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[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

and the answer to that is JJ Abrahams star trek

Just reboot the damn thing and don't **** up again

(laughs)

Tell that to all the Trekkies who think Abrams ruined the franchise with terrible writing and plot holes.

I was referring to the concept not the execution

I'm aware. There's no predicting execution, though, nor is there any predicting the gleeful scorn of a fanbase.

[Vortex13]

StreetMagic wrote...

Usually I'm good at brainstorming possibilities, but I have no clue where they're going. They make it sound completely out of left field and disconnected.. like so out of left field it's in a different universe and they don't even have Mass Relays yet. I'm waiting for the day they stop being needlessly mysterious. I'd like to know the actual premise.

I agree with this. 

Another poster said that ME:Next could pull a JJ Abrams Star Trek, reboot, but that won't really work if Bioware is going to completly ignore the evets of the previous games. 

An alternate universe might work, but if  you are going to have an alternate setting WITHOUT the reference to the Reaper War and/or that  Reapers don't exist in the alternate reality, then you won't have any Mass Relays, or the Citadel, or Mass Effect technology, since all of those were created by the Reapers., and all of those are delay with by Shepard at the end of  ME 3. 

Now I would personally like to see the Reapers again; with a better implemented motivation; but even ignoring my preferences, I can't see how a ME without mentioning of the Reapers (and by exstention Shepard) can still be considered a Mass Effect game, since all of the settings foundational framework (FTL travel, centralized galactic government, etc.) are dependent on the Reapers being present.

[dreamgazer]

Would people consider a game that takes place in the far, far future with all the races, tech, and attitude of Mass Effect to be an "alternate universe" or "reboot"? It essentially would be.

[KwangtungTiger]

dreamgazer wrote...

Would people consider a game that takes place in the far, far future with all the races, tech, and attitude of Mass Effect to be an "alternate universe" or "reboot"? It essentially would be.

How would you link all 3 endings?

[crimzontearz]

dreamgazer wrote...

Would people consider a game that takes place in the far, far future with all the races, tech, and attitude of Mass Effect to be an "alternate universe" or "reboot"? It essentially would be.

nope, far far future acknowledges the existence, validity and canon of a previous installment thus that is not a reboot

[crimzontearz]

KwangtungTiger wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Would people consider a game that takes place in the far, far future with all the races, tech, and attitude of Mass Effect to be an "alternate universe" or "reboot"? It essentially would be.

How would you link all 3 endings?

Deus Ex style

[Vortex13]

dreamgazer wrote...

Would people consider a game that takes place in the far, far future with all the races, tech, and attitude of Mass Effect to be an "alternate universe" or "reboot"? It essentially would be.

A game set in the far, far future wouldn't be Mass Effect as we know it either though. Unless you view the technology and species of the setting to be stagnant (like Star Wars or WH40K) then any game taking place in the far, far future would be unreconizable to what came previously. 

Kinda like an RPG set on Earth in 8,000 BC and then having the following title be set 10,000 years in the future. At that point it's not really the same setting anymore.

[clarkusdarkus]

Why would i invest in a new hero when they thought leaving the other one under some rubble was a smart idea, Mac just isnt for me and by the time it comes out i'm hoping we'll know alot more about Cyberpunk 2077 as that will be my space opera fix. ME with casey & mac along with a gears producer and being made by the ME3 MP team really doesnt excite me one bit. More RPG elements, Less cover shooting and more open world is what ME needs to get back too.

[dreamgazer]

KwangtungTiger wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Would people consider a game that takes place in the far, far future with all the races, tech, and attitude of Mass Effect to be an "alternate universe" or "reboot"? It essentially would be.

How would you link all 3 endings?

A mixture of avoidance and adaptation, really. BioWare's pretty good at marginalizing choices. With the right creative mind to make the Reapers disappear, give a plausible answer to the geth question, and somehow make it make sense that Synthesis has come and gone, they'd be in business.

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Would people consider a game that takes place in the far, far future with all the races, tech, and attitude of Mass Effect to be an "alternate universe" or "reboot"? It essentially would be.

nope, far far future acknowledges the existence, validity and canon of a previous installment thus that is not a reboot

Then Abrams' Trek isn't a reboot, either.

[crimzontearz]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Why would i invest in a new hero when they thought leaving the other one under some rubble was a smart idea, Mac just isnt for me and by the time it comes out i'm hoping we'll know alot more about Cyberpunk 2077 as that will be my space opera fix. ME with casey & mac along with a gears producer and being made by the ME3 MP team really doesnt excite me one bit. More RPG elements, Less cover shooting and more open world is what ME needs to get back too.

QFT

[KwangtungTiger]

dreamgazer wrote...

KwangtungTiger wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Would people consider a game that takes place in the far, far future with all the races, tech, and attitude of Mass Effect to be an "alternate universe" or "reboot"? It essentially would be.

How would you link all 3 endings?

A mixture of avoidance and adaptation, really. BioWare's pretty good at marginalizing choices. With the right creative mind to make the Reapers disappear, give a plausible answer to the geth question, and somehow make it make sense that Synthesis has come and gone, they'd be in business.

We both know the forums would be a fire storm.

And synthesis would by far be the hardest to just avoid and adapt into the story.

Modifié par KwangtungTiger, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:58 .

