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24% of the player base (of those who did not opt out of telemetry, it's true-- but we're talking a figure in the millions, which makes it a smidge better than anecdotal data) at least began the romance arc for one of the characters in DAO as a PC of the same sex. That implies nothing beyond the mere existence of the fact-- we have no knowledge of why they did so, what the actual gender of the player behind that PC was, or why those who didn't complete the arc did not.

We are not going to go into detail on telemetry, or get into a discussion of exactly what percentage of the player base even engages in romances. It's large enough for us, and we put the amount of resources into romances that we feel that interest level deserves. For those who do not pursue romance arcs, there's an entire rest of the game for them to enjoy.

So a quarter of DA players pursue romance in some form. That's one impressive number.

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Makes me wonder how many were not part of the "telemetry group" and if they might occupy a totally different gamer niche with different tastes.  I would guess if that number was factored in, romance participation would further increase.

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Makes me wonder how many were not part of the "telemetry group" and if they might occupy a totally different gamer niche with different tastes.  I would guess if that number was factored in, romance participation would further increase.


And why would you guess that? Do you have any reason for it? Any at all?


People without a consistent internet connection, or people on consoles (that are not consistently online, of course), or people who simply don't like the idea of sending information somewhere might be the people who don't send telemetry data.

Not a shred of that suggests the percentage is higher. I doubt there would be any real change at all.

There is no "gamer with different tastes" based purely on sending telemetry data, outside of something like "doesn't think paying for internet is worth it." You can't draw any correlation between romance participation (especially "started romance path" participation--that loses meaning for some games like ME1 or DA:O) and sending/not sending telemetry data.

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zMataxa wrote...
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Makes me wonder how many were not part of the "telemetry group" and if they might occupy a totally different gamer niche with different tastes.  I would guess if that number was factored in, romance participation would further increase.


It's definitely possible. I know some die-hard Bioware fans who respect their privacy and thus switch off telemetry, and most of them like romances.

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Star fury wrote...

zMataxa wrote...
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Makes me wonder how many were not part of the "telemetry group" and if they might occupy a totally different gamer niche with different tastes.  I would guess if that number was factored in, romance participation would further increase.


It's definitely possible. I know some die-hard Bioware fans who respect their privacy and thus switch off telemetry, and most of them like romances.

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@StarFury -- Exactly right.
EntropicAngel wouldn't believe that I think.  I know several that that are offline as well and enjoy some of the romances.

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zMataxa wrote...

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Makes me wonder how many were not part of the "telemetry group" and if they might occupy a totally different gamer niche with different tastes.  I would guess if that number was factored in, romance participation would further increase.


And why would you guess that? Do you have any reason for it? Any at all?


People without a consistent internet connection, or people on consoles (that are not consistently online, of course), or people who simply don't like the idea of sending information somewhere might be the people who don't send telemetry data.

Not a shred of that suggests the percentage is higher. I doubt there would be any real change at all.

There is no "gamer with different tastes" based purely on sending telemetry data, outside of something like "doesn't think paying for internet is worth it." You can't draw any correlation between romance participation (especially "started romance path" participation--that loses meaning for some games like ME1 or DA:O) and sending/not sending telemetry data.

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Wow.  Where did that energy come from?  Where did it come from?  (Normally I would not write like that - but I'm just reflecting back your energy.)
I don't remember having any prior conversations with you on this matter, or any matter that would trigger such an unfriendly reaction.

Reason?  Whenever I write something - I have a reason and underlying rationale.

I think it needs to be clairified how the telemetry data is transmitted.
I have stated clearly in previous threads that I am deeply interested in how the data was collected.
Therein will lie clues.
If they mainly got online achievement players, DLC players and MP, then by the very nature of those products it tends to attract subsets of people.
You may not agree with that - perhaps thinking every male and female has the same tastes and likes?
Different subsets have different habits.  Like some read books and not as likely to be social about it ergo no telemetry data. 
But I suspect with your prior post,You and ME are just have agree to disagree.
I'm fine with that.

