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[Star fury]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Eamon is a traditionalist, the thought of the daughter of a former peasant holding the throne must be almost unbearable to him.

Yeah, that's why he supports Anora on the throne with either Alistair or Cousland.

[Dave of Canada]

Star fury wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Eamon is a traditionalist, the thought of the daughter of a former peasant holding the throne must be almost unbearable to him.

Yeah, that's why he supports Anora on the throne with either Alistair or Cousland.

He isn't happy if Cousland takes the throne and he's only truly happy when Alistair claims the throne solo (he's indifferent about Alistair/Anora). He wants to be the puppeteer behind Alistair.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 16 octobre 2013 - 06:39 .

[Bfler]

Trista Hawke wrote...

My elf was dumped by Alistair so she basically decided to kill herself.

Typical real life reaction of a young woman.

[9TailsFox]

Trista Hawke wrote...

My elf was dumped by Alistair so she basically decided to kill herself.

Most logical reason so far.

[Star fury]

My Warden didn't want to die tbh. So he never ever chose the Ultimate Sacrifice.

[Star fury]

Bfler wrote...

Typical real life reaction of a young woman.

Typical real life reaction of a young man too. Good thing she also didn't have a baby from Alistair. 

[nightscrawl]

Medhia Nox wrote...

It's interesting that a large group of women(though maybe just female avatars and not actual women?) are so comfortable using a child as part of a magical plot.

What if the Old God consumed the original soul of the baby instead of the tainted Archdaemon consuming the Grey Warden?  There's no point arguing it... it's just conjecture, but if the Old God can inhabit such an early stage of pregnancy - there's no reason to believe mortal souls "don't" inhabit their new "bodies" at the same stage on Thedas.

I'm just mildly disturbed that people seem so casual about using childbirth to serve their own plans. Not outraged, or appalled or even surprised - just... weirded out a bit.

Heh, even Morrigan says that at that point it can hardly even be called a "child" when you are questioning her.

Part of the problem with the decision in general, no matter the sex of the Warden, is that there is a lack of immediate consequence. There are so many ways that the final battle can go bad that the problems of (at least) nine months in the future seem small by comparison.

And also, you know, it's a collection of pixels; even less since these pixels aren't even born. When DAO was released there was no indication that there would be a sequel, or even a series of games (many players have incorrectly conflated the ME3 trilogy with Dragon Age), so I don't find it surprising that the mind set was for the current game and the fate of the Warden only.

Finally, I know that some people really like this whole "Old God Baby" thing, but it has never held much interest for me. I use the DR as a plot tool, and that's all.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 16 octobre 2013 - 12:12 .

[TurretSyndrome]

nightscrawl wrote...
Finally, I know that some people really like this whole "Old God Baby" thing, but it has never held much interest for me. I use the DR as a plot tool, and that's all.

As good a reason as any, if you ask me. But as you can see from this thread, there's quite a bit of interest from people, including myself to see what kind of heavy consequences await in the future for putting a lot of thought on the choice and having made it. It probably won't play as large a role as we ask for, which is disappointing for me.

[Fardreamer]

The DR is kind of a once in a millennium type of opportunity. It almost seems like a huge loss to not go through with it. This is the only way to bring about a untainted soul of an Old God. The only way is after an archdemon has been slain. Circumstances had to aline almost perfectly for to even be a choice. To just say "Thanks, but no thanks" to Morrigan is painful from fantasy standpoint.

That said I'm going to find it very difficult to choose which ending to import into DA:I... I like Redeemer, DR, and US... They are all fitting in some shape or form.

[maliluka]

Before I lost my files and having to start another play through to save for DAI... the one that did the US was a circle mage who had romanced Zevran would not have even thought to ask Alistair to sleep with someone he obviously hated. She had no qualms with the dark magic, but she had too much respect for her friend and the person she just busted her ass for to put on the throne. She also knew that come hell or high water that she was never going back to the tower after finally being free, so to make sure that there was no surprises at the end she left Alistair at the gates, Needless to say the funeral service was very touching.

Modifié par maliluka, 16 octobre 2013 - 03:55 .

[Reznore57]

Fardreamer wrote...

The DR is kind of a once in a millennium type of opportunity. It almost seems like a huge loss to not go through with it. This is the only way to bring about a untainted soul of an Old God. The only way is after an archdemon has been slain. Circumstances had to aline almost perfectly for to even be a choice. To just say "Thanks, but no thanks" to Morrigan is painful from fantasy standpoint.

That said I'm going to find it very difficult to choose which ending to import into DA:I... I like Redeemer, DR, and US... They are all fitting in some shape or form.

