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[Tokenusername]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

I think your problem is you're a caster, and stupid. Wrex needs to get in this thread immediately.

Also Javelin has a higher DPS than BW with RC.

Not true. Multiclip DPS is higher for the BW with RC. They're really close though; I would think the extra racial 5% might put the Jav over the BW on a Geth.

It is true. I've already done the math on it and the Javelin had higher DPS, including RoF on hunter mode.

Modifié par Tokenusername, 15 octobre 2013 - 05:34 .

[Miniditka77]

Because the Black Widow is better than the Javelin...?

[NuclearTech76]

Tokenusername wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

I think your problem is you're a caster, and stupid. Wrex needs to get in this thread immediately.

Also Javelin has a higher DPS than BW with RC.

Not true. Multiclip DPS is higher for the BW with RC. They're really close though; I would think the extra racial 5% might put the Jav over the BW on a Geth.

It is true. I've already done the math on it and the Javelin had higher DPS, including RoF on hunter mode.

Should've included "higher DPS on a Geth with RCing"

[Tokenusername]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

I think your problem is you're a caster, and stupid. Wrex needs to get in this thread immediately.

Also Javelin has a higher DPS than BW with RC.

Not true. Multiclip DPS is higher for the BW with RC. They're really close though; I would think the extra racial 5% might put the Jav over the BW on a Geth.

It is true. I've already done the math on it and the Javelin had higher DPS, including RoF on hunter mode.

Should've included "higher DPS on a Geth with RCing"

Then what's this thread about?

[robarcool]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

robarcool wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

robarcool wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

Doesn't the Javelin X have the highest single shot damage rating in the game? As much as I love the BW, it can't one-shot an Atlas on Platinum.

Hmm. When does Javelin one shot a frigging Atlas?

When a GI pops a few thermal clips and hits the canopy in the right spot.

That is not a regualr scenario. I meant when does any character do that regularly, like multiple times in one single match.

Only way would be multiple debuffs from different players. Still not sure that counts as regular play though.

Yep. That's why I was startled by Tetsutesuru's comment. However, there are ways to make that happen regularly

Modifié par robarcool, 15 octobre 2013 - 05:57 .

[Fortack]

The Javelin (with Phasics) is the best SR to OHK thrash mobs through shield-gate & walls.

The GE doesn't have to shoot through shield-gate since it has Overload to remove those when needed. The GE also has wallhack (HM) and with piercing mods + AP/Drill ammo shooting through walls is possible as well.

I love the Javelin, but using it on the GE isn't the greatest of ideas (and neither is the Black Widow).

[didacuscarr]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

N7didacus wrote...

Arc Pistol is better on GE.

Maybe, but I'm not a pistol person. BioWare has told me that pistols are for Biotics and Asari, which I am neither.

I'm a shotgun person and Arc Pistol is almost the only pistol I use. And don't listen to BioWare, they're scrubs. 

[chcknwng]

MasterReefa wrote...

It's because the Black Widow is the 2nd most over buffed weapon.

I'm gonna bite and ask for the first one. Talon? Wraith? Hurricane?

[NuclearTech76]

wngmv wrote...

MasterReefa wrote...

It's because the Black Widow is the 2nd most over buffed weapon.

I'm gonna bite and ask for the first one. Talon? Wraith? Hurricane?

Overbuffed? The Talon.


Unless you consider the Piranha buff that was latter balanced which was one of the most laughable buffs of all time.

[AaronEh]

Tokenusername wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

I think your problem is you're a caster, and stupid. Wrex needs to get in this thread immediately.

Also Javelin has a higher DPS than BW with RC.

Not true. Multiclip DPS is higher for the BW with RC. They're really close though; I would think the extra racial 5% might put the Jav over the BW on a Geth.

It is true. I've already done the math on it and the Javelin had higher DPS, including RoF on hunter mode.

DPS is a skewed representation of the picture.  It doesn't always mean the time to kill is lower.

[Tokenusername]

AaronEh wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

I think your problem is you're a caster, and stupid. Wrex needs to get in this thread immediately.

Also Javelin has a higher DPS than BW with RC.

Not true. Multiclip DPS is higher for the BW with RC. They're really close though; I would think the extra racial 5% might put the Jav over the BW on a Geth.

