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[dreamgazer]

CynicalShep wrote...

@crimsontearz
Time does fly pretty fast. Maybe they're working on the engine or the game won't come out in 2.5 years like originally planned. I just think they would have given us a better idea if they had their story/intentions nailed down

They probably have a time period, but no actual story quite yet.  I don't think they even have a lead writer.

Choosing when means they can do some preliminary design work without the plot hammered out.

[PinkysPain]

The whole "agreed" thing sounds to me he had some trouble getting his way with ME4.

Suits are sensitive to short term trends and it's unlikely the suits have not noticed two tripple AAA titles being prequels recently were not very successful (the two GoWs, God of War: Ascension and Gears of War: Judgement). Obviously the strong ME3 sales have given the team enough political clout to push their own ideas through, but it might come back to haunt them.

In my opinion writers like prequels a whole lot more than gamers and the evidence currently is on my side ... if they team pushes through a prequel any way (or a mid/interquel) and it doesn't do well enough I wouldn't be surprised to see some changes afterwards in Bioware.

[Skvindt]

Vortex13 wrote...

SRX wrote...

Maybe parallel universe was the wrong term.  I meant the same ME universe in the sense of the Geth, Turians, etc. existing but with Shepard and the Reapers stripped from the story.  You'd still have the mass relays but tweak the lore to suggest the Protheans really did in fact build them instead of the Reapers.  But I admit it would be rather confusing for players trying to seperate the 'new' modified lore from the old if they went that route.  If that makes any sense.

That could work, but then you would run into the problem of older players trying to sort out the new lore from the old one, like you said. 

Not only that, but if the Reapers didn't exist and it was all the Prothean's doing, why are they all wiped out for the 'New Continuity' to take place? If the Protheans truly did build all the Mass Relays and the Citadel, then why are they all dead? And if they are not all dead then how could we still have all of the iconic races still present in a recognizable form since if the Protheans were still alive, everyone would be dead or a servant of the Prothean Empire?

They could rewrite and formulate new reasons for that as well.  But again, it would be a problem trying to separate the new lore from the old.

[dreamgazer]

Personally, I'm in the "Mass Effect: The Next Generation" mindset. I'd prefer that they'd just canonize Destroy, move ahead a century and start anew, but things aren't quite that easy.

Find a way to establish a new cast with familiar races, tech, and atmosphere without really addressing how ME3 ended. It'll allow the enduring critics the opportunity to hold onto their angst while still possibly drawing them into another game (if they can "trust" BioWare again), while allowing the people who were tolerant of the original endings the ability to keep their outlook on what happened.

[essarr71]

One wonders why they dont just make an ME-style game in a new IP. But my enthusiasm is short on them doing something thatll interest me.

Just funny to me that theyll shout how great the MEU is, while also saying theyre not going to reference it at all.

[crimzontearz]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Spock going back in time erased his own timeline, its validity, canon and existence end the very moment the romulans start making changes, thus it is a reboot

So? It was acknowledged and treated as a canon jumping-off point, therefore the things that happened in that universe still happened.

So is the death of Bruce Wayne's parents or the demise of Krypton in every superman/batman reboot...your point?

False equivalency. Abrams' Trek directly associated with the universe where that all takes place.

yes and immediately discarded it as the timeline ended, so, a reboot

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Spock going back in time erased his own timeline, its validity, canon and existence end the very moment the romulans start making changes, thus it is a reboot

So? It was acknowledged and treated as a canon jumping-off point, therefore the things that happened in that universe still happened.

So is the death of Bruce Wayne's parents or the demise of Krypton in every superman/batman reboot...your point?

False equivalency. Abrams' Trek directly associated with the universe where that all takes place.

yes and immediately discarded it as the timeline ended, so, a reboot

Have you not seen Into Darkness? They again address the previous timeline.

Look, I'm mostly playing by your rules here. I think it's a reboot, but I think reboots can communicate with previous time periods in superficial ways.

[crimzontearz]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Spock going back in time erased his own timeline, its validity, canon and existence end the very moment the romulans start making changes, thus it is a reboot

So? It was acknowledged and treated as a canon jumping-off point, therefore the things that happened in that universe still happened.

