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[dreamgazer]

CronoDragoon wrote...

My favorite quote is when Casey Hudson says that he thinks one of the key reasons fans love ME is the beauty of the universe and the places/people in it. "How cool would it be to just hop on a ship and head over to Omega?" If they did this on purpose to destroy one of the main reasons fans loved playing the games, then I can only say they gambled that they could do it right (right as in, in a way that wouldn't cause an uproar) and lost.

Agreed.

[Arcian]

Dubozz wrote...

"Yeah, my ending is pretty ****ty but I can't say this in the interview"
At least he is not a lead writer anymore. #hope

Sure, but now he's narrative director, which means he has more creative control than the lead writer. The lead writer and the narrative designers all have to conform to the vision of the narrative director.

You may think things got better, but it's the exact opposite - they have never been worse than they are now. ME4 is completely at Super MAC's mercy, and we all know he will abuse it to kingdom come without any regard to the fans of the franchise.

Modifié par Arcian, 16 octobre 2013 - 02:51 .

[NeonFlux117]

CronoDragoon wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

You realize that these rules are talked about by some of the greatest and most renowned fiction writers of all time- here's a list

Erney Hemingway

William Gibson

James Joyce

Chuck Palahniuk. 

And many more:O:O:O

And have you actually read their works to see how many times they don't follow the "rules"? Doesn't seem like it. Those rules are crafted for amateurs so they aren't flounding around in the sea without an anchor. There are a million exeptions to every "rule" and the more you read and write the more you understand this. It's about learning how to break rules effectively, which ME3 does not.

But I really don't. I like good writing. But to each their own.

If only claiming the high ground on the internet made it true. But I'm curious what makes you think I consider ME3's ending good writing?

Like I said to each their own. It's promising that you don't like ME3's writing. But you know, it's all subjective. So who really cares. 

[rekn2]

dreamgazer wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

its gamer/nerd culture, we cling to our heroes. its been like that for the 32 years ive been alive no matter the IP. star wars, star trek etc etc. you mess with them and people blow up. to not expect the same thing to happen in a video game, a sci fi video game is really blind. its so bad you seem to be intentionally doing it

Wait, so not surrendering to this mindset means that I'm doing it intentionally?

And these past experiences automatically makes it okay for ME's fans to do the same? 

you saying that it was a surprise, i said you were new which is the only excuse for it being a surprise.

come on, how could you not see that? i was 10 minutes into me3 and i knew what was going to happen regarding the fanbase.

its not just the BSN, i talk to all kinds of people, some who even dont play games and they all knew about me3's bad ending.it reminds of that poster who had his professor play the trilogy.


i got the same flak when i questioned the intelligence of  another bsn poster about  that person actually liking the endings preEC. i know its an arguement impasse but i was being serious.not derogatory. i literally questioned thier understanding of media

[dreamgazer]

rekn2 wrote...

i got the same flak when i questioned the intelligence of  another bsn poster about  that person actually liking the endings preEC. i know its an arguement impasse but i was being serious.not derogatory. i literally questioned thier understanding of media

You realize you could do the same thing with ME1 and ME2, right?

The usage of space magic and DEM/MacGuffin devices in one, and the stagnant plot and horrid science in the other? Both with substantial plot holes?

Opinions do vary.  I wouldn't get on a high horse about the understanding of media, even if I do agree with you about the execution of the ending.

[NeonFlux117]

My girlfriend, who's not a "gamer" saw the ME3 ending. And said and I quote: "What the f*ck is that stupid kid doing there and why does shepard turn everyone green. That was so stupid". Then she looked at me and said- "you really like this? Is this how all the games end?"

I said, "no, the others have great endings and make sense".

She said- "not what you expected huh".

I said- "I guess not"

Then she gave me a "get happy" BJ.

Love dat girl.

Point being, ME3's ending suck because they suck. Not because the fan base or anything else or that people "don't get it". They suck cause they suck

[CronoDragoon]

The relevant question is why you picked Synthesis?

(can of worms GO)

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 16 octobre 2013 - 03:11 .

[Kel Riever]

OP: Mac isn't good at what he does, so why would you even hope that there is any chance at the next game CALLED MASS EFFECT FOUR to be good?

You don't throw good money after bad if you are smart. Look at all the people who hate ME3 and then they went and purchased all the DLC. How foolish is that? Particularly since, DUH, they went on to say how much they hated the DLC.

What you want to do is get on this train. You need to start a video game company, hire an atrocious writer, tell everyone that the atrocious writer is brilliant while paying them nothing other than blow kisses, empty promises and ComicCon appearances. Let them write a comic because 'that means something.' And collect the dough. Because if you can get FIVE releases of your game with roman numerals, it won't matter because its like trawling suckers! Hopefully by then you can get a nice car. Like a Yaris.

[NeonFlux117]

CronoDragoon wrote...

The relevant question is why you picked Synthesis?

(can of worms GO)

Well, you know. It was the first time I played it and beaten it. And me, like many shepard's, succumbed to indoctrination and swan dived into the "magic beam" of evolution. I mean harby, *** cough ** cough, I mean the "Catalyst" really seemed to make synthesis a good thing. Plus, EDI and Geth.  

