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[Iakus]

On the Foundation series and continuing the games.

Warning:  Breaking Bad spoiler inside (obviously, given the title):

http://www.complex.c...er-white-moment

Modifié par iakus, 14 octobre 2013 - 05:51 .

[KwangtungTiger]

Mac Walter's rebuttal to fans who hated the ending........

youtu.be/uIA1_I9t4yg

[Chashan]

Now, this here:

Well, I can’t get into details, but the idea is that we have agreed to tell a story that doesn’t relate necessarily to any of the Shepard events at all, whatsoever. Beyond that, that’s what we’ve been deciding for awhile. But throughout it all, one of the key things is that it has to be Mass Effect. It can’t just feel like a spin-off. It has to feel like a Mass Effect game at its heart, at its core. Just without the Shepard character or the Shepard specific companions.

as well as this:

And I think that’s one of the things we really underestimated, which was how much ownership people would take over a character that they could do that. You know, you’ve been given free choice to make all these decisions with this character, with the fates of millions of people, and then, you don’t get to choose your own fate. And I’m not saying that our decision was wrong or right. I think we just underestimated the impact that would have on certain players. To be fair, I get people, especially at the Cons, who will say, “I loved it. It was heart-wrenching, but I felt it was right for my Shepard.” And to me, that’s why it was the right path. But because there was no choice, it was going to be right for some people, and for others, in the middle, and other people were obviously very upset about it. In hindsight, I don’t think there was anything we would have changed about that, but it is a really good lesson learned.

points at least somewhat in the right direction, as well as the man himself realizing what one of the core issues people had was. It of course remains to be seen whether the lesson learned will indeed be applied to the next game, then.

Modifié par Chashan, 14 octobre 2013 - 06:24 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I'd wager to say he's still one of the most... controversial single persons in the Video Game Industry. His response about ME3 was pretty typical of what he's been saying. Although I do wonder how many people told him the ending was bad.

[dreamgazer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

I'd wager to say he's still one of the most... controversial single persons in the Video Game Industry. His response about ME3 was pretty typical of what he's been saying. Although I do wonder how many people told him the ending was bad.

Plenty, I'm sure, but he's also heard legitimate compliments, too.

[P. Domi]

Comparing the writing in the last season/episodes of Breaking Bad to ME 3 Priority Earth + Citadel writing... I can't comprehend what goes through that privileged mind of his. The central issue of the cricism is not happy vs. sad ending, it's more complex than that.

[Bruce M. Shepard]

^Someone close to him needs to do us all a great favor and make him aware of this.

[Han Shot First]

Well, I can’t get into details, but the idea is that we have agreed to tell a story that doesn’t relate necessarily to any of the Shepard events at all, whatsoever.

Hmmm...my interest level just went down a bit.

It sounds as if he is talking about either a prequel or alternate universe setting if it has no connection whatsoever to the events of the first three games. If it was set later in the timeline presumably there would at least be some reference to the events of the first trilogy.

[Deverz]

I feel like directing the fan-rage just at the main character's death is extremely misguided. Anyone with perfunctory knowledge of Mass Effect's lore knows it performed story seppuku during those last 10 minutes.

Sometimes I want to believe they know what they did wrong, but articles like this don't really fill me with optimism.

[TheWerdna]

pablodomi wrote...

Comparing the writing in the last season/episodes of Breaking Bad to ME 3 Priority Earth + Citadel writing... I can't comprehend what goes through that privileged mind of his. The central issue of the cricism is not happy vs. sad ending, it's more complex than that.

As much as am still pissed over the ending, I think he was trying to get across the difference between the last season of Breaking Bad and the ME3 Ending. He brought it up as saying that with Breaking Bad, the audiance really had no ownership over the character, and thus it worked. While in ME3, he and the rest of the team didn't expect the whole "character ownership" would cause an issue...

