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[Silfren]

Reznore57 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Imported US Warden just means the Warden-Commander of Orlais was responsible, it's only problematic if you went into Morrigan's mirror.

You can't import a dead warden in Awakening,no?
If you wanted to import your US save , your warden was brought back to life?
The DA keep should solve this , but I don't think the Orlesian warden work really well with the story , with Witch Hunt and the whole "The warden and Hawke have disappeared " in DA2.

You actually can, but not officially.  It takes having a PC version of the game so you can pull up the console and cheat a little.  I just pulled up a Youtube tutorial on this last night. 

[Silfren]

Br3ad wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Imported US Warden just means the Warden-Commander of Orlais was responsible, it's only problematic if you went into Morrigan's mirror.

You can't import a dead warden in Awakening,no?
If you wanted to import your US save , your warden was brought back to life?
The DA keep should solve this , but I don't think the Orlesian warden work really well with the story , with Witch Hunt and the whole "The warden and Hawke have disappeared " in DA2.

The Warden they are talking about is the Orlesian one. BioWare's own story involves the Orlesian Warden doing Awakening, so I think it does work and fit into BioWare's plot quite well and will in the future. What you are sitting is just a case of oversite in development, not the actual story. 

Where is it said that "Bioware's own story" uses the Orlesian Warden??

[Medhia Nox]

Nothing Morrigan and Flemeth do is coincidental. They're both master manipulators who know FAR more than they let on.

"What" game they're playing remains to be seen - and it seems that Flemeth "might" have the upper hand in this round - but DA:I looks as if Morrigan is playing her hand.

[Silfren]

Tootles FTW wrote...

I originally didn't trust Morrigan's offer so resigned myself in doing the US, then Alistair had to ninja-kill the Archdemon to spare my life and I couldn't reload fast enough to shove his butt in bed with Morrigan. I was happy with my ending at the end of the day, so I regret nothing.

LOL...and all you had to actually do is leave him at the gates.  It's not necessary to do the DR to save him.  There's also a mod that lets you have a chance to knock him out if you bring him to the fort.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

You can't import a dead warden in Awakening,no?
If you wanted to import your US save , your warden was brought back to life?
The DA keep should solve this , but I don't think the Orlesian warden work really well with the story , with Witch Hunt and the whole "The warden and Hawke have disappeared " in DA2.

The Warden they are talking about is the Orlesian one. BioWare's own story involves the Orlesian Warden doing Awakening, so I think it does work and fit into BioWare's plot quite well and will in the future. What you are sitting is just a case of oversite in development, not the actual story. 

Where is it said that "Bioware's own story" uses the Orlesian Warden??

The Ultimate Sacrifice is the default decision going into DAIII if you don't import. Since Awakenings also seems to have decisions cooresponding to it in the story used for this default, of necessity the Orlesian Warden made them.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 16 octobre 2013 - 07:59 .

[Estelindis]

Silfren wrote...

've always found it kind of...interesting that Flemeth took advantage of Ostagar to make sure that only two Wardens would be available.  I can't help wondering if she...I dunno, influenced events behind the scenes somehow.  I just don't think it's entirely a coincidence that she was waiting to rescue two Wardens from certain death, and things just naturally fell into place to make it the perfect chance to take a stab at creating an OGB.

I honestly doubt that she had any role in Loghain's betrayal, but once it happened it made sense for her to make sure that at least a couple of Wardens, including at least one man, survived - assuming that the OGB really was her plan and Morrigan didn't just make up that part (because why would she - would we be more likely to trust the ritual because it's Flemeth's?).

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Nothing Morrigan and Flemeth do is coincidental. They're both master manipulators who know FAR more than they let on.

"What" game they're playing remains to be seen - and it seems that Flemeth "might" have the upper hand in this round - but DA:I looks as if Morrigan is playing her hand.

The truth can be more complex than that, as far as Morrigan is concerned. I'm inclined to believe her when she says that falling in love with the Warden (in such games as she does so) was not really part of the original plan.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 16 octobre 2013 - 08:12 .

[AlanC9]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Nothing Morrigan and Flemeth do is coincidental. They're both master manipulators who know FAR more than they let on.

I don't know where Morrigan gets that reputation. She doesn't try to maipulate people  often, and when she does she isn't very good at it.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

AlanC9 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Nothing Morrigan and Flemeth do is coincidental. They're both master manipulators who know FAR more than they let on.

I don't know where Morrigan gets that reputation. She doesn't try to maipulate people  often, and when she does she isn't very good at it.

She apparently manipulated some town guards into executing a Chasind man who figured out she was a witch. Whether or not you believe her on this one is up to you; we have only her words.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 16 octobre 2013 - 11:38 .