It is true. I've already done the math on it and the Javelin had higher DPS, including RoF on hunter mode.

DPS is a skewed representation of the picture.  It doesn't always mean the time to kill is lower.

DPS is an objective measurement, and objectivity doesn't always apply to situational subjectivity. But you can't compare subjective measurements.

Modifié par Tokenusername, 15 octobre 2013 - 07:28 .

[Andr0idOS]

BurningLiquor wrote...

Deerber wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

In other words, why is the Javelin made so ridiculously heavy for no good reason?

Because it's the best gun in the game? 

The High Lord Raider will have your head for this blasphemy!

FTFY. 

[iOnlySignIn]

Fortack wrote...

The Javelin (with Phasics) is the best SR to OHK thrash mobs through shield-gate & walls.

The GE doesn't have to shoot through shield-gate since it has Overload to remove those when needed. The GE also has wallhack (HM) and with piercing mods + AP/Drill ammo shooting through walls is possible as well.

I love the Javelin, but using it on the GE isn't the greatest of ideas (and neither is the Black Widow).

I feel a special connection to the GE since it's the first class that enabled me to play Gold. Good times.

But gone are the days when I was scrubbing off an European host with a GPS GE. Now it's Black Widow time. 

[iOnlySignIn]

Tokenusername wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

I think your problem is you're a caster, and stupid. Wrex needs to get in this thread immediately.

Also Javelin has a higher DPS than BW with RC.

Not true. Multiclip DPS is higher for the BW with RC. They're really close though; I would think the extra racial 5% might put the Jav over the BW on a Geth.

It is true. I've already done the math on it and the Javelin had higher DPS, including RoF on hunter mode.

That doesn't take into account of the fact that on Gold much of the Javelin's DPS is wasted by overkilling, even without equipments and even against enemies such as Phantoms and Ravagers.

On Platinum, Javelin is undoubtedly better in terms of ttk. But on Gold it's a different story.

For example vs. Gold Ravager, you need 2~3 Javelin clips (depending on your equipments), with the last shot being a massive overkill. Against the same enemy you only need 1~2 Black Widow clips, with much less overkill. So with Black Widow you do less damage effectively, and yet kill an enemy faster.

[capn233]

Damage buffs to Black Widow were more significant than those to the Javelin, and ammo buffs are something of a tossup as it relates to benefit on the two.

Black Widow benefited more from the SR HVB introduction since it could then hit the magic 2m penetration distance where most of the fun occurs, while still running anti-shield / barrier ammo.

[Voodud]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

Doesn't the Javelin X have the highest single shot damage rating in the game? As much as I love the BW, it can't one-shot an Atlas on Platinum.

GE with Javelin X can one-shot Gold Phantom with no equipments (I've killed 2 with 1 shot once, good times). That's about the only advantage it has over the Black Widow.

VS. any other enemy the Black Widow outperforms the Javelin, which should not be the case on a GETH Engineer. In particular, Black Widow has much better DPS against groups of mooks, as well slow Armored units such as Brutes and Scions.

Yes, Javelin X can one shot stuff but DPS is more important.
BW X usually outputs better DPS than Javelin X
Why?

you aim / shoot / react faster with BW X, whereas you react more slow with Javelin X because of its only one ammo.
with BW X, you can still kill bosses fast. As an Asari Inf, just cloak-dark channel banshee, shoot her body, cloak again and warp -> shoot. she dies in about 5 seconds on plat easily.

also, it's probably just me but I find it easier to quickscope with BW X than javelin

anyways, regarding this topic. Of course BW is better than Valiant.... Valiant used to be more viable when the game came out, but now it's not viable anymore (for plat).

[hostaman]

dbollendorf wrote...

If I had to take a guess I'd say it's because like me you're better with the BW than the Javelin, there's too big of a difference in the damage for it to be that the BW is actually better.

^This

I suck with the Jav  so I always use the BW. I played GI with another player with a GI Javelin and he wiped the floor with me. 

The Jav is king if you can tame it.

It's the BW for the rest of us 

[Heldarion]

hostaman wrote...

dbollendorf wrote...