This was like March 9th at like 4 in the am. Before I became a "crazy IT'er". 

[rekn2]

dreamgazer wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

i got the same flak when i questioned the intelligence of  another bsn poster about  that person actually liking the endings preEC. i know its an arguement impasse but i was being serious.not derogatory. i literally questioned thier understanding of media

You realize you could do the same thing with ME1 and ME2, right?

The usage of space magic and DEM/MacGuffin devices in one, and the stagnant plot and horrid science in the other? Both with substantial plot holes?

Opinions do vary.  I wouldn't get on a high horse about the understanding of media, even if I do agree with you about the execution of the ending.

your opinion was not my point. you being surprised by the fanbase is...for reasons i explained earlier

[crimzontearz]

Arcian wrote...

Dubozz wrote...

"Yeah, my ending is pretty ****ty but I can't say this in the interview"
At least he is not a lead writer anymore. #hope

Sure, but now he's narrative director, which means he has more creative control than the lead writer. The lead writer and the narrative designers all have to conform to the vision of the narrative director.

You may think things got better, but it's the exact opposite - they have never been worse than they are now. ME4 is completely at Super MAC's mercy, and we all know he will abuse it to kingdom come without any regard to the fans of the franchise.

so...ME3 landed him a promotion?


 
So much for what Dreamgazer was saying..

 

[rekn2]

CronoDragoon wrote...

The relevant question is why you picked Synthesis?

(can of worms GO)

because its what i wanted even though, narratively, it made me robot devil <--preEC opinion.

afterEC i was actually the good guy...even though the rest of the entire series was trying to say otherwise

[dreamgazer]

rekn2 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

rekn2 wrote...

i got the same flak when i questioned the intelligence of  another bsn poster about  that person actually liking the endings preEC. i know its an arguement impasse but i was being serious.not derogatory. i literally questioned thier understanding of media

You realize you could do the same thing with ME1 and ME2, right?

The usage of space magic and DEM/MacGuffin devices in one, and the stagnant plot and horrid science in the other? Both with substantial plot holes?

Opinions do vary.  I wouldn't get on a high horse about the understanding of media, even if I do agree with you about the execution of the ending.

your opinion was not my point. you being surprised by the fanbase is...for reasons i explained earlier

Meh.  I'm of the mind that you can be critical of something without resorting to exaggerated, stubborn hate and overreactions, something the BSN needs to be reminded of from time to time---especially when there's far, far worse examples of fiction out there. 

[AlanC9]

rekn2 wrote...
come on, how could you not see that? i was 10 minutes into me3 and i knew what was going to happen regarding the fanbase.

He's psychic!

More seriously, how'd you figure that ten minutes in?

i got the same flak when i questioned the intelligence of  another bsn poster about  that person actually liking the endings preEC. i know its an arguement impasse but i was being serious.not derogatory. i literally questioned thier understanding of media

IOW, you were being a jerk, and caught flak for it. What were you expecting, o veteran of the Internet?

Edit: or was it just the expected reaction?

Modifié par AlanC9, 16 octobre 2013 - 03:33 .

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Dubozz wrote...

"Yeah, my ending is pretty ****ty but I can't say this in the interview"
At least he is not a lead writer anymore. #hope

Sure, but now he's narrative director, which means he has more creative control than the lead writer. The lead writer and the narrative designers all have to conform to the vision of the narrative director.

You may think things got better, but it's the exact opposite - they have never been worse than they are now. ME4 is completely at Super MAC's mercy, and we all know he will abuse it to kingdom come without any regard to the fans of the franchise.

so...ME3 landed him a promotion?


 
So much for what Dreamgazer was saying..

 

ME3 landed him in a new role that could very well put him in a hands-off position with a target painted on his chest if things go badly again.  The Narrative Director won't be doing the actual bulk of the writing, unless he appoints himself as lead. He'd be an approver and an idea generator.

I'd consider it a reassignment, really. 

[shingara]

After reading that interview i come away not exactly shell shocked but stumped. It seems like they learned nothing. they tried to and badly tried to rework what mass effect is and what it had be built upon as if it ever needed to change. Its a trend that is seen in the series from the point drew got kicked into touch and walters pushed forward.

For me drews storys on what mass effect is are what makes it feel like mass effect. I know they ripped the dark energy lines out and drew himself said that it was an idea that wasnt expanded upon or worked out but what walters did was try and remove the dark energy line within 2 which was naffed up by tali questline that caused confusion from that point forward.

Mass effect 3 felt like a story that had no direction and in the end as a result of no direction had an ending that made no sense to the bulk of people, divided the playerbase and felt like the story had been jotted down on the back of cig packs and within the last few months someone had all the cig packs thrown at them and told to put it all in.

Next to no one understands the star child stuff, alot hate the proto reaper from 2 but its like the weird tangent that proppeled 3 to what it ultimatly became put a taint within 3 that walters has enforced by refusing to create the series from its roots and instead trys to impose his beliefs on the me universe which i feel he is doing not to enrich the series but to strike a line in the sand where he can go this is my stuff that is drews.