[aries1001]

I think David Gaider has confirmed (in the thread about the DA Keep) that the default worldstate for DA: Inquistion will be (for DA:Origins): Dalish female elf who's done the Ultimate Sacrifice, and thus the state for Awakenings will be: Orlesian Warden. And theDalish female has not done the Dark Ritual. [I think it was mentioned in one of the threads about the Game Informer news articles?]

As Gaider or Allan Schumacher? pointed out we do not know what the DR is or what is does...yet.

edit:
I mean, we do know, what it does. It makes it so that the soul of the Archdemon jumps into the baby/fetus which is in Morrigan's womb. We do not know the long term implication of this, however. It has been at least 10 years since we have seen Morrigan go through the looking glass, eh eluvian mirror, to where? a place beyond the Fade maybe? or being directly beamed up to the Citadel in ME3 and the starbaby is really Morrigan's OGB, but I'm digressing....

The point I'm trying to establish is this:
Morrigan has spent the last 10-12 years elsewhere; now she's in Orlais, her baby could be anywhere as well. And we simply at this time do not have valid information about what the long therm consequences of us doing the DR will be or would have been. I remember, though, and I could remember incorrectly that Gaider once said (here on the BSN or quoted from a conference) that the whole issue with Morrigan and the OGB would be resolved in DA: Inquisition. How this part of the DA story, is or will be resolved, is another issue/topic alltogether.

Modifié par aries1001, 16 octobre 2013 - 09:08 .

[Jamie9]

Ultimately, it comes down to whether you trust in Morrigan's moral compass... which is sketchy, to say the least. She believes power is everything.

To be hesitant of handing her a child with the potential power of an Old God seems natural to me. That's why I don't take the Dark Ritual.

I sacrifice Alistair, however, because Awakening doesn't let you import a US Warden. Frustrating! Admittedly, I find Alistair's sacrifice more heartfelt than the Warden's.

[BlazingSpeed]

[quote]Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

I don't like the US cause I can't import it into Awakening.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie][/quote]

Now you can 




[/quote]

Thanks for that link,

Modifié par BlazingSpeed, 16 octobre 2013 - 09:36 .

[TurretSyndrome]

 Glad to see you guys were able to find my video 

[Renmiri1]

I did the Ultimate Sacrifice on my Dalish Warden, she had been relegated t be Alistair's mistress because the SOB didn't have the balls to marry an elf and she was pretty disgusted with it all so she decided to be the Warden to end the Blight and show those racists what elves are made of.

Made sense in that playthrough and was a very poignant ending. Morrigan got zip as she didn't get to bed alistair or Loghain.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 16 octobre 2013 - 10:08 .

[BlueMagitek]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Nothing Morrigan and Flemeth do is coincidental. They're both master manipulators who know FAR more than they let on.

"What" game they're playing remains to be seen - and it seems that Flemeth "might" have the upper hand in this round - but DA:I looks as if Morrigan is playing her hand.

I would like to think that how Morrigan's success goes is partially dependant on how you dealt with Flemeth (with it being much harder to accomplish if you didn't play *either* game, taking the book from Flemeth without killing her and then telling Morrigan). 

[Gwydden]

Silfren wrote...

Fardreamer wrote...

The DR is kind of a once in a millennium type of opportunity. It almost seems like a huge loss to not go through with it. This is the only way to bring about a untainted soul of an Old God. The only way is after an archdemon has been slain. Circumstances had to aline almost perfectly for to even be a choice. To just say "Thanks, but no thanks" to Morrigan is painful from fantasy standpoint.

That said I'm going to find it very difficult to choose which ending to import into DA:I... I like Redeemer, DR, and US... They are all fitting in some shape or form.

Well, they didn't exactly align perfectly on their own.  I've always found it kind of...interesting that Flemeth took advantage of Ostagar to make sure that only two Wardens would be available.  I can't help wondering if she...I dunno, influenced events behind the scenes somehow.  I just don't think it's entirely a coincidence that she was waiting to rescue two Wardens from certain death, and things just naturally fell into place to make it the perfect chance to take a stab at creating an OGB.

Morrigan knew there was a Blight comming long before the GW did. So yes, she's probably also part of the reason why the Fifth Blight ended so damn fast.

[Br3admax]

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Imported US Warden just means the Warden-Commander of Orlais was responsible, it's only problematic if you went into Morrigan's mirror.

You can't import a dead warden in Awakening,no?
If you wanted to import your US save , your warden was brought back to life?
The DA keep should solve this , but I don't think the Orlesian warden work really well with the story , with Witch Hunt and the whole "The warden and Hawke have disappeared " in DA2.

