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How come the GE is better with Black Widow than the Javelin?


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Obviously anything the BW can one shot it is superior against, because duh

Those are the enemies that kill the GE most often, because the GE can't hide behind Cloak like Infiltrators do.

And because BioWare made this ridiculous balance change so that most enemies (even mooks) will ignore a Level 6 Flamer Geth Turret completely. :rage:


I run a spitfire GE, I know what enemies to watch for, and having the turret not get instantly annialated by the enemies that arn't as threatening is actually a great advantage

Edit, there was less change to shooting enemies, mostly to melee type, (brutes, banshees,preatorians, husks, ect)

Modifié par MGW7, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:04 .


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If you aren't shooting through 2.5 meters of wall, you aren't using the Javelin correctly! :P

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Arc Pistol is better on GE.

Maybe, but I'm not a pistol person. BioWare has told me that pistols are for Biotics and Asari, which I am neither.

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

In other words, why is the Javelin made so ridiculously heavy for no good reason?

Because it's the best gun in the game? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Quite possibly. But I want to use it on casters as well. Even Hunter Mode cooldown bonus (20%) on top of Ultralight Materials (37%) is not enough. That is just ridiculous. 

Eh, it can go on some casters, but not all of them, yeah.

Like what for example? N7 Demolisher? :blink:

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The High Lord Claymore is our one and only true Lord and Savior. The Javelin and BW are false gods.

Modifié par BurningLiquor, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:03 .


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MGW7 wrote...

I run a spitfire GE, I know what enemies to watch for, and having the turret not get instantly annialated by the enemies that arn't as threatening is actually a great advantage

The problem is not that the Turret gets annihilated - it's that it gets ignored. You need to kill the enemies that run past your Turret asap - these enemies are usually mooks (especially Husks and Abominations), or Armored cover busters such as Brutes, Bombers, and Dragoons, which Black Widow is better equiped to deal with.

Kel Riever wrote...

If you aren't shooting through 2.5 meters of wall, you aren't using the Javelin correctly! :P

Yeah I do that most of the time, but then the enemy comes out at me from behind the walls (ignoring my Turret completely in the process) and I realize I can't Cloak and run away and that I can't stun them effectively with Overload because my cooldown is *$%&$( because the Javelin is so *%(#%)# heavy.

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Like what for example? N7 Demolisher? :blink:


Power recharge isn't as important as one might think, most of the time you can operate with low cooldown bonus, deminished returns and such,

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The High Lord Claymore is our one and only true Lord and Savior. The Javelin and BW are false gods.

I use my Demolisher as a Claymore Engineer. It works fine. :)

It's Shocktrooper vs. Operative for me.

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MGW7 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Like what for example? N7 Demolisher? :blink:


Power recharge isn't as important as one might think, most of the time you can operate with low cooldown bonus, deminished returns and such

Diminshing returns only happens when you go above 100%.

With the Javelin after stacking all possible bonuses I can barely go over 50% (56% to be exact). With Black Widow it's a comfortable 90%. That's 3.54 seconds vs. 3.08 seconds cooldown for Overload. The latter case allows me to stunlock mooks effectively but the former case does not.

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The problem is not that the Turret gets annihilated - it's that it gets ignored. You need to kill the enemies that run past your Turret asap - these enemies are usually mooks (especially Husks and Abominations), or Armored cover busters such as Brutes, Bombers, and Dragoons, which Black Widow is better equiped to deal with.


those enemies are easy to deal with when they are alone, and they will be while everything else gets messed up by the turret,

also, if you have such low recharge why don't you reduce overload and take some extra fitnes? 4/4(if you want the chain) or 3/5(shield recharge) would suit the javelin better, even three ranks of fitness is a great aid due to geth fitness having a recharge bonus at rank one

Modifié par MGW7, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:14 .


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MGW7 wrote...

those enemies are easy to deal with when they are alone, and they will be while everything else gets messed up by the turret

They are seldom alone. Instead they often spawn in groups behind you because your teammates are on the other side of the map (you're sniper, remember). And only 1 out of the whole group will be affected by Turret while others march by towards you (quality BioWare game design).

also, if you have such low recharge why don't you reduce overload and take some extra fitnes? 4/4(if you want the chain) or 3/5(shield recharge) would suit the javelin better

That makes sense, but

(1) I would like to swich to lighter weapons from time to time. Such as the Valkyrie. High rank Overload becomes much better then.

(2) Shield Damage at Rank 6 Overload is essential for a one-shot sniper such as the Javelin because it stripes Marauders/Centurions/Rocket Troopers in one cast.

I'm actually considering respeccing him to 66563 (Rank 5 Overload only) and give up the Javelin on the GE permanently. Why bother when the BW is better.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:19 .


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iOnlySignIn wrote...

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those enemies are easy to deal with when they are alone, and they will be while everything else gets messed up by the turret

They are seldom alone. Instead they often spawn in groups behind you because your teammates are on the other side of the map (you're sniper, remember). And only 1 out of the whole group will be affected by Turret while others march by towards you (quality BioWare game design).

also, if you have such low recharge why don't you reduce overload and take some extra fitnes? 4/4(if you want the chain) or 3/5(shield recharge) would suit the javelin better

That makes sense, but

(1) I would like to swich to lighter weapons from time to time. Such as the Valkyrie. Rank 6 Overload becomes much better then.

(2) Shield Damage at Rank 6 Overload is essential for a one-shot sniper such as the Javelin because it stripes Marauders/Centurions in one cast.


