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[David7204]

The question is, are any of those ways any good?

Modifié par David7204, 17 octobre 2013 - 10:53 .

[Redbelle]

Trying not to bemoan a prequel on account of MGS3: Snake Eater.....

But yeah..... The team who made ME3 displayed very little ingenuity in the main and fleeting, frustrating glimpses of how the system of ME could be used in a variety of different ways to great affect......

And then there's the question...... about that ending...... What on Earth happened when we did what we did?

And finally, there is the game play mechanic of choice, leading to consequence. And carrying that forth.

Abandoning that BW principle that emerged from their games that goes back to KOTOR would be, an abandoning of their game development style that differentiates them from other dev's. They shold not abandon the BW way of developing games.

I'd like to see them embrace.... and expand on them while remembering that BW was founded by a group of people who brought the love and experience of table top roleplay to the gaming world.

[Redbelle]

dead_goon wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

they have to start out the same to show the connection with the previous story...

i.e..... They could start the story with the end of ME3 being Shepard's death dream. Then another group fires the Crucible, and the reapers blow up. Now we start the next story.

No they really don't, there is nothing to stop them from going off on a tangent, & starting the next game in a part of the MEU thats lost behind an unactivated mass relay ( or several ), don't constrain the writers with your limitations,  I can think of a number of ways to start a whole new trilogy that doesn't involve Shepard, so for a professional writer, it should be a walk in the park.

Indeed, starting an unrelated to the event's of ME1-3 should be easy for a sequel.....

But I think..... given the impact of what happened, and who leads the Krogan and the Geth/Quarian question and EDI etc..... these thing's need to be addressed as the fabric of the galaxy the player wove as a tapestry.

I mean, even these issues aren't hard to address. Say Wrex, or Wreav is the Krogan leader. Just say he stepped down. Or they had a fight for new leadership. Or that they disappeared into a relay to an unknown system and were never seen again.

The options are there.

[KotorEffect3]

I am not a big of the prequel concept in general with a few exceptions. It's just places too many limits on what they can do creatively. I would rather see how the galaxy is changed post reaper war, they can set it for decades, maybe even centuries after ME 3 but I want to know what happens going forward and not visit the past.

[Kaidan Fan]

I don't think I would much care for a prequel. I'd much prefer a sequel set a few hundred years after the end of ME3 with the races and places I know and love. Also..don't hate me, but I prefer to play as a human so playing in a new, undiscovered galaxy as an alien race doesn't have much appeal to me either.

But I'm an optimist and will give anything the benefit of the doubt.

[AustereLemur799]

ME3 put me off a prequel and/or a sequel.

Sure: Bioware has/have many avenues to pursue - that's not to say that they'll be satisfying.

My philosophy: don't waste any time on it

EDIT: A singular uniform sequel is impossible because of the choices available during the games. At least the prequel would be set, with abosolutely no question.

ME3 had different endings, and any sequel has to take these things into account (talk about headache!)

Personally I have no qualms about a prequel. Contrary to popular belief: humanity is not the centre of the universe.

Modifié par AustereLemur799, 18 octobre 2013 - 02:48 .

[IdesofJuly]

I'd be up for some First Contact awkwardness, personally.

[AlanC9]

Redbelle wrote...
But I think..... given the impact of what happened, and who leads the Krogan and the Geth/Quarian question and EDI etc..... these thing's need to be addressed as the fabric of the galaxy the player wove as a tapestry.

I mean, even these issues aren't hard to address. Say Wrex, or Wreav is the Krogan leader. Just say he stepped down. Or they had a fight for new leadership. Or that they disappeared into a relay to an unknown system and were never seen again.

The options are there.

The option of making it not matter what you did in the previous game, because now it really all does turn out the same? I thought people said that was a bad thing.

But yeah, they can always go the KotOR 2 route. Doable, but..... eww.

