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[Shadow Fox]

Renmiri1 wrote...

I did the Ultimate Sacrifice on my Dalish Warden, she had been relegated t be Alistair's mistress because the SOB didn't have the balls to marry an elf and she was pretty disgusted with it all so she decided to be the Warden to end the Blight and show those racists what elves are made of.

Made sense in that playthrough and was a very poignant ending. Morrigan got zip as she didn't get to bed alistair or Loghain.

If he did it'd result in Alistair having to do what Bhelen did.

[BlueMagitek]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Anora was a commoner at birth, I believe. And her father did less than the Warden did to earn his title. This makes her the best metric we have to answer your question.

Edit: Of course this is largely moot, since you're either a Cousland, a mage, or racially ineligible.

What?

Loghain freed a nation and stopped a Blight.

[Ryzaki]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

 He can't marry a commoner, much less a nonhuman. A king marrying an Elf is beyond political suicide. That's basically aking for suicide by assassination. 

Commoner might actually be doable under the right circumstances. It depends on what she did to get into everyone's good graces, her height and musculature, and the shape of her ears.

No. The Landsmeet has to allow it, and I doubt that they would just let anyone become Queen of Fereldan. They already dislike that Loghain went from farmboy to the second most powerful person in Fereldan, or at least some nonsense about his common blood made the Maker turn Anora barren. How would they react to a commoner becoming royalty? 

Anora was a commoner at birth, I believe. And her father did less than the Warden did to earn his title. This makes her the best metric we have to answer your question.

Edit: Of course this is largely moot, since you're either a Cousland, a mage, or racially ineligible.

Also can't you take Loghain's lands at the end of the game and become a Tyern? (or however it's spelled).

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Anora was a commoner at birth, I believe. And her father did less than the Warden did to earn his title. This makes her the best metric we have to answer your question.

Edit: Of course this is largely moot, since you're either a Cousland, a mage, or racially ineligible.

What?

Loghain freed a nation and stopped a Blight.

I think the latter was over by the time he arrived, and he was sworn to secrecy with regards to it. (Unless you sacrificed him to the Archdemon. If so, it means the Warden gets credit for being the commanding officer, and also that Alistair wouldn't marry her in a million years.) Also, he earned his title with the former.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Ryzaki wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

No. The Landsmeet has to allow it, and I doubt that they would just let anyone become Queen of Fereldan. They already dislike that Loghain went from farmboy to the second most powerful person in Fereldan, or at least some nonsense about his common blood made the Maker turn Anora barren. How would they react to a commoner becoming royalty? 

Anora was a commoner at birth, I believe. And her father did less than the Warden did to earn his title. This makes her the best metric we have to answer your question.

Edit: Of course this is largely moot, since you're either a Cousland, a mage, or racially ineligible.

Also can't you take Loghain's lands at the end of the game and become a Tyern? (or however it's spelled).

Teryn. And yes.

[BlueMagitek]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

I think the latter was over by the time he arrived, and he was sworn to secrecy with regards to it. (Unless you sacrificed him to the Archdemon. If so, it means the Warden gets credit for being the commanding officer, and also that Alistair wouldn't marry her in a million years.) Also, he earned his title with the former.

Nope!  The Blight was still going when the showdown at Denerim happened.  Loghain is the one who killed the Archdemon and gets the snazzy tomb and memoirs written about him in the Anderfels.

Eh, Alistair is a bloody mess in this scenario.

[Gwydden]

I actually like Loghain, and I much rather have him living and doing something of use. I suspect that if he survives we'll see him as Warden Commander in Orlais.

The sheer irony of it.

[BlueMagitek]

You like him so much you damn him to Orlais. >_>"

[Silfren]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

You can't import a dead warden in Awakening,no?
If you wanted to import your US save , your warden was brought back to life?
The DA keep should solve this , but I don't think the Orlesian warden work really well with the story , with Witch Hunt and the whole "The warden and Hawke have disappeared " in DA2.

The Warden they are talking about is the Orlesian one. BioWare's own story involves the Orlesian Warden doing Awakening, so I think it does work and fit into BioWare's plot quite well and will in the future. What you are sitting is just a case of oversite in development, not the actual story. 

Where is it said that "Bioware's own story" uses the Orlesian Warden??

The Ultimate Sacrifice is the default decision going into DAIII if you don't import. Since Awakenings also seems to have decisions cooresponding to it in the story used for this default, of necessity the Orlesian Warden made them.

I assume you mean DAII, not three.  But anyway, just because that's the default state does NOT mean it's official canon.  I'm not really sure, but I always thought that the books and comics implied that the Hero of Ferelden survived, which would mean they did the DR---nevertheless, a default world state shouldn't be taken as an official canon.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

I think the latter was over by the time he arrived, and he was sworn to secrecy with regards to it. (Unless you sacrificed him to the Archdemon. If so, it means the Warden gets credit for being the commanding officer, and also that Alistair wouldn't marry her in a million years.) Also, he earned his title with the former.

