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[Gwydden]

Reaverwind wrote...

I felt it was a horrific thing to do to an unborn child, and wanted no part of it.

Why? What is so horrific about it? It's simple and pretty regular procreation, with a bit of reencarnation involved.

[Mr.House]

Xilizhra wrote...

Not only do I not want to die, I don't want Urthemiel to die either. The Old Gods are as much victims of the Blight as we are; just because it's a big scary dragon thing doesn't mean I won't save a soul from annihilation if possible.

What?

[GreyLycanTrope]

nvm.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 15 octobre 2013 - 01:47 .

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Not only do I not want to die, I don't want Urthemiel to die either. The Old Gods are as much victims of the Blight as we are; just because it's a big scary dragon thing doesn't mean I won't save a soul from annihilation if possible.

Hey Wulfie, I didn'y know you liked Control too!?

[Gwydden]

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Not only do I not want to die, I don't want Urthemiel to die either. The Old Gods are as much victims of the Blight as we are; just because it's a big scary dragon thing doesn't mean I won't save a soul from annihilation if possible.

What?

Man, Urthemiel is the god of like, Beauty. How dangerous can he be ?

[Nefla]

My warden's who did the US did so because they didn't trust Morrigan's child not to be born as something even worse than an archdemon and unnecessarily endanger the world. One life is a small price to pay for the guaranteed end to the blight's evil. Though I admit, one of my wardens did the US to spite Alistair for breaking up with her.

[Gwydden]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Not only do I not want to die, I don't want Urthemiel to die either. The Old Gods are as much victims of the Blight as we are; just because it's a big scary dragon thing doesn't mean I won't save a soul from annihilation if possible.

So we rid the world of the blight and they can get back to trying to eat us like civilized dragons. Sounds like a plan.

Seriously, the Old Gods never showed any predispositio to eating people. They just liked to be worshipped and were pretty generous with their gifts in exchange for just that.

[DeinonSlayer]

It's relatively simple. Why drop a bunch of hints throughout the game about a living Warden's whereabouts and actions? This course of action is the most "hands-off" they could have taken, and will likely show the most contrast with an imported game.

[Mr.House]

Gwydden wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Not only do I not want to die, I don't want Urthemiel to die either. The Old Gods are as much victims of the Blight as we are; just because it's a big scary dragon thing doesn't mean I won't save a soul from annihilation if possible.

So we rid the world of the blight and they can get back to trying to eat us like civilized dragons. Sounds like a plan.

Seriously, the Old Gods never showed any predispositio to eating people. They just liked to be worshipped and were pretty generous with their gifts in exchange for just that.

I must have missed the fact how the old gods got mages to sacerfice a buttload of slaves so they could enter the golden city.

[Gwydden]

Mr.House wrote...

I must have missed the fact how the old gods got mages to sacerfice a buttload of slaves so they could enter the golden city.

Again...

Considering how Dumat came out of that stunt, he either:

Is stupid.
Didn't know what stepping into the Black City would do.

Wasn't really the one who told the magisters to go there, and they were tricked.


So there's really no reason to believe the Old Gods are evil.

Modifié par Gwydden, 15 octobre 2013 - 01:52 .

[Steelcan]

Mr.House wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Not only do I not want to die, I don't want Urthemiel to die either. The Old Gods are as much victims of the Blight as we are; just because it's a big scary dragon thing doesn't mean I won't save a soul from annihilation if possible.

So we rid the world of the blight and they can get back to trying to eat us like civilized dragons. Sounds like a plan.

Seriously, the Old Gods never showed any predispositio to eating people. They just liked to be worshipped and were pretty generous with their gifts in exchange for just that.

I must have missed the fact how the old gods got mages to sacerfice a buttload of slaves so they could enter the golden city.

allegedly

[Pistolized]

The ritual is super shady, as others have said.

You have a plan concocted by a deceitful and possible-abomination witch who has possessed several generations of her own daughters, and gleefully tortures and murders templars and probably all other trespassers. Then after deciding she is too evil to live and you kill her like the monster she is, her daughter comes to you and says:

"Hey, I want to do some ancient and forbidden magic to save the essence of the archdemon, and everything will be OK. How evil and forbidden is it, you ask? Don't worry about it. Will it work, and therefore stop the blight, you ask? Sure it will, trust me. Its a good plan because my mother came up with it. And I won't answer any questions. Look, it will work out in the end, I totally promise, but I won't tell you why or how. Also, I'm taking the baby (infused with one of the most powerful and unpredictable beings to ever exist) to raise alone. I dislike children and have poor and under-developed social skills, but its cool, don't worry about it. OK lets do it already stop asking questions."