[Aloren]

Well, I see no reason why they couldn't make a sequel using a canon ending. I prefer playing a new game thinking it's a new start, and that my past decisions don't matter all that much, rather than playing a new game thinking my future decisions won't matter since we already know how it will end...

Not to mention that basically every other video game with choices and multiple endings usually pick a canon ending for the next game. If bioware has to do so once every 3 games, it doesn't seem that bad.

Also, it seems pretty easy to have a canon ending that leads to a sequel...Only half of the players finished the game. Among them, maybe 50% imported a save from a previous game, among those, how many will even remember what happened in the previous game when ME4 comes out ? and among those, most picked destroy anyway cause Shepard seems to survive in the end. So, all you need is to just start the new game with Admiral Shepard narrating what happened since the end of ME3 and that should be good enough for 95% of the players.

[Stakrin]

Picking a canon ending...
I wouldn't mind that if it meant they could progress, but they better not ever tell me I romanced liar a. (No offense. I didn't like her.)

[AlanC9]

Unlikely that who your LI was would come up since Shepard isn't coming back. They just have to keep LIs from saying anything stupid if one of them has a cameo.

Modifié par AlanC9, 19 octobre 2013 - 04:42 .

[Ski Mask Wei]

Now that I think about it the best way to continue the ME series is making Refuse canon. Sure every character you know and loves dies a brutal death but...

1.The basic technology stays intact (relays/citadel/etc).

2. Bioware will have to make a bunch of all new species.

3. Ruins of Shepard's cycle and how the new peeps interact with it.

4. They can reuse the Reapers.

5. Liara VI.

Imagine a game set about 48,000 years after ME3 Refuse ending with the Yahg being the premier race in the galaxy. With new races and cultures they can have new conflicts and after a few games whenever that gets old they can reuse the Reapers. Sure, that means Shepard would've lost but it's not like most us haven't already felt like that after beating ME3 anyway.

[AlanC9]

You really think a game with no humans would go over well?

[Ski Mask Wei]

AlanC9 wrote...

You really think a game with no humans would go over well?

They could make one those Star Trek type aliens as the starring race.  You know, a human with some weird skull lumps/crest or they could make elf looking aliens.  Everybody loves elves.  How many people would complain about Night Elves in space? 

[Stakrin]

AlanC9 wrote...

Unlikely that who your LI was would come up since Shepard isn't coming back. They just have to keep LIs from saying anything stupid if one of them has a cameo.

thats true. I was just worried about getting an Asari squadmate that claimed to be Shepard's daughter (they live for a long time) 

but if they do that, I would have to hope they give a Krogan squadmate named Mordin. It's only fair to balance. 

[Stakrin]

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

You really think a game with no humans would go over well?

They could make one those Star Trek type aliens as the starring race.  You know, a human with some weird skull lumps/crest or they could make elf looking aliens.  Everybody loves elves.  How many people would complain about Night Elves in space? 

i wouldn't complain about that. I would complain, however, if we got to choose multiple races... With humans not being an option after I picked synth 

though, leviathans and Javik did survive their reaper attacks. Maybe we could have a band of the four council races in the next game. Oh and maybe Krogans! And Quarians..and Geth maybe ! Some Drell would be awesome!

Maybe they just shouldn't choose to kill off all of their races that they wrote about and let their stories continue :/

[Ski Mask Wei]

Stakrin wrote...

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

You really think a game with no humans would go over well?

They could make one those Star Trek type aliens as the starring race.  You know, a human with some weird skull lumps/crest or they could make elf looking aliens.  Everybody loves elves.  How many people would complain about Night Elves in space? 

i wouldn't complain about that. I would complain, however, if we got to choose multiple races... With humans not being an option after I picked synth 

though, leviathans and Javik did survive their reaper attacks. Maybe we could have a band of the four council races in the next game. Oh and maybe Krogans! And Quarians..and Geth maybe ! Some Drell would be awesome!