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I wonder if Bioware can make a game now without having to have some romance or sex scene in it. These are RPGs, not dating sims. Its kind of ridiculous IMO how serious people take these things, like its some major part of the game.

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Is it a Bloody moon outside right now?

Modifié par zMataxa, 18 octobre 2013 - 06:09 .


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ramnozack wrote...

I wonder if Bioware can make a game now without having to have some romance or sex scene in it. These are RPGs, not dating sims. Its kind of ridiculous IMO how serious people take these things, like its some major part of the game.


Somebody is forcing you to pursue romance? 

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And why would you guess that? Do you have any reason for it? Any at all?


People without a consistent internet connection, or people on consoles (that are not consistently online, of course), or people who simply don't like the idea of sending information somewhere might be the people who don't send telemetry data.

Not a shred of that suggests the percentage is higher. I doubt there would be any real change at all.

There is no "gamer with different tastes" based purely on sending telemetry data, outside of something like "doesn't think paying for internet is worth it." You can't draw any correlation between romance participation (especially "started romance path" participation--that loses meaning for some games like ME1 or DA:O) and sending/not sending telemetry data.


You need anger management course.

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Star fury wrote...

ramnozack wrote...

I wonder if Bioware can make a game now without having to have some romance or sex scene in it. These are RPGs, not dating sims. Its kind of ridiculous IMO how serious people take these things, like its some major part of the game.


Somebody is forcing you to pursue romance? 

Would you die if the game didn't have a romance? I wish more people talked about gameplay or story in this forum instead of who their virtual avatars can ****.

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ramnozack wrote...

Star fury wrote...

ramnozack wrote...

I wonder if Bioware can make a game now without having to have some romance or sex scene in it. These are RPGs, not dating sims. Its kind of ridiculous IMO how serious people take these things, like its some major part of the game.


Somebody is forcing you to pursue romance? 

Would you die if the game didn't have a romance? I wish more people talked about gameplay or story in this forum instead of who their virtual avatars can ****.


I repeat - Somebody is forcing you to pursue romance? Yes, no. 

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Star fury wrote...

ramnozack wrote...

Star fury wrote...

ramnozack wrote...

I wonder if Bioware can make a game now without having to have some romance or sex scene in it. These are RPGs, not dating sims. Its kind of ridiculous IMO how serious people take these things, like its some major part of the game.


Somebody is forcing you to pursue romance? 

Would you die if the game didn't have a romance? I wish more people talked about gameplay or story in this forum instead of who their virtual avatars can ****.


I repeat - Somebody is forcing you to pursue romance? Yes, no. 

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Gaider said in the contentious thread that he locked that romances
were an important part of the game.
He also threatened to ban players from the BSN who harassed others over this issue. Just a friendly reminder.
I find the dating sim characterisations offensive. DA romance fans don't want DA to become a dating sim and Bioware has no intentions of making it into one. So enough of the dating sim nonsense.

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[quote]zMataxa wrote...

So a quarter of DA players pursue romance in some form. That's one impressive number.[/quote]
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No.
A quarter of those who opted to take part started a romance...note the word started..something that can also easily happen with a misclick or misunderstanding (looking at you Anders!)

So that's significantly less than a quarter, becaue many don't partake in such surveys/telemetry

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Wait I thought that 24% was of people who started a romance with a party member of the same sex? Unless I totally read that wrong.

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zMataxa wrote...

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Wow.  Where did that energy come from?  Where did it come from?  (Normally I would not write like that - but I'm just reflecting back your energy.)
I don't remember having any prior conversations with you on this matter, or any matter that would trigger such an unfriendly reaction.

Reason?  Whenever I write something - I have a reason and underlying rationale.