[JamieCOTC]

It's not just Mac Walters, but "seems" to be a cultural problem w/ the much of the ME team in general, especially w/ the leads. They seemingly don't get (or don't care about) the importance of  "character ownership."  Yes, it's an illusion, but it's an important one in a game like Mass Effect. Casey Hudson said almost the exact same thing 5 months ago. "We underestimated how attached people would become to the characters." What's really strange is that the Dragon Age team is very much aware of the character attachment and we know the ME team borrows from the DA team and vise versa. It really boggles my mind that this happened especially since it was a trilogy. Shepard dying wasn't the core problem of the ending (to me), but having a better choice at the end could not have hurt.

[Obadiah]

pablodomi wrote...

Comparing the writing in the last season/episodes of Breaking Bad to ME 3 Priority Earth + Citadel writing... I can't comprehend what goes through that privileged mind of his. The central issue of the cricism is not happy vs. sad ending, it's more complex than that.

This is what happens when Devs don't read the forums.

Modifié par Obadiah, 14 octobre 2013 - 10:56 .

[dgcatanisiri]

Deverz wrote...

I feel like directing the fan-rage just at the main character's death is extremely misguided. Anyone with perfunctory knowledge of Mass Effect's lore knows it performed story seppuku during those last 10 minutes.

Sometimes I want to believe they know what they did wrong, but articles like this don't really fill me with optimism.

Right, the complaints were not about 'Shepard died,' at least at their core. They were about (to degrees varying by individual) a) inadequate closure with the various companions over the series,  a logic mess of the ending discussion, and c) the lack of variation in the endings. If all he took away from the blow up about the endings was that 'people were upset about Shepard dying,' then he's very much missed the points.

[Steelcan]

screw him and his crappy comics

[In Exile]

It sounds like he doesn't get the complaints. Some people didn't like the Shepard died part of the ending.. but that's not where a lot of the rage about the ending was concentrated. Memes like the "sending synthetics to kill you to save you from being killed by synthetics" has nothing to do with Shepard living or dying.

[billy the squid]

 

Lol, Walters making a comparison to Breaking Bad what a utter pillock, I'm sure there's an evolution like there is in Breaking Bad, from naive beginner to ruthless drug lord.... oh wait, there's not. We just spend 2 games pissing about and then someone pulls a machine out the hat to solve the problem which ends in red, green or blue. Pffffft. Shep is still a Mary Sue, everyone is a moron or carpet chewing crazy villain and the Alliance and Council have sat with their thumbs up their arse for God knows how long, to be concluded with some asinine ending about synthetics and organic races.

The endings were symptomatic of the larger issue with the entire series from ME1 onward, that the story wasn't planned and had holes all over the place.

Modifié par billy the squid, 14 octobre 2013 - 11:19 .

[Iakus]

TheWerdna wrote...

As much as am still pissed over the ending, I think he was trying to get across the difference between the last season of Breaking Bad and the ME3 Ending. He brought it up as saying that with Breaking Bad, the audiance really had no ownership over the character, and thus it worked. While in ME3, he and the rest of the team didn't expect the whole "character ownership" would cause an issue...

To me, though that should be RPG Writing 101

My Shepard =/= Your Shepard.

I mean, better late than never is all fine and all, but still...

[Iakus]

Steelcan wrote...

screw him and his crappy comics

BTW, did you catch the line that pretty much confirms Brooks is going to be in all the Foundation comics?

[GreyLycanTrope]

iakus wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

screw him and his crappy comics

BTW, did you catch the line that pretty much confirms Brooks is going to be in all the Foundation comics?

Meh, I think we all figured that out by the second issue anyway.

[spirosz]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

say they are surprised at how much people cared about the characters, anyways.

I don't understand this. 

[Steelcan]

iakus wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

screw him and his crappy comics

BTW, did you catch the line that pretty much confirms Brooks is going to be in all the Foundation comics?

unfortunately

[ruggly]

Interesting.