Maybe they just shouldn't choose to kill off all of their races that they wrote about and let their stories continue :/

I was talking about making the Refuse option canon with allows Bioware to reboot without technically rebooting.  If they went that route they couldn't have mass amounts of survivors from Shepard's cycle but yeah they could have little enclaves like the Leviathans did.  That could be future dlc of the new races finding some salarians or something to that effect.  

[ElitePinecone]

ChaosTheory149 wrote...
In addition, in every single poll I've seen from the ME fanbase, the prequel vote was soundly trumped by a wish for continuation-- not necessarily of Shepard et al, but the universe and story.  Folks want to see how the galaxy picks up the pieces in an overwhelming way, and only a significant minority of fans care about the Protheans or anything else that happened prior to the events of the games.

Polls of the fanbase like the ones conducted on the BSN are statistically useless as a tool to generalise about larger groups.

They cannot, and should not, be used to look for insights about what the fanbase as a whole wants - all they reveal are the opinions of the people who replied to them, and those people are unsurprisingly fans with a very strong stake in what is being asked. Hardcore fans are a rather small minority of the total number of people who have played Mass Effect, and we're even a minority of people who have an interest or an opinion on when the next game is set.

I don't have a particular preference either way about when the next game takes place, but it is frustrating to see people hold up selective "polling" as if it means *anything*, or like it can be used to generalise the opinions of the millions of Mass Effect players who didn't take the poll, and indeed never even interact with the BSN or hardcore fans at all. 

[ElitePinecone]

RussianZombeh wrote...

I hate the idea of an alternative universe. There's only been 3 games and you guys want to switch continuities already?

Agree with this - a new continuity would be absolutely the worst thing they could do. An alternate universe does a disservice to the storytelling they've already invested time and effort in, it makes a mockery of the idea that this is a persistent narrative where our choices matter, and more fundamentally I think it drags the story down to the level of cheesy comics where creators can hit a giant reset button every few years when things get too hard. 

If ME is meant to be thoughtful, consistent and frankly grown up about its storytelling, it can't take the ridiculous way out and use alternate timelines as an excuse to do stupid things and never take account of the consequences. 

[Han Shot First]

That Bioware is even considering a prequel or alternate universe makes me slightly annoyed at the endings to Mass Effect 3 again.

A sequel would have been guaranteed had they not painted themselves into a corner with wildly divergent ending choices that would be difficult to account for in a sequel, unless one of the three were canonized.

[Navasha]

Only way I can see a sequel is for them to canonize the "destroy" ending. Its the only real option that leaves most of the galaxy as it once was minus the Geth and Reapers.

They could then do a relatively "lawless" age dominated by pirates, slavers, and such while the rest of 'civilized' space rebuilds.

However, this would highly annoy the people who insist that blue or green is the "best" ending. Not sure that's the best way to focus a project.

[Han Shot First]

Destroy lends itself well to a sequel. In fact you wouldn't even have to remove the Geth from the game. After all the Catalyst notes that anything that is destroyed by the Crucible can be rebuilt, specifically in response to a query on how the device will affect Synthetics.

If Destroy were carried over into a sequel the way I'd handle it is to have the Quarians rebuild the Geth if peace was hashed out between them, and the Geth dead and gone for good if the Quarians were chosen over the Geth in the Rannoch conflict. The rebuilt Geth would have a close relationship with the Quarians but have some lingering mistrust of the Council races over Shepard's decision.

Of course that's all hypothetical, since a sequel isn't happening.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no to a prequel.

TLDR; NO PREQUEL.

[Beerfish]

I should have read this whole thread....but I didn't (lazy bahstad that I am ). I don't like prequels either and hope they do not go there however it is a bit of leap of logic to automatically think that it will be a prequel because they said it won't have anything to do with Shepard.

There are quite a few scenarios that could be new stories outside of Shepards story and that part of things.

Here is one: Project Ark. Because of the uncertainty of winning the reaper war a large ship with reps from all of the major species is sent on it's way at top speed on it's way out of the galaxy. This potentially avoids the reaper story and all the endings and gives a totally clear slate to work with.