Nope!  The Blight was still going when the showdown at Denerim happened.  Loghain is the one who killed the Archdemon and gets the snazzy tomb and memoirs written about him in the Anderfels.

Eh, Alistair is a bloody mess in this scenario.

Okay, I failed at getting my meaning across. The one that was "over by the time he arrived" was the Architect's plan to Taint the crap out of Thedas. But that's clearly not what you meant in the context of your reply, so forget it. Alistair not marrying her if she used Loghain still stands.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 17 octobre 2013 - 02:12 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Silfren wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

The Warden they are talking about is the Orlesian one. BioWare's own story involves the Orlesian Warden doing Awakening, so I think it does work and fit into BioWare's plot quite well and will in the future. What you are sitting is just a case of oversite in development, not the actual story. 

Where is it said that "Bioware's own story" uses the Orlesian Warden??

The Ultimate Sacrifice is the default decision going into DAIII if you don't import. Since Awakenings also seems to have decisions cooresponding to it in the story used for this default, of necessity the Orlesian Warden made them.

I assume you mean DAII, not three.  But anyway, just because that's the default state does NOT mean it's official canon.  I'm not really sure, but I always thought that the books and comics implied that the Hero of Ferelden survived, which would mean they did the DR---nevertheless, a default world state shouldn't be taken as an official canon.

Uh, no I meant III. Dragon Age II has several of these, only once of which is US.

As for official canon, there is none, and the non-game media is vague about what happened in their stories (I think.) What whoever you replied to (I forget who that is) meant was the default world state.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 17 octobre 2013 - 02:09 .

[Silfren]

Br3ad wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Imported US Warden just means the Warden-Commander of Orlais was responsible, it's only problematic if you went into Morrigan's mirror.

You can't import a dead warden in Awakening,no?
If you wanted to import your US save , your warden was brought back to life?
The DA keep should solve this , but I don't think the Orlesian warden work really well with the story , with Witch Hunt and the whole "The warden and Hawke have disappeared " in DA2.

The Warden they are talking about is the Orlesian one. BioWare's own story involves the Orlesian Warden doing Awakening, so I think it does work and fit into BioWare's plot quite well and will in the future. What you are sitting is just a case of oversite in development, not the actual story. 

Where is it said that "Bioware's own story" uses the Orlesian Warden??

All the books and all of the comics. It is also the new default. The BioWare Warden was a Dalsih Female Elf who gave the Ultimate Sacrifice. Posible Alistairmance. I can't remember. 

ALL the books?  There's only one book that takes place after Origins, and that's Asunder...but it never says anything explicit at all about the Warden.  Can't speak to the comics, but I thought they followed a similar format.

[Silfren]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

No. The Landsmeet has to allow it, and I doubt that they would just let anyone become Queen of Fereldan. They already dislike that Loghain went from farmboy to the second most powerful person in Fereldan, or at least some nonsense about his common blood made the Maker turn Anora barren. How would they react to a commoner becoming royalty? 

Anora was a commoner at birth, I believe. And her father did less than the Warden did to earn his title. This makes her the best metric we have to answer your question.

Edit: Of course this is largely moot, since you're either a Cousland, a mage, or racially ineligible.

Also can't you take Loghain's lands at the end of the game and become a Tyern? (or however it's spelled).

Teryn. And yes.

Teyrn, actually.  :innocent:

[Ryzaki]

LOL

Regardless if there was a Human Commoner origin I doubt he/she would still be a commoner by the end of the game.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Silfren wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Also can't you take Loghain's lands at the end of the game and become a Tyern? (or however it's spelled).

Teryn. And yes.

Teyrn, actually.  :innocent:

Close enough. 

[Silfren]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

The Warden they are talking about is the Orlesian one. BioWare's own story involves the Orlesian Warden doing Awakening, so I think it does work and fit into BioWare's plot quite well and will in the future. What you are sitting is just a case of oversite in development, not the actual story. 

Where is it said that "Bioware's own story" uses the Orlesian Warden??

The Ultimate Sacrifice is the default decision going into DAIII if you don't import. Since Awakenings also seems to have decisions cooresponding to it in the story used for this default, of necessity the Orlesian Warden made them.

I assume you mean DAII, not three.  But anyway, just because that's the default state does NOT mean it's official canon.  I'm not really sure, but I always thought that the books and comics implied that the Hero of Ferelden survived, which would mean they did the DR---nevertheless, a default world state shouldn't be taken as an official canon.

Uh, no I meant III. Dragon Age II has several of these, only once of which is US.