If I had to take a guess I'd say it's because like me you're better with the BW than the Javelin, there's too big of a difference in the damage for it to be that the BW is actually better.

^This

I suck with the Jav  so I always use the BW. I played GI with another player with a GI Javelin and he wiped the floor with me. 

The Jav is king if you can tame it.

It's the BW for the rest of us 

Nah. See how much difference there actually is between a BW GI and a Jav GI here and here. Emphasized by the fact that Hendrix prefers Javelin and I prefer Black Widow, the difference is negligible.

Modifié par Heldarion, 17 février 2014 - 02:01 .

[SickBoy254698]

Why do all of these threads start the same way? "The blah blah blah is the best. Way better than the other piece of crap you guys like." Then later we find out they play gold and silver...

The Javelin is twice is the weapon that the Widow is on Platinum. BW cannot one shot Phantoms, Pyros, Hunters, Collector Troopers, or Collector Captains. Without a headshot the BW cant one shot Marauders, Engineers, or Centurions either. The Javelin can one shot all of the above, without a headshot, except captains and Phantoms. It can also do that through a 3 foot thick wall so you don't have to expose yourself.

The ability to snipe dangerous enemies like Phantoms when they are taking cover half way across the map behind a wall where only you can see them is priceless on Platinum. There is no contest at all. Maybe on Gold the Widow is better. I don't know because I don't use power classes on Gold anymore I just screw around with classes I can't use on Platinum.



I know the Javelin is a pain to use. It took me a while to figure it out myself. There are two tricks. The first one is of course reload canceling. The second is never ever ever try and aim using the scope unless shooting at a stationary enemy like a Phantom taking cover. Otherwise you put the cross hairs where you want to shoot, then aim and fire almost simultaneously. The key to that is the almost part. 

Modifié par SickBoy254698, 17 février 2014 - 02:58 .

[NuclearTech76]

SickBoy254698 wrote...

Why do all of these threads start the same way? "The blah blah blah is the best. Way better than the other piece of crap you guys like." Then later we find out they play gold and silver...

The Javelin is twice is the weapon that the Widow is on Platinum. BW cannot one shot Phantoms, Pyros, Hunters, Collector Troopers, or Collector Captains. Without a headshot the BW cant one shot Marauders, Engineers, or Centurions either. The Javelin can one shot all of the above, without a headshot, except captains and Phantoms. It can also do that through a 3 foot thick wall so you don't have to expose yourself.

The ability to snipe dangerous enemies like Phantoms when they are taking cover half way across the map behind a wall where only you can see them is priceless on Platinum. There is no contest at all. Maybe on Gold the Widow is better. I don't know because I don't use power classes on Gold anymore I just screw around with classes I can't use on Platinum.



I know the Javelin is a pain to use. It took me a while to figure it out myself. There are two tricks. The first one is of course reload canceling. The second is never ever ever try and aim using the scope unless shooting at a stationary enemy like a Phantom taking cover. Otherwise you put the cross hairs where you want to shoot, then aim and fire almost simultaneously. The key to that is the almost part. 

Lulz.  Are we talking about the BW or the regular Widow here? The BW GI is just as good as the Javelin GI on Platinum if not better.

[Stillsean]

Although, I don't know the actual amount of damage per shot the BW puts out but doesn't the RoF and clip size count for something. At the end of the day I think the most important factor here is the skills of the player with either the BW or the Jav. They are both good guns with advantages. I like the BW and am more used to it. I've only used the Jav a few times(it was one of the first URs I maxed out) but it always messes up my shooting after I've used it. It takes a few minutes to adjust back to the other guns

Btw, my DI one shot kills Marauders on gold(body shot) even without speccing the last rank of drell assassin(12.50% increased weap dmg bonus). I remember this clearly because it surprised me when I noticed it #justsaying

Modifié par Stillsean, 17 février 2014 - 04:56 .

[capn233]

SickBoy254698 wrote...

Why do all of these threads start the same way?

A better question is why do old threads always come back to the top of the forum months or years later?

[BridgeBurner]

The black widow is pretty terrible unless you have tactical cheat or a shield draining power.

Compare the BW to the javelin on the geth trooper and its like night and day.

Modifié par Annomander, 17 février 2014 - 09:00 .