I think it needs to be clairified how the telemetry data is transmitted.
I have stated clearly in previous threads that I am deeply interested in how the data was collected.
Therein will lie clues.
If they mainly got online achievement players, DLC players and MP, then by the very nature of those products it tends to attract subsets of people.
You may not agree with that - perhaps thinking every male and female has the same tastes and likes?
Different subsets have different habits.  Like some read books and not as likely to be social about it ergo no telemetry data. 
But I suspect with your prior post,You and ME are just have agree to disagree.
I'm fine with that.


I apologize for coming off harshly. That wasn't my intention.

But you give no actual reasoning for why turning off telemetry or simply winding up with it off would have an effect on that percentage.

The way telemetry works, for DA at least, is that people who log in with the game get it sent. You have to manually decide to not do so, or if you play offline (possibly with a console, since it could be argued a smaller percentages of consoles have internet connections than computers). They did not merely collect data from "DLC players" or "MP players" (which doesn't even exist with DA).

There is no habit tied to liking romances (same-sex romances, to further restrict) that results in choosing to NOT send telemetry data. That's just not how it works.

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Star fury wrote...

You need anger management course.


Lol! Okay.

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David Gaider wrote...

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Not trying to go ot, but will you release more news on weather effects?


Eventually, maybe. Certainly never in a thread that has nothing to do with weather effects-- and which the existence of romances or cinematic scenes could not possibly affect.


David, David, while I grant that's true, you must take into account making the earth move.

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

zMataxa wrote...

So a quarter of DA players pursue romance in some form. That's one impressive number.


No.
A quarter of those who opted to take part started a romance...note the word started..something that can also easily happen with a misclick or misunderstanding (looking at you Anders!)


I don't really buy this. There was a giant bloody heart symbol over all dialogue options that led to romance. It would take one hell of a misunderstanding to not see the romantic intent in a large pink heart, let alone the actual lines.

I think calling them "sex scenes" is a bit strange. "romance scenes" fits far better, as they only actually show the romantic parts of the secenes and everything else is blacked out. 

Modifié par EJ107, 18 octobre 2013 - 01:51 .


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EJ107 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

zMataxa wrote...

So a quarter of DA players pursue romance in some form. That's one impressive number.


No.
A quarter of those who opted to take part started a romance...note the word started..something that can also easily happen with a misclick or misunderstanding (looking at you Anders!)


I don't really buy this. There was a giant bloody heart symbol over all dialogue options that led to romance. It would take one hell of a misunderstanding to not see the romantic intent in a large pink heart, let alone the actual lines.

I think calling them "sex scenes" is a bit strange. "romance scenes" fits far better, as they only actually show the romantic parts of the secenes and everything else is blacked out. 


Gaider's percentage was for DAO. No giant heart symbols there. 

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ramnozack wrote...

Star fury wrote...

ramnozack wrote...

Star fury wrote...

ramnozack wrote...

I wonder if Bioware can make a game now without having to have some romance or sex scene in it. These are RPGs, not dating sims. Its kind of ridiculous IMO how serious people take these things, like its some major part of the game.


Somebody is forcing you to pursue romance? 

Would you die if the game didn't have a romance? I wish more people talked about gameplay or story in this forum instead of who their virtual avatars can ****.


I repeat - Somebody is forcing you to pursue romance? Yes, no. 

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Romances are optional you don't have to pursue one but for those who do want to pursue a romance. One of the reasons Biowares games are so popular is the fact that they have a romance option, most RPG's don't have this option or if they do they don't go into depths like Skyrim or Dragon's Dogma both great games but they just aren't as personal as a game were your character has a distinctive personality, friends, enemies and lovers.

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Gaider's percentage was for DAO. No giant heart symbols there. 


That's true, but the percentages we received from telemetry for DA2 were consistent with what we received from DAO. That particular number was simply the highest, insofar as same-sex romance went. My point in that presentation was to comment on the idea that there aren't people out there who want to use that type of content-- there are, and even if half of those who started the romances did so accidentally... heck, even if two-thirds did so... it's still a significant number.