Disrupter rounds on the javelin greatly benifit it's bleedthrough, and can one shot those enemies if you headshot them, and if they survive you can use overload second for a tech burst, which has desirable results most of the time,

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N7didacus wrote...

Arc Pistol is better on GE.

Maybe, but I'm not a pistol person. BioWare has told me that pistols are for Biotics and Asari, which I am neither.

Deerber wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Deerber wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

In other words, why is the Javelin made so ridiculously heavy for no good reason?

Because it's the best gun in the game? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Quite possibly. But I want to use it on casters as well. Even Hunter Mode cooldown bonus (20%) on top of Ultralight Materials (37%) is not enough. That is just ridiculous. 

Eh, it can go on some casters, but not all of them, yeah.

Like what for example? N7 Demolisher? :blink:


Well, I guess it depends on what you mean by caster. For example, it goes very well on the Geth Trooper. In general, it will go well on any character that only has 1 CD-dependant power, even better if it's a power that for some reason does not get much worse with high CDs (like flamer). I usually use shotguns on these types of characters, but one might as well put a Javelin on them if he's good at quickscoping.

That said, it's arguably a bad choice on "pure" casters that have 2 CD-dependent powers.

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MGW7 wrote...

Disrupter rounds on the javelin greatly benifit it's bleedthrough, and can one shot those enemies if you headshot them, and if they survive you can use overload second for a tech burst, which has desirable results most of the time,

True, but I usually don't use equipments on Gold (like I said, you can 1-shot Phantoms already, what more do you need) and on Platinum I would use Incendiary Rounds.

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Well, I guess it depends on what you mean by caster. For example, it goes very well on the Geth Trooper. In general, it will go well on any character that only has 1 CD-dependant power, even better if it's a power that for some reason does not get much worse with high CDs (like flamer). I usually use shotguns on these types of characters, but one might as well put a Javelin on them if he's good at quickscoping.

That said, it's arguably a bad choice on "pure" casters that have 2 CD-dependent powers.

Indeed.

Javelin/Raider/PPR are my weapons of choice on the Geth Trooper.

But still, the lack of a projectile power (such as Geth Turret or Prox Mine) to dupe Phantoms with is a great cause for regret. And why I use Javelin on the GE in the first place. 1 projectile distraction + 1 instahit Stun/Shield Stripper = perfect Javelin user, right? Until the Black Widow came along...

Off to respec my GE from a 66660 Javelin build to a 66563 Black Widow/Valkryie build. Again.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 15 octobre 2013 - 03:29 .


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Because 3 shots > 1 shot... Simple really...


Didn't you say you were done with this game, megabreast?


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Kill more chubby Pink Unicorns tonight? :D


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Why? How can a Geth character, built to use a Geth weapon, be better with an alternative Human weapon instead?


the Black Widow is just a human variant of a Geth design

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

Indeed.

Javelin/Raider/PPR are my weapons of choice on the Geth Trooper.

But still, the lack of a projectile power (such as Geth Turret or Prox Mine) to dupe Phantoms with is a great cause for regret. And why I use Javelin on the GE in the first place. 1 projectile distraction + 1 instahit Stun/Shield Stripper = perfect Javelin user, right? Until the Black Widow came along...


Ah, the lack of a projectile power makes things interesting for me. This way I need to hit their heads while they're moving. It's too easy otherwise :P

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GI is a better Engineer than the GE.

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*picture of aliens meme guy except it says cooldowns*

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I think your problem is you're a caster, and stupid. Wrex needs to get in this thread immediately.

Also Javelin has a higher DPS than BW with RC.

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I think your problem is you're a caster, and stupid. Wrex needs to get in this thread immediately.

Also Javelin has a higher DPS than BW with RC
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Not true. Multiclip DPS is higher for the BW with RC. They're really close though; I would think the extra racial 5% might put the Jav over the BW on a Geth.

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Doesn't the Javelin X have the highest single shot damage rating in the game? As much as I love the BW, it can't one-shot an Atlas on Platinum.

Hmm. When does Javelin one shot a frigging Atlas?

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robarcool wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

Doesn't the Javelin X have the highest single shot damage rating in the game? As much as I love the BW, it can't one-shot an Atlas on Platinum.

Hmm. When does Javelin one shot a frigging Atlas?

When a GI pops a few thermal clips and hits the canopy in the right spot.

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NuclearTech76 wrote...

robarcool wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

Doesn't the Javelin X have the highest single shot damage rating in the game? As much as I love the BW, it can't one-shot an Atlas on Platinum.

Hmm. When does Javelin one shot a frigging Atlas?

When a GI pops a few thermal clips and hits the canopy in the right spot.


That is not a regualr scenario. I meant when does any character do that regularly, like multiple times in one single match.

Modifié par robarcool, 15 octobre 2013 - 05:15 .


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1. GE can strip and stagger up to 3 targets with Overload and Neural Shock
2. You have 3 bullets in BW clip
3. You kill all 3 of them even with body shots before they can recover
4. BW is a better ammo primer on bosses
5. Higher sustained DPS
6. Lighter

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robarcool wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

robarcool wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

Doesn't the Javelin X have the highest single shot damage rating in the game? As much as I love the BW, it can't one-shot an Atlas on Platinum.

Hmm. When does Javelin one shot a frigging Atlas?

When a GI pops a few thermal clips and hits the canopy in the right spot.


That is not a regualr scenario. I meant when does any character do that regularly, like multiple times in one single match.

Only way would be multiple debuffs from different players. Still not sure that counts as regular play though.