As for official canon, there is none, and the non-game media is vague about what happened in their stories (I think.) What whoever you replied to (I forget who that is) meant was the default world state.

I agree there's no official canon.  What was said was "Bioware's own story," which I took to mean it was assumed that Bioware had its own canon story.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Silfren wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

The Ultimate Sacrifice is the default decision going into DAIII if you don't import. Since Awakenings also seems to have decisions cooresponding to it in the story used for this default, of necessity the Orlesian Warden made them.

I assume you mean DAII, not three.  But anyway, just because that's the default state does NOT mean it's official canon.  I'm not really sure, but I always thought that the books and comics implied that the Hero of Ferelden survived, which would mean they did the DR---nevertheless, a default world state shouldn't be taken as an official canon.

Uh, no I meant III. Dragon Age II has several of these, only once of which is US.

As for official canon, there is none, and the non-game media is vague about what happened in their stories (I think.) What whoever you replied to (I forget who that is) meant was the default world state.

I agree there's no official canon.  What was said was "Bioware's own story," which I took to mean it was assumed that Bioware had its own canon story.

I assumed the opposite, but can see where it does suggest one.

[AresKeith]

Silfren wrote...

I agree there's no official canon.  What was said was "Bioware's own story," which I took to mean it was assumed that Bioware had its own canon story.

In a way they do have their own canon story, but its called "Biowares Canon" so it doesn't interfere with other players story

[Fardreamer]

You've always been able to import the US into Awakening with no cheating or console commands. You just import the epilogue save, and your warden is somehow brought back to life.

[Shadow Fox]

Fardreamer wrote...

You've always been able to import the US into Awakening with no cheating or console commands. You just import the epilogue save, and your warden is somehow brought back to life.

No it retcons it into the DR if you import an US.

[Gwydden]

BlueMagitek wrote...

You like him so much you damn him to Orlais. >_>"

I like him so much I damn him to live. Life is better than death, more often than not.

[Br3admax]

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Imported US Warden just means the Warden-Commander of Orlais was responsible, it's only problematic if you went into Morrigan's mirror.

You can't import a dead warden in Awakening,no?
If you wanted to import your US save , your warden was brought back to life?
The DA keep should solve this , but I don't think the Orlesian warden work really well with the story , with Witch Hunt and the whole "The warden and Hawke have disappeared " in DA2.

The Warden they are talking about is the Orlesian one. BioWare's own story involves the Orlesian Warden doing Awakening, so I think it does work and fit into BioWare's plot quite well and will in the future. What you are sitting is just a case of oversite in development, not the actual story. 

Where is it said that "Bioware's own story" uses the Orlesian Warden??

All the books and all of the comics. It is also the new default. The BioWare Warden was a Dalsih Female Elf who gave the Ultimate Sacrifice. Posible Alistairmance. I can't remember. 

ALL the books?  There's only one book that takes place after Origins, and that's Asunder...but it never says anything explicit at all about the Warden.  Can't speak to the comics, but I thought they followed a similar format.

You are aware that DA:O had a comic, yes? Also, I believe Gaider has spoken on it before, but if you don't believe me, you can always just ask him. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 17 octobre 2013 - 02:44 .

[Br3admax]

Ryzaki wrote...

LOL

Regardless if there was a Human Commoner origin I doubt he/she would still be a commoner by the end of the game.

Grey Wardens are lower than commoners, remember?(We already had this discussion, I think it ended with the HoF having some type of identity crisis or something)

[Gwydden]

Silfren wrote...

I agree there's no official canon.  What was said was "Bioware's own story," which I took to mean it was assumed that Bioware had its own canon story.

David Gaider's stated that BioWare's default for books/comics/DAI is a female dalish who performed the US.

[Ryzaki]

Br3ad wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

LOL

Regardless if there was a Human Commoner origin I doubt he/she would still be a commoner by the end of the game.

Grey Wardens are lower than commoners, remember?(We already had this discussion, I think it ended with the HoF having some type of identity crisis or something)

And I pointed out the Cousland being a obvious exception. (Thus it leads to the belief that all the wardens are exceptions since they can gain lands of their own outside Amarthine in particular Loghain's lands). Unless you think he/she would've lost his/her lands and title if Fergus had remained dead? The warden can be a chancellor, a bann, or a teyrn. That is not being lower than a commoner in any way shape or form.

Edit: Yeah forgot Queen/King wasn't actually Queen/King again so I edited out Queen Cousland my bad.  I blame Teagan. The title bit still applies for the Human Noble in general though. He/she isn't any less of a lord/lady in game.

Not to mention the Anderfel Wardens practically running their country. The grey warden's aren't supposed to have titles and are supposed to be neutral but as in most things there are exceptions. It's far more likely to be dependant on the warden him/herself and the country that chooses to give him/her status and influence.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 octobre 2013 - 03:13 .