And those people arguing about the veracity of telemetry data should really stop. Statistically, having a polling group in the millions makes it more than relevant-- most polls are based on percentages far lower than that, and the group we're dealing with is not self-selecting in any way (such as fans who hang out on the BSN) unless you can actually demonstrate that those without internet connections or those who deliberately opt out of telemetry as a group have some kind of consistent play preference.

The data is more than good. The only thing one needs to resist is trying to read the reasoning behind figures being as they are-- the best thing they're good for is looking at the patterns that emerge. We tend to not use them as proof of why something should or shouldn't be done ("only X% did that? Then we should cut it from the game!"). Options in a game such as ours, after all, have an inherent value even to those who only select one and not the other-- so if 90% of people took one of two options available, that means we should perhaps look at why the less-chosen option was unattractive and not "we should not offer that option".

From what I've ever been able to tell, fans who argue about telemetry are generally just seeking confirmation bias, nothing more.

ramnozack wrote...
I wonder if Bioware can make a game now
without having to have some romance or sex scene in it. These are RPGs,
not dating sims. Its kind of ridiculous IMO how serious people take
these things, like its some major part of the game.


Sure, because fans who obsess over parts of the game that don't include romances don't exhibit the same levels of doggedness or take everything about it as SERIOUS BUSINESS. ;)

I'd suggest that, if romances don't interest you, you don't go into a romance thread and start insulting others. Start your own thread about whatever you do like, and squee about it instead.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
A quarter of those who opted to take part started a romance...note the word started..


It's not that significant. In a place like the BSN, where it's considered normal for people to have not only finished the game but played it repeatedly, fans are generally horrified to discover just how different people in general play their game. The number of people who finish the game even once is in the minority, and thus the amount who finish something that takes a significant chunk of the game to complete would lead to a skewed figure if you were to take that as an indication of overall interest.

Modifié par David Gaider, 18 octobre 2013 - 02:36 .


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ramnozack wrote...

Would you die if the game didn't have a romance? I wish more people talked about gameplay or story in this forum instead of who their virtual avatars can ****.


I can't help saying I find this comment incredibly ironic.

Are you dying because the game has romances, even if they're an insignificant, completely optional part of the game, and you can actually play it as if such a mechanic didn't even exist?

I wish people talked about other things more often, too. However, the world doesn't move around my wishes, and people are in no way obligated to like the same things I do, in the same degrees I like them, not are their tastes in any way inferior to mine.

David Gaider has already stated over and over that romances will remain as they are, optional. No, they won't make it a bigger part of the game, and no, they won't remove them either, no matter what anyone says. That sounds good for me. Isn't it bloody enough for you?

And I'm sorry if I sound heated, but it just irks me how so many people don't stop about how much they dislike something, and how since they don't like it and they're are the ultimate judges of quality it must suck, and therefore, anyone who does like it also suck.

Please, I beg you. Everyone stop the hate.

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Please, I beg you. Everyone stop the hate.


If the idea of coming to a fan forum and seeing fans talk about a part of the game that they are intensely interested in drives you nuts because it's not what you're interested in-- then either start your own topics or go elsewhere. If you simply can't, and feel compelled to go into threads devoted to those topics and insult other fans, then an exit will be provided for you.

Consider yourselves duly warned.

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

A quarter of those who opted to take part started a romance...note the word started..something that can also easily happen with a misclick or misunderstanding (looking at you Anders!)

There is no way to start a romance with Anders over a 'misunderstanding.' You either click the heart icon or you don't.

Unless you're suggesting there's a statistically significant number of gamers who don't understand what a heart icon means while in a conversation with a character who is showing romantic interest.

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Wait I thought that 24% was of people who started a romance with a party member of the same sex? Unless I totally read that wrong.

Yes. Which makes me wonder how many started a romance arc with a PC of the opposite-sex. I'd assume it's a larger number.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 18 octobre 2013 - 02:54 .