I won't trust the fate of the world to that.

[Reaverwind]

Gwydden wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

I felt it was a horrific thing to do to an unborn child, and wanted no part of it.

Why? What is so horrific about it? It's simple and pretty regular procreation, with a bit of reencarnation involved.

What happens to it after conception is anything but. I only wished I could have driven her out of the room when she made the proposal, instead of just letting her walk out.

[TurretSyndrome]

Ryzaki wrote...

My US wardens pick it because it's the one tried and tested way of ending a blight. That and they don't trust Morrigan as far as they can throw Shale.

That and some of them have little else to live for (particularly the human nobles) so they see it as a means to have their legacy and family name live on despite it being nearly or completely destroyed.

Edit: Also the warden did need a army to fight the archedemon true. But the archedemon also had a army. Soloing an army is idiocy.

You're not forging a blade, you're sacrificing a life. To hear you say that you will do so as the method has been tested and verified before, is like hearing a Templar only wishing to force Tranquility on Mages just because it works.

Killing the Warden, Alistair or Loghain simply because you are suspicious of Morrigan and/or her ritual's success and consequences is not reason enough to take a life, not to me atleast, but I can understand if you do not feel that way.

 If your suspicions are about the ritual's success, then the Warden would be the first to know. An unsuccessful/no ritual means a dead warden.

Modifié par TurretSyndrome, 15 octobre 2013 - 01:53 .

[Gwydden]

Pistolized wrote...

The ritual is super shady, as others have said.

You have a plan concocted by a deceitful and possible-abomination witch who has possessed several generations of her own daughters, and gleefully tortures and murders templars and probably all other trespassers. Then after deciding she is too evil to live and you kill her like the monster she is, her daughter comes to you and says:

"Hey, I want to do some ancient and forbidden magic to save the essence of the archdemon, and everything will be OK. How evil and forbidden is it, you ask? Don't worry about it. Will it work, and therefore stop the blight, you ask? Sure it will, trust me. Its a good plan because my mother came up with it. And I won't answer any questions. Look, it will work out in the end, I totally promise, but I won't tell you why or how. Also, I'm taking the baby (infused with one of the most powerful and unpredictable beings to ever exist) to raise alone. I dislike children and have poor and under-developed social skills, but its cool, don't worry about it. OK lets do it already stop asking questions."

I won't trust the fate of the world to that.

It's likely that Morrigan was lying about the whole body swapping thing. Why would she tell part of the truth for the ritual, then? Because it actually involves the Warden.

[Mr.House]

Steelcan wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Not only do I not want to die, I don't want Urthemiel to die either. The Old Gods are as much victims of the Blight as we are; just because it's a big scary dragon thing doesn't mean I won't save a soul from annihilation if possible.

So we rid the world of the blight and they can get back to trying to eat us like civilized dragons. Sounds like a plan.

Seriously, the Old Gods never showed any predispositio to eating people. They just liked to be worshipped and were pretty generous with their gifts in exchange for just that.

I must have missed the fact how the old gods got mages to sacerfice a buttload of slaves so they could enter the golden city.

allegedly

There's nothing allegedly about it. Whatever this cuased the darkspawn is up for debate, however the old gods sending mages to the "golden city" has been comfirmed, you can however debate if it was the true cause of the darkspawn or not. That does not change the fact old gods got mages to commit na act that passes the evi line that then twisted said mages into power monsters.

Modifié par Mr.House, 15 octobre 2013 - 01:56 .

[Steelcan]

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Not only do I not want to die, I don't want Urthemiel to die either. The Old Gods are as much victims of the Blight as we are; just because it's a big scary dragon thing doesn't mean I won't save a soul from annihilation if possible.

So we rid the world of the blight and they can get back to trying to eat us like civilized dragons. Sounds like a plan.

Seriously, the Old Gods never showed any predispositio to eating people. They just liked to be worshipped and were pretty generous with their gifts in exchange for just that.

I must have missed the fact how the old gods got mages to sacerfice a buttload of slaves so they could enter the golden city.

allegedly

There's nothing allegedly about it. Whatever this cuased the darkspawn is up for debate, however the old gods sending mages to the "golden city" has been comfirmed, you can however debate if it was the true cause of the darkspawn or not. That does not change the fact old gods got mages to commit na act that passes the evi line that then twisted said mages into power monsters.