So is the death of Bruce Wayne's parents or the demise of Krypton in every superman/batman reboot...your point?

False equivalency. Abrams' Trek directly associated with the universe where that all takes place.

yes and immediately discarded it as the timeline ended, so, a reboot

Have you not seen Into Darkness? They again address the previous timeline.

Look, I'm mostly playing by your rules here. I think it's a reboot, but I think reboots can communicate with previous time periods in superficial ways.

I have...a reboot would, for instance not affect figures of prominence like Benezia or, in our case, Khan

[Iakus]

Guys, as far as we know, there's no time travel in the ME universe. So I highly doubt an aged Garrus will be going back in time and trigger a whole new universe.

If it's AU, there will be ZERO connections to the previous trilogy. And I for one am fine with that idea.

[KwangtungTiger]

dreamgazer wrote...

Personally, I'm in the "Mass Effect: The Next Generation" mindset. I'd prefer that they'd just canonize Destroy, move ahead a century and start anew, but things aren't quite that easy.

Find a way to establish a new cast with familiar races, tech, and atmosphere without really addressing how ME3 ended. It'll allow the enduring critics the opportunity to hold onto their angst while still possibly drawing them into another game (if they can "trust" BioWare again), while allowing the people who were tolerant of the original endings the ability to keep their outlook on what happened.

This would in 'Fact" be a safer bet instead trying to merge all 3. Destroy ending did seem to be the more popular choice.

[crimzontearz]

iakus wrote...

Guys, as far as we know, there's no time travel in the ME universe. So I highly doubt an aged Garrus will be going back in time and trigger a whole new universe.

If it's AU, there will be ZERO connections to the previous trilogy. And I for one am fine with that idea.

that was not the crux of our discussion

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote...

yes and immediately discarded it as the timeline ended, so, a reboot

I guess that's true. "Reboot" is used for continuity rewrites whether they hapoen in-universe or not.

[PinkysPain]

Canonizing a colour would kill the artistic integrity of the ending ...

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

iakus wrote...

Guys, as far as we know, there's no time travel in the ME universe. So I highly doubt an aged Garrus will be going back in time and trigger a whole new universe.

If it's AU, there will be ZERO connections to the previous trilogy. And I for one am fine with that idea.

that was not the crux of our discussion

Yeah, it was kind of a tangent really, but I'm alright with that. 

A distant-future reboot, however, would have some faint connection to the original MEU.

[CynicalShep]

[quote]Vortex13 wrote...

[quote]SRX wrote...

[quote]CynicalShep wrote...

[quote]SRX wrote...

Maybe parallel universe was the wrong term. I meant the same ME universe in the sense of the Geth, Turians, etc. existing but with Shepard and the Reapers stripped from the story. You'd still have the mass relays but tweak the lore to suggest the Protheans really did in fact build them instead of the Reapers. But I admit it would be rather confusing for players trying to seperate the 'new' modified lore from the old if they went that route. If that makes any sense.

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That could work, but then you would run into the problem of older players trying to sort out the new lore from the old one, like you said.

Not only that, but if the Reapers didn't exist and it was all the Prothean's doing, why are they all wiped out for the 'New Continuity' to take place? If the Protheans truly did build all the Mass Relays and the Citadel, then why are they all dead? And if they are not all dead then how could we still have all of the iconic races still present in a recognizable form since if the Protheans were still alive, everyone would be dead or a servant of the Prothean Empire?

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Huh ^

[in it for the lolz]

I can't wait for ME: Next to flop harder then ME3.
It's going to be a riot!!!

[Cainhurst Crow]

I'd rather wait to see at least a trailer or demo or concept art or something on the next mass effect game before I actually make any judgements on what has or hasn't been done.

Words are cheap, and visuals cost money. We'll see if they put their money where their mouth is with learned lessons.

[crimzontearz]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

iakus wrote...

Guys, as far as we know, there's no time travel in the ME universe. So I highly doubt an aged Garrus will be going back in time and trigger a whole new universe.

If it's AU, there will be ZERO connections to the previous trilogy. And I for one am fine with that idea.

that was not the crux of our discussion

Yeah, it was kind of a tangent really, but I'm alright with that. 

