Been one for years. If Mr. Gaider was still here I would ask him why ? Why do romances at all ? Why bother ? Most fans don't do them. Bioware says that's so.Despite claims made by the romance haters that large numbers of fans do them and obsess on them. While for some fans romances are a major part of the game I suspect the number of romance fans don't justify the effort by Bioware . The old cost/benefit analysis thing. So in my opinion Bioware does romances , not just for the romance fans but because they want to do them. Someone at Bioware likes having romances in the games. Who it is, I don't know. I suspect it's several someones. And that's ok. It's a game made by Bioware , they determine what is in it.

Actually, I had understood the statistics that said people who did romances were a minority are outdated. Just now, Mr. Gaider said that most fans do romances, though maybe he was just referring to hardcore fans who post in the BSN .

Perhaps he means most core fans. You also are forgetting that the consumer is not synonymous with fan. It is still most likely that most of the people who purchase DA: I will still ignore the romances. 

Most likely he is basing his statistics on telemetry. And that refers to players as a whole, not just "core fans" (how would he even be able to make such a distinction in the stats?). We already know that at one of the same sex romances was played by 24% of the player base (located here: http://gdcvault.com/...96/Sex-in-Video jump to 16:44). Presumably the opposite sex romances were played by a larger number of people. As for what you are decribing as "likely", on what are you basing that, other than your own feelings on the subject?

And even if we assume that "only" 24% of players played any of the romances, that is still a larger percentage than played a female Shepard in ME3 (18%), and a much larger percentage than played any ME3 class except Soldier (Infiltrator, the second most popular class was played by less than 12% of the players, while over 64% played as Soldiers). Shuold those too be eliminated?

Modifié par Kallimachus, 17 octobre 2013 - 02:59 .