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[Wulfram]

David Gaider wrote...

From what I've ever been able to tell, fans who argue about telemetry are generally just seeking confirmation bias, nothing more.

Some of us just like to poke at interesting numbers.  And the most interesting numbers are the ones that go against what you expect

That the 24% isn't out of line with DA2 numbers is a good way to see that it's not substantially down to ninjamances, thanks.

[Star fury]

One thing I know for sure is that anti-romance fanatics are equally as bad as romance fanatics.

[Star fury]

[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...

[quote]zMataxa wrote...

So a quarter of DA players pursue romance in some form. That's one impressive number.[/quote]
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No.
A quarter of those who opted to take part started a romance...note the word started..something that can also easily happen with a misclick or misunderstanding (looking at you Anders!)

So that's significantly less than a quarter, becaue many don't partake in such surveys/telemetry

[/quote]

Impressive grasping at straws. I knew somebody would do it.

[Dutchess]

David Gaider wrote...

renjility wrote...
Gaider's percentage was for DAO. No giant heart symbols there. 

That's true, but the percentages we received from telemetry for DA2 were consistent with what we received from DAO. That particular number was simply the highest, insofar as same-sex romance went. My point in that presentation was to comment on the idea that there aren't people out there who want to use that type of content-- there are, and even if half of those who started the romances did so accidentally... heck, even if two-thirds did so... it's still a significant number.

Ah, I see. I find it a bit surprising that DA2's numbers matched that. I had the impression that flirt "accidents" were quite common in DAO, whereas DA2 leaves no question about what you're going to say in that regard. Zevran's massage seemed to surprise people.

[David Gaider]

Star fury wrote...
No.
A quarter of those who opted to take part started a romance...note the word started..something that can also easily happen with a misclick or misunderstanding (looking at you Anders!)

So that's significantly less than a quarter, becaue many don't partake in such surveys/telemetry

Impressive grasping at straws. I knew somebody would do it.

Perhaps you should take a look at what I posted before you accuse someone else of "grasping at straws".

[David Gaider]

renjility wrote...
Zevran's massage seemed to surprise people.

I think reports of Zevran's "ninjamance" with regards to the masssage are similar to how everyone who killed Leliana in DAO also cut off her head: exaggerated for effect on the Internet.

[Dutchess]

krul2k wrote...

whats this "ninjamance" then? some sort of class out of jade empire?

Choosing a response that unknowingly activates the romance of a companion in DAO.

[Dutchess]

krul2k wrote...

mmm never encountered it then, must be stealthy

Most flirt/romance lines are pretty obvious, but I guess a few can be seen as just being nice. I've accidentally triggered Alistair's romance with one of those, because I thought the other options seemed rather cold. I have had no problems with the other companions.

[quickthorn]

I intended to romance Leliana from the start with my mage playthrough, but at one point I had to reject both Zevran and Alistair and make a choice. I didn't even recall that character flirting with either, although admittedly I've played that character sporadically.

[Knight of Dane]

I sort of got into a ninjamance with Zevran in DA:O on my first playthrough. At some point in the game Zevran flirted with my character and what I guessed was the most diplomatic turn down showed to be more romance related.

From then on, when I approached him he would start off with a sort of flirtingly smirk and "Mhmmm?" which I just thought was part of his charcter (which it might as well have been) and I just assumed we were buddies.

Then in Redcliffe castle just before the final battle he gets all sobby and hands me an earring and asks about Leliana (whom I had actually been romancing)

I'm one of the people it didn't bug however, I thought it was kinda funny. But I felt bad for turning him down when he was there all crying and stuff just before the doom!

[archulysses17]

just dont do the "everyone has the same underwear thingy" in origins sex scenes and im fine..

[Sylvius the Mad]

David Gaider wrote...

I think reports of Zevran's "ninjamance" with regards to the masssage are similar to how everyone who killed Leliana in DAO also cut off her head: exaggerated for effect on the Internet.

With Leliana I think it's the randomness of the event that's important.  Since the death blow animation is outside the player's control, it could be true for any Warden who killed Leliana, even though it isn't true for every Warden who killed Leliana.

But I agree the Zevran ninjamancing is likely exaggerated.  I actually think it's easier to enter Leliana's romance arc by accident.