The Warden they are talking about is the Orlesian one. BioWare's own story involves the Orlesian Warden doing Awakening, so I think it does work and fit into BioWare's plot quite well and will in the future. What you are sitting is just a case of oversite in development, not the actual story. 

Where is it said that "Bioware's own story" uses the Orlesian Warden??

All the books and all of the comics. It is also the new default. The BioWare Warden was a Dalsih Female Elf who gave the Ultimate Sacrifice. Posible Alistairmance. I can't remember. 

[MisterJB]

Renmiri1 wrote...

I did the Ultimate Sacrifice on my Dalish Warden, she had been relegated t be Alistair's mistress because the SOB didn't have the balls to marry an elf and she was pretty disgusted with it all so she decided to be the Warden to end the Blight and show those racists what elves are made of.

Made sense in that playthrough and was a very poignant ending. Morrigan got zip as she didn't get to bed alistair or Loghain.

I'm certain they found the idea of an elf dying for their sake to be very agreeable.

[Br3admax]

Renmiri1 wrote...

I did the Ultimate Sacrifice on my Dalish Warden, she had been relegated t be Alistair's mistress because the SOB didn't have the balls to marry an elf and she was pretty disgusted with it all so she decided to be the Warden to end the Blight and show those racists what elves are made of.

Made sense in that playthrough and was a very poignant ending. Morrigan got zip as she didn't get to bed alistair or Loghain.

 He can't marry a commoner, much less a nonhuman. A king marrying an Elf is beyond political suicide. That's basically aking for suicide by assassination. 

[Nerevar-as]

Renmiri1 wrote...

I did the Ultimate Sacrifice on my Dalish Warden, she had been relegated t be Alistair's mistress because the SOB didn't have the balls to marry an elf and she was pretty disgusted with it all so she decided to be the Warden to end the Blight and show those racists what elves are made of.

Made sense in that playthrough and was a very poignant ending. Morrigan got zip as she didn't get to bed alistair or Loghain.

They probably thought nothing had been lost...

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Br3ad wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

I did the Ultimate Sacrifice on my Dalish Warden, she had been relegated t be Alistair's mistress because the SOB didn't have the balls to marry an elf and she was pretty disgusted with it all so she decided to be the Warden to end the Blight and show those racists what elves are made of.

Made sense in that playthrough and was a very poignant ending. Morrigan got zip as she didn't get to bed alistair or Loghain.

 He can't marry a commoner, much less a nonhuman. A king marrying an Elf is beyond political suicide. That's basically aking for suicide by assassination. 

Commoner might actually be doable under the right circumstances. It depends on what she did to get into everyone's good graces, her height and musculature, and the shape of her ears.

[KC_Prototype]

I didn't want to die and wanted to live in fame and glory.

[Br3admax]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

I did the Ultimate Sacrifice on my Dalish Warden, she had been relegated t be Alistair's mistress because the SOB didn't have the balls to marry an elf and she was pretty disgusted with it all so she decided to be the Warden to end the Blight and show those racists what elves are made of.

Made sense in that playthrough and was a very poignant ending. Morrigan got zip as she didn't get to bed alistair or Loghain.

 He can't marry a commoner, much less a nonhuman. A king marrying an Elf is beyond political suicide. That's basically aking for suicide by assassination. 

Commoner might actually be doable under the right circumstances. It depends on what she did to get into everyone's good graces, her height and musculature, and the shape of her ears.

No. The Landsmeet has to allow it, and I doubt that they would just let anyone become Queen of Fereldan. They already dislike that Loghain went from farmboy to the second most powerful person in Fereldan, or at least some nonsense about his common blood made the Maker turn Anora barren. How would they react to a commoner becoming royalty? 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Br3ad wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

 He can't marry a commoner, much less a nonhuman. A king marrying an Elf is beyond political suicide. That's basically aking for suicide by assassination. 

Commoner might actually be doable under the right circumstances. It depends on what she did to get into everyone's good graces, her height and musculature, and the shape of her ears.

No. The Landsmeet has to allow it, and I doubt that they would just let anyone become Queen of Fereldan. They already dislike that Loghain went from farmboy to the second most powerful person in Fereldan, or at least some nonsense about his common blood made the Maker turn Anora barren. How would they react to a commoner becoming royalty? 

Anora was a commoner at birth, I believe. And her father did less than the Warden did to earn his title. This makes her the best metric we have to answer your question.

Edit: Of course this is largely moot, since you're either a Cousland, a mage, or racially ineligible.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 17 octobre 2013 - 01:19 .