The only problem is walters is trying so hard to be different to drew that its destroying the fanbase and the story and at the same time making it feel like walters is having a active tantrum within the games story trying to oppose drews idea of the series. And i feel this isnt all walters fault. He is a great charcter writer but he is surrounded by yes men/women who keep telling him he is the greatest thing since sliced bread because none of them have a clue how to get from under the shadow of drew.

 They have not learned a thing that went wrong with 3, they simply ignore it as the vocal minoirty when infact its the silent bulk that have buggered off who dont even listen to bioware anymore and the minority left are the ones who still have a deep passion for the franchise.

Modifié par shingara, 16 octobre 2013 - 03:42 .

[AlanC9]

dreamgazer wrote...
ME3 landed him in a new role that could very well put him in a hands-off position with a target painted on his chest if things go badly again.  The Narrative Director won't be doing the actual bulk of the writing, unless he appoints himself as lead. He'd be an approver and an idea generator.

I'd consider it a reassignment, really. 

I gotta go with Arcian on this one. Narrative Director sounds like a more responsible post to me, if I understand the duties correctly.

[dreamgazer]

AlanC9 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...
ME3 landed him in a new role that could very well put him in a hands-off position with a target painted on his chest if things go badly again.  The Narrative Director won't be doing the actual bulk of the writing, unless he appoints himself as lead. He'd be an approver and an idea generator.

I'd consider it a reassignment, really. 

I gotta go with Arcian on this one. Narrative Director sounds like a more responsible post to me, if I understand the duties correctly.

The responsibility is there, sure, but it's a role that could also keep him away from the bulk of the writing for the next ME game (and more centered on the comics that get eviscerated anyway). 

I guess you can consider that a "promotion", yeah, but it also seems strategic. 

[crimzontearz]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Dubozz wrote...

"Yeah, my ending is pretty ****ty but I can't say this in the interview"
At least he is not a lead writer anymore. #hope

Sure, but now he's narrative director, which means he has more creative control than the lead writer. The lead writer and the narrative designers all have to conform to the vision of the narrative director.

You may think things got better, but it's the exact opposite - they have never been worse than they are now. ME4 is completely at Super MAC's mercy, and we all know he will abuse it to kingdom come without any regard to the fans of the franchise.

so...ME3 landed him a promotion?


 
So much for what Dreamgazer was saying..

 

ME3 landed him in a new role that could very well put him in a hands-off position with a target painted on his chest if things go badly again.  The Narrative Director won't be doing the actual bulk of the writing, unless he appoints himself as lead. He'd be an approver and an idea generator.

I'd consider it a reassignment, really. 

a promotion with direct power, and more than he had before


 
This is not a promoveatur ut amoveatur case

[CronoDragoon]

It could also mean he's less responsible for the actual implementation of the story outline and more responsible for the ideas behind the outline itself...? Not sure. If so, that's promising. I loved the ideas behind the Crucible and endings way more than the execution.

[dreamgazer]

crimzontearz wrote...

a promotion with direct power, and more than he had before


 
This is not a promoveatur ut amoveatur case

That remains to be seen. He has a different job title and role though, yes.

Wouldn't be the first time somebody was "promoted" into an advisory role that ended up having less actual power, though.

[Steelcan]

dreamgazer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

So they should limit their writing intentions to nurture the audience's attachment?

The closer they get to this mindset, the more the games will feel like products instead of stories.

.  Idk about you but I did not get to tell the story of my Shepard from ME1/2

It came in waves between alignments, but yeah, I was able to tell the stories of my three Shepards. 

Why couldn't I tell the story I really wanted to tell of Shepard in ME1, who wanted to stop working with the alliance, reject the Spectre offer, become a space pirate, and hunt down Saren with the Shadow Broker's intel and black-market resources?

You are missing the point.  I am not talking about adding in new outrageous options.  I am asking for the continuation of previous RP ability.

[Dieb]

It may have something to do with a Narrative Director being more of a consulting/coordinating, whereas lead writer is more of a hands-on, active position. It's being developed in Montreal after all; which is on the other side of the continent.

Just a wild guess that a lot of other points mentioned here may have also had very drama-free, pragmatic reasons. It's employees of a company developing a product after all.

But maybe I just have a hard time imagining Walters keying Karpyshyn's car out of spite.

[crimzontearz]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

a promotion with direct power, and more than he had before


 
This is not a promoveatur ut amoveatur case

That remains to be seen. He has a different job title and role though, yes.

Wouldn't be the first time somebody was "promoted" into an advisory role that ended up having less actual power, though.

by not approving ideas he can very easily steer everything in the direction he desires, so yeah, definitely not a promoceatur ut amoveatur case.

Writers: so...ME4 will end with a big SW-like celebration

Mac: no

Writers: uhmmm....bittersweet victory ala Pacific Rim?

Mac: No

Writers: -sigh- Artsy bleak grimdark apocalypse with forced protagonist death?

Mac: you got it but make sure to add a question mark at the end because, you know, speculation for everyone