True.
At this point , I'm just curious about the Old God and what is supposed to happen ...
And sadly there's a lot of metagaming reasons the US seems less interesting to me now , it's a choice which worked really well during one game , but then you have Awakening /DLC (and all the problem with importing a US warden).
I will probably keep the DR on my main character , and make a special sacrifial warden save with the DA keep.

[Dave of Canada]

Imported US Warden just means the Warden-Commander of Orlais was responsible, it's only problematic if you went into Morrigan's mirror.

[Reznore57]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Imported US Warden just means the Warden-Commander of Orlais was responsible, it's only problematic if you went into Morrigan's mirror.

You can't import a dead warden in Awakening,no?
If you wanted to import your US save , your warden was brought back to life?
The DA keep should solve this , but I don't think the Orlesian warden work really well with the story , with Witch Hunt and the whole "The warden and Hawke have disappeared " in DA2.

[Br3admax]

Reznore57 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Imported US Warden just means the Warden-Commander of Orlais was responsible, it's only problematic if you went into Morrigan's mirror.

You can't import a dead warden in Awakening,no?
If you wanted to import your US save , your warden was brought back to life?
The DA keep should solve this , but I don't think the Orlesian warden work really well with the story , with Witch Hunt and the whole "The warden and Hawke have disappeared " in DA2.

The Warden they are talking about is the Orlesian one. BioWare's own story involves the Orlesian Warden doing Awakening, so I think it does work and fit into BioWare's plot quite well and will in the future. What you are sitting is just a case of oversite in development, not the actual story. 

[Itkovian]

The reason why my warden went for the Ultimate Sacrifice is thus:

Firstly, the Dark Ritual is an unknown that still theoretically safeguards the existence of one of the Old Gods, which are generally not benevolent entities (and this is even assuming they are no longer corrupted Archdemons, which is far from certain). Secondly, it puts this creature at the mercy of thoroughly untrustworthy individuals (the simple fact Morrigan never told us about the obvious reason she joined the party in the first place proves this).

Secondly, by NOT doing the ritual, we ensure the Archdemon's total destruction, which brings us one step closer to ending the Blights forever. It is clear, definite progress, as opposed to a more nebulous achievement should the Dark Ritual be performed (see above).

My character judges these points as compelling enough reasons to undertake the Ultimate Sacrifice. Because my character took the Warden words seriously: In War, Victory. In Peace, Vigilance. In Death, Sacrifice.

So yeah, US was the only reasonable option for my character, and I never regret taking it in my playthroughs.

Thank you.

Itkovian

[Br3admax]

Itkovian wrote...

The reason why my warden went for the Ultimate Sacrifice is thus:

Firstly, the Dark Ritual is an unknown that still theoretically safeguards the existence of one of the Old Gods, which are generally not benevolent entities (and this is even assuming they are no longer corrupted Archdemons, which is far from certain). Secondly, it puts this creature at the mercy of thoroughly untrustworthy individuals (the simple fact Morrigan never told us about the obvious reason she joined the party in the first place proves this).

Your definition of trustoworthy is very weird, considering that every party member keeps secrets. Every single one of them. A lot of them are more extreme than removing the plot twist that the PC can die. 

Secondly, by NOT doing the ritual, we ensure the Archdemon's total destruction, which brings us one step closer to ending the Blights forever. It is clear, definite progress, as opposed to a more nebulous achievement should the Dark Ritual be performed (see above).

Again not true, as seen during Legacy. There are no definites.

My character judges these points as compelling enough reasons to undertake the Ultimate Sacrifice. Because my character took the Warden words seriously: In War, Victory. In Peace, Vigilance. In Death, Sacrifice.

It's a little weird that one becomes attached to a creed from an organization that they just joined, but that's more of my opinion. I'm also not going to just kill myself to fullfil the words of the ignorant. The original Grey Wardens worshipped the Old Gods. I doubt that if they thought that they could save them, they would kill them instead. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 16 octobre 2013 - 05:07 .

[Tootles FTW]

I originally didn't trust Morrigan's offer so resigned myself in doing the US, then Alistair had to ninja-kill the Archdemon to spare my life and I couldn't reload fast enough to shove his butt in bed with Morrigan. I was happy with my ending at the end of the day, so I regret nothing.

Modifié par Tootles FTW, 16 octobre 2013 - 05:44 .

[HurricaneGinger]

Two of my Wardens did it because there are only three Wardens left in Ferelden, and they needed to stay alive to rebuild the order.

Two others took Morrigan's offer because they were selfish and wanted to stay alive with their love interest.

The Warden that romanced Morrigan found out he wanted a life with her.

The one Warden who did not take the offer was due to her desire to end her own life. Being a Warden was too much for her.