A distant-future reboot, however, would have some faint connection to the original MEU.

it is not a continuity rewrite so it is not a reboot....

[Vortex13]

[quote]CynicalShep wrote...

[quote]Vortex13 wrote...

[quote]SRX wrote...

[quote]CynicalShep wrote...

[quote]SRX wrote...

Maybe parallel universe was the wrong term. I meant the same ME universe in the sense of the Geth, Turians, etc. existing but with Shepard and the Reapers stripped from the story. You'd still have the mass relays but tweak the lore to suggest the Protheans really did in fact build them instead of the Reapers. But I admit it would be rather confusing for players trying to seperate the 'new' modified lore from the old if they went that route. If that makes any sense.

[/quote]

That could work, but then you would run into the problem of older players trying to sort out the new lore from the old one, like you said.

Not only that, but if the Reapers didn't exist and it was all the Prothean's doing, why are they all wiped out for the 'New Continuity' to take place? If the Protheans truly did build all the Mass Relays and the Citadel, then why are they all dead? And if they are not all dead then how could we still have all of the iconic races still present in a recognizable form since if the Protheans were still alive, everyone would be dead or a servant of the Prothean Empire?

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Huh ^[/quote]

Sorry. Phone being weird <_<

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I'd rather wait to see at least a trailer or demo or concept art or something on the next mass effect game before I actually make any judgements on what has or hasn't been done.

Words are cheap, and visuals cost money. We'll see if they put their money where their mouth is with learned lessons.

I still wouldn't trust that. It's easy to put together a good demo or trailer that gets people excited, only for the shipped game to be garbage. Look at Aliens: Colonial Marines of Star Wars: TFU2 as examples of that. Hell, look at ME3 and how much they hyped the game.

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

iakus wrote...

Guys, as far as we know, there's no time travel in the ME universe. So I highly doubt an aged Garrus will be going back in time and trigger a whole new universe.

If it's AU, there will be ZERO connections to the previous trilogy. And I for one am fine with that idea.

that was not the crux of our discussion

Yeah, it was kind of a tangent really, but I'm alright with that.

A distant-future reboot, however, would have some faint connection to the original MEU.

it is not a continuity rewrite so it is not a reboot....

That would depend on how they work around the ending and Shepard's fate.

if they found a way to skirt all three endings without any continuity changes (lol), then sure. The new cast, new time period, and new story could potentially not be a textbook "reboot".

[Cainhurst Crow]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I'd rather wait to see at least a trailer or demo or concept art or something on the next mass effect game before I actually make any judgements on what has or hasn't been done.

Words are cheap, and visuals cost money. We'll see if they put their money where their mouth is with learned lessons.

I still wouldn't trust that. It's easy to put together a good demo or trailer that gets people excited, only for the shipped game to be garbage. Look at Aliens: Colonial Marines of Star Wars: TFU2 as examples of that. Hell, look at ME3 and how much they hyped the game.

It would still be a lot more productive and informative than sitting around, picking apart the transcript from an interview line by line and word by word, complaining about everything in it.

[crimzontearz]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

iakus wrote...

Guys, as far as we know, there's no time travel in the ME universe. So I highly doubt an aged Garrus will be going back in time and trigger a whole new universe.

If it's AU, there will be ZERO connections to the previous trilogy. And I for one am fine with that idea.

that was not the crux of our discussion

Yeah, it was kind of a tangent really, but I'm alright with that.

A distant-future reboot, however, would have some faint connection to the original MEU.

it is not a continuity rewrite so it is not a reboot....

That would depend on how they work around the ending and Shepard's fate.

if they found a way to skirt all three endings without any continuity changes (lol), then sure. The new cast, new time period, and new story could potentially not be a textbook "reboot".

so wait you are proposing a far flung in the future setting AND a rewrite of the entire ending of the Reaper war? well then that would kinda be a reboot

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

so wait you are proposing a far flung in the future setting AND a rewrite of the entire ending of the Reaper war? well then that would kinda be a reboot

You're thinking too broadly. All it would take is even one shifted detail, such as the malfunction of the geth somewhere down the line despite being fine in the Control or Synthesis endings (or their recreation in Destroy), to constitute a rewrite that adapts to the new setting.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 15 octobre 2013 - 05:14 .