[zMataxa]

[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...
[quote]zMataxa wrote...
So a quarter of DA players pursue romance in some form. That's one impressive number.[/quote]
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No. (snip).
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I did not write that quote.
Please recheck your sources.

Modifié par zMataxa, 18 octobre 2013 - 06:14 .

[zMataxa]

David Gaider wrote...

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David, thank you for taking the time to detail and clarify Bioware's position re: the telemetry data.
I am ultra aware of my own motivations from the onset for looking for more clarification, and "confirmation bias" is the last of my concerns.
I realize this statistical clarification is likely as deep as should be posted on a public forum, so I leave this topic behind - satisified as I can be. I believe you kinda went above the call to duty to share that.  So, again Thank you.
Cheers.

[Ambeth]

At least in DA you don't end up having sex without any warning at all. To this day, I have no idea how talking to a half elf about language resulted in Geralt in bed with the half elf. Did I miss some innuendo? Was it a translation issue? Or did that really come out of nowhere? I may never know.

Also, I read that '24%' as being 'people that started (and maybe finished) a same-sex romance', too, not the total percentage of people that started (and perhaps finished) romances.

[daveliam]

Ambeth wrote...

Also, I read that '24%' as being 'people that started (and maybe finished) a same-sex romance', too, not the total percentage of people that started (and perhaps finished) romances.

That really doesn't make sense though because the original quote was about DA: O, in which there were only two same sex options.  So if you are insinuating that the quote means that 24% of the people who did same sex romances chose this one particular character, it's not really significant because it would mean that 76% chose the other one.......so what would be the point of that statement then?

I'm fairly confident that Gaider meant that 24% of the players who they received data from started a same sex relationship with this particular character (I'm assuming Leliana).  In face, I think he confirmed that.

[Dutchess]

Ambeth wrote...

At least in DA you don't end up having sex without any warning at all. To this day, I have no idea how talking to a half elf about language resulted in Geralt in bed with the half elf. Did I miss some innuendo? Was it a translation issue? Or did that really come out of nowhere? I may never know.

The last thing you say to her has someone to do with love.

[Angrywolves]

Actually things haven't gotten as heated in this thread as I thought they would .
Maybe David's warnings have discouraged the naysayers.
Maybe now that Perry has disclosed about the romances the naysayers realize their opposition to romances is a lost cause.
Nothing against Perry, he did a good job but I wish David aka Mr Gaider had done the romances disclosure because I like the way he explains things.
How can Gaider write stuff like that?
If I was doing DAI , I would have written it in its entirety first, then the artists, animators and others would do it, then if they had issues I might have to rewrite some small details to get past the problems, then the technical people would finish it, I would hope. All the writing he mentions in the twitter thread seems a rather spastic and frenetic way of doing things, but presumably I'm wrong.
I am a romance fan, as I've said.
Presumably there will be dlc at some point. Some naysayers suggested restricting romances to dlcs.

[Knight of Dane]

Angrywolves wrote...

Actually things haven't gotten as heated in this thread as I thought they would .
Maybe David's warnings have discouraged the naysayers.
Maybe now that Perry has disclosed about the romances the naysayers realize their opposition to romances is a lost cause.
Nothing against Perry, he did a good job but I wish David aka Mr Gaider had done the romances disclosure because I like the way he explains things.
How can Gaider write stuff like that?
If I was doing DAI , I would have written it in its entirety first, then the artists, animators and others would do it, then if they had issues I might have to rewrite some small details to get past the problems, then the technical people would finish it, I would hope. All the writing he mentions in the twitter thread seems a rather spastic and frenetic way of doing things, but presumably I'm wrong.
I am a romance fan, as I've said.
Presumably there will be dlc at some point. Some naysayers suggested restricting romances to dlcs.

Seriously, everytime I see one of your posts, constructed this way, I feel like singing it out.

[Angrywolves]

But I wonder if there's a possibility of adding additional romances through dlcs. Why not ? I'm not suggesting it but MOTA would have made more sense as to why Hawke helps Tallis if it had had a real romance, as opposed to just flirting and the suggestion of one.
Yes might infuriate some folks even more, but I brought it up anyway.
Mischevious smile.