[Shark17676]

As soon as Morrigan explained her plan, my Warden was all like, "Wow, Morrigan, that's the most twisted, evil, manipulative scheme I've ever heard. How about this instead?...Let me show you what true selflessness looks like."

[Vicious]

<--- took it because he loved Morrigan and trusted her, despite himself.

All my other Wardens told her to stick it because she was so damn vague.

in the end it was meaningless anyway. She didn't need it, as stated in Witch Hunt. Just a 'herald of what is to come' in DA:I i guess.

Modifié par Vicious, 16 octobre 2013 - 06:54 .

[Silfren]

Xilizhra wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Eamon's name makes me froth at the mouth.

He's such a good manipulator and I'm not even sure the writers intended for him to be one.

I don't much like him myself.  It's so disgusting the way he wants to use Alistair after treating the poor guy like sh*t most of his life, and then blathering on about responsibilities...after all that time spent beating it into Alistair's head that he would never, ever be eligible for royal responsibilities in the first place!

I might dislike him, were it not for the fact that Alistair has far more right to and yet doesn't. And he may have made mistakes in the past, but he's right enough about how Alistair could make a bid for the throne.

I don't let Alistair's opinion of a character affect mine, especially when it's clear that Alistair's issues stem from a sort of Daddy complex.  But really, getting into whether Eamon's right about Alistair having a claim to the throne is off-the-subject from what I was getting at, which is that Eamon is mostly interested in having Alistair on the throne because of the political advantage it will provide the arl, not because he necessarily thinks it's the best thing for Ferelden. 

Modifié par Silfren, 16 octobre 2013 - 07:04 .

[Silfren]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

I don't think Anora is a good ruler , at all.
First thing to happen when her husband die is a civil war ,riot at the alienages and she let her father cut off the Wardens from Ferelden.
She's lucky she still have a country to rule by the end of DA:O.

Well, I'd rather not get into this discussion too deeply.  What we think of Anora is kind of irrelevant.  The game tells us that she was an extremely popular leader, well liked by both the common folk and the nobility, for being a capable administrator.  I would agree that the game kind of contradicts this at various points, but again, this is kind of beside the point.  Also, what happened after the Battle of Ostagar was a unique situation Anora had not had to deal with, it doesn't necessarily reflect how capable she was under normal circumstances--even good rulers can find themselves facing an uphill battle when the nation is falling apart before their very eyes.

Or when the bannorn decide to start a civil war and not fall in line behind their queen and her regent...in this case, Loghain.

I think that was more due to Loghain's attempt to usurp the political process and actually thinking that the Bannorn would simply let him have his way with no question.  I think Anora's greatest failing here was putting too much faith in her father and not bringing him to heel at the start, which she certainly had the power and authority to do.  But I'm not really interested in triggering a 20 page discussion in this topic, lol, so that's all I'm gonna say about it.  :happy:

[Silfren]

TurretSyndrome wrote...

Silfren wrote...
No, not just anyone can be the monarch, but your argument kind of falls flat for your purpose here, because it is actually true that any member of the nobility with the right support could be considered for it.  Despite the fact that the Theirins have held the throne through inheritance, election by the Landsmeet is the law--and yes, it is true that Bryce Cousland was considered as an alternative to Cailan.

You're missing my point. If there is an heir to the throne, he/she will have that advantage, that's why I brought up Alistair's bloodline. Bryce Cousland was not considered an alternative to Cailan, it was just that a lot of people felt that he could be a better king than Cailan. Such a line of thought is only natural since Cailan is young and also acts foolish, while Bryce Cousland commands a lot of respect from the nobles and the general public. 

If Bryce Cousland wanted to stage a coup, he'd have a good bit of support, but he wouldn't as he's an honourable man and very loyal to the king.

Not to nitpic, but per the underlined portion, that's exactly what being considered an alternative to Cailan means. 

[Silfren]

Fardreamer wrote...

The DR is kind of a once in a millennium type of opportunity. It almost seems like a huge loss to not go through with it. This is the only way to bring about a untainted soul of an Old God. The only way is after an archdemon has been slain. Circumstances had to aline almost perfectly for to even be a choice. To just say "Thanks, but no thanks" to Morrigan is painful from fantasy standpoint.

That said I'm going to find it very difficult to choose which ending to import into DA:I... I like Redeemer, DR, and US... They are all fitting in some shape or form.

Well, they didn't exactly align perfectly on their own.  I've always found it kind of...interesting that Flemeth took advantage of Ostagar to make sure that only two Wardens would be available.  I can't help wondering if she...I dunno, influenced events behind the scenes somehow.  I just don't think it's entirely a coincidence that she was waiting to rescue two Wardens from certain death, and things just naturally fell into place to make it the perfect chance to take a stab at creating an OGB.