[crimzontearz]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Would people consider a game that takes place in the far, far future with all the races, tech, and attitude of Mass Effect to be an "alternate universe" or "reboot"? It essentially would be.

nope, far far future acknowledges the existence, validity and canon of a previous installment thus that is not a reboot

Then Abrams' Trek isn't a reboot, either.

Spock going back in time erased his own timeline, its validity, canon and existence end the very moment the romulans start making changes, thus it is a reboot

[dreamgazer]

KwangtungTiger wrote...

We both know the forums would be a fire storm.

And synthesis would by far be the hardest to just avoid and adapt into the story.

Who cares? The forum will be a firestorm anyway.

One of the lessons they probably learned is not to listen too carefully to bitter, destructive "fans" who set them up for failure, no matter what they do. Wise move, in my opinion. Just do your thing.

[crimzontearz]

KwangtungTiger wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

KwangtungTiger wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Would people consider a game that takes place in the far, far future with all the races, tech, and attitude of Mass Effect to be an "alternate universe" or "reboot"? It essentially would be.

How would you link all 3 endings?

A mixture of avoidance and adaptation, really. BioWare's pretty good at marginalizing choices. With the right creative mind to make the Reapers disappear, give a plausible answer to the geth question, and somehow make it make sense that Synthesis has come and gone, they'd be in business.

We both know the forums would be a fire storm.

And synthesis would by far be the hardest to just avoid and adapt into the story.

I already proven this to be wrong, but you are right, the BSN would be less than happy

[Skvindt]

CynicalShep wrote...

SRX wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

I'm cautiously curious about the direction they want to take with this, since they pretty much already said that it won't happen after the Reaper war and it won't include any of the cast.

Parallel universe without Shepard, Reapers, old crew and stuff.  I hope.

Unlikely, given that they'll have the ME races/places in the next game. I think the reason they're so ambiguous and cryptic about it is that they don't really know what they're doing yet, either. 

Maybe parallel universe was the wrong term.  I meant the same ME universe in the sense of the Geth, Turians, etc. existing but with Shepard and the Reapers stripped from the story.  You'd still have the mass relays but tweak the lore to suggest the Protheans really did in fact build them instead of the Reapers.  But I admit it would be rather confusing for players trying to seperate the 'new' modified lore from the old if they went that route.  If that makes any sense.

Modifié par SRX, 15 octobre 2013 - 04:02 .

[Steelcan]

I have yet to hear a single statement about ME:Next that excites me in any way.

we have Montreal developing who made the technical wonder that was Omega...


We have Walters the (crappy) comic book writer as lead again. The better writers are off the project, Dumbrow is at Irrational, Weekes is on DA.

Give us SOMETHING that doesn't make me want to drop the game before I even know what its about. So far I do not see the makings of success.

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

Spock going back in time erased his own timeline, its validity, canon and existence end the very moment the romulans start making changes, thus it is a reboot

So? It was acknowledged and treated as a canon jumping-off point, therefore the things that happened in that universe still happened.

[crimzontearz]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Spock going back in time erased his own timeline, its validity, canon and existence end the very moment the romulans start making changes, thus it is a reboot

So? It was acknowledged and treated as a canon jumping-off point, therefore the things that happened in that universe still happened.

So is the death of Bruce Wayne's parents or the demise of Krypton in every superman/batman reboot...your point?

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Spock going back in time erased his own timeline, its validity, canon and existence end the very moment the romulans start making changes, thus it is a reboot

So? It was acknowledged and treated as a canon jumping-off point, therefore the things that happened in that universe still happened.

So is the death of Bruce Wayne's parents or the demise of Krypton in every superman/batman reboot...your point?

False equivalency. Abrams' Trek directly associated with the universe where that all takes place.

[CynicalShep]

@crimsontearz
Time does fly pretty fast. Maybe they're working on the engine or the game won't come out in 2.5 years like originally planned. I just think they would have given us a better idea if they had their story/intentions nailed down

[Vortex13]

[quote]SRX wrote...

[quote]CynicalShep wrote...

[quote]SRX wrote...

Maybe parallel universe was the wrong term.  I meant the same ME universe in the sense of the Geth, Turians, etc. existing but with Shepard and the Reapers stripped from the story.  You'd still have the mass relays but tweak the lore to suggest the Protheans really did in fact build them instead of the Reapers.  But I admit it would be rather confusing for players trying to seperate the 'new' modified lore from the old if they went that route.  If that makes any sense.

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That could work, but then you would run into the problem of older players trying to sort out the new lore from the old one, like you said. 

Not only that, but if the Reapers didn't exist and it was all the Prothean's doing, why are they all wiped out for the 'New Continuity' to take place? If the Protheans truly did build all the Mass Relays and the Citadel, then why are they all dead? And if they are not all dead then how could we still have all of the iconic races still present in a recognizable form since if the Protheans were still alive, everyone would be dead or a servant of the Prothean Empire?

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote...

KwangtungTiger wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Would people consider a game that takes place in the far, far future with all the races, tech, and attitude of Mass Effect to be an "alternate universe" or "reboot"? It essentially would be.

How would you link all 3 endings?

Deus Ex style

Eww.

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

KwangtungTiger wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Would people consider a game that takes place in the far, far future with all the races, tech, and attitude of Mass Effect to be an "alternate universe" or "reboot"? It essentially would be.

How would you link all 3 endings?

Deus Ex style

Eww.

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