SCANDALOUS  LIES MEANT TO SLANDER THE GOOD NAME OF MAGES

[Gwydden]

Reaverwind wrote...

What happens to it after conception is anything but. I only wished I could have driven her out of the room when she made the proposal, instead of just letting her walk out.

The "child" that just got formed doesn't have a soul. It isn't a person yet. You're basically putting Urthemiel into a soulles body.

[Gwydden]

Mr.House wrote...

There's nothing allegedly about it. Whatever this cuased the darkspawn is up for debate, however the old gods sending mages to the "golden city" has been comfirmed, you can however debate if it was the true cause of the darkspawn or not. That does not change the fact old gods got mages to commit na act that passes the evi line that then twisted said mages into power monsters.

Err... no. All it's confirmed is that the magisters thought the Old Gods wanted them to enter the Black City for who knows why. It's likely that either the magisters or the Old Gods (or both) were tricked, since the Black City exploding eventually resulted in the OG being tainted, going mad and getting killed, all against their will.

Modifié par Gwydden, 15 octobre 2013 - 02:01 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Xilizhra wrote...

Not only do I not want to die, I don't want Urthemiel to die either. The Old Gods are as much victims of the Blight as we are; just because it's a big scary dragon thing doesn't mean I won't save a soul from annihilation if possible.

You do realize that it is very likely the old gods not only started the blight, but are the ones directing the taint from their prisons.

[Reaverwind]

Gwydden wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

What happens to it after conception is anything but. I only wished I could have driven her out of the room when she made the proposal, instead of just letting her walk out.

The "child" that just got formed doesn't have a soul. It isn't a person yet. You're basically putting Urthemiel into a soulles body.

I strongly disagree.

[Gwydden]

Reaverwind wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

What happens to it after conception is anything but. I only wished I could have driven her out of the room when she made the proposal, instead of just letting her walk out.

The "child" that just got formed doesn't have a soul. It isn't a person yet. You're basically putting Urthemiel into a soulles body.

I strongly disagree.

No way we'll agree then. Thanks for listening anyway.

[Gwydden]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Not only do I not want to die, I don't want Urthemiel to die either. The Old Gods are as much victims of the Blight as we are; just because it's a big scary dragon thing doesn't mean I won't save a soul from annihilation if possible.

You do realize that it is very likely the old gods not only started the blight, but are the ones directing the taint from their prisons.

Sooooo... they planned to get tainted and killed? How masochistic is that?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Mr.House wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Not only do I not want to die, I don't want Urthemiel to die either. The Old Gods are as much victims of the Blight as we are; just because it's a big scary dragon thing doesn't mean I won't save a soul from annihilation if possible.

So we rid the world of the blight and they can get back to trying to eat us like civilized dragons. Sounds like a plan.

Seriously, the Old Gods never showed any predispositio to eating people. They just liked to be worshipped and were pretty generous with their gifts in exchange for just that.

I must have missed the fact how the old gods got mages to sacerfice a buttload of slaves so they could enter the golden city.

allegedly

There's nothing allegedly about it. Whatever this cuased the darkspawn is up for debate, however the old gods sending mages to the "golden city" has been comfirmed, you can however debate if it was the true cause of the darkspawn or not. That does not change the fact old gods got mages to commit na act that passes the evi line that then twisted said mages into power monsters.

To be honest it may not be true when corry mention dumat he didn't mention other old gods they even don't have to be that same some of them would be nice other not but well blame go on their side after and i can bet that most peoples don't know what is happening or no one know that.I doubt somehow that all old gods were "evil" .  

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Not
only do I not want to die, I don't want Urthemiel to die either. The
Old Gods are as much victims of the Blight as we are; just because it's a
big scary dragon thing doesn't mean I won't save a soul from
annihilation if possible.

You do realize that it is very
likely the old gods not only started the blight, but are the ones
directing the taint from their prisons.

well they were tainted what makes them ax crazy now the soul isn't corrupted what was point of ritual at least if morrigan is trustworthy.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 15 octobre 2013 - 02:06 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Gwydden wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I must have missed the fact how the old gods got mages to sacerfice a buttload of slaves so they could enter the golden city.

Again...

Considering how Dumat came out of that stunt, he either:

Is stupid.
Didn't know what stepping into the Black City would do.

Wasn't really the one who told the magisters to go there, and they were tricked.


So there's really no reason to believe the Old Gods are evil.

For your heavily biased view maybe. Easy to claim the old gods aren't even when you decide to remove it from the possibility in favor of the old gods having brain damage or being impersonated. 

Why the need to defend them?