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[Wowky]

kobayashi-maru wrote...

Sorry for being contradictory

Nah dude all good - I was referring to my two posts either side of yours contradicting each other. Wasn't saying you were being contradictory  

kobayashi-maru wrote...

Was just saying how they could go a number of ways and many people seem to limit it to just a couple. There's vastly different options

Agreed. I have no problem with speculation or anything, I just think it's odd when people say things like "this is what it's going to be" based on one quote. The only time we can know what it is really going to be is once there's an announcement

Modifié par Wowky, 25 octobre 2013 - 03:06 .

[ElitePinecone]

I don't think a sequel *couldn't* work, but it would seem to go against everything they said before and after ME3's release - that this was the opportunity to make decisions that would have lasting ramifications for the galaxy. The cinematic designer for the Extended Cut mentioned that some of the ending slides were set decades and centuries after ME3, and the November 2011 version of the ME3 'script' seemed to indicate the Buzz Aldrin/Grandpa scene was up to 10,000 years after the game ended - as if they were showing the far future of the universe because they never planned to revisit it. Shepard changed everything, forever, and whatever comes next is up to the player to imagine.

That's not to say Bioware couldn't have changed their minds in the meantime, but from my perspective a sequel that somehow manages to not mention anything about the endings or their consequences seems like an awfully hard contortion. It also, for better or worse, would dilute the impact of Shepard's entire trilogy, and diminish the impact of that last choice - if everything turns out pretty much the same, what was the point of making it?

If in 200 years a synthesis-utopia, GodShep flying around, or a status quo-minus-the-geth universe all turn out to be the same thing, or similar enough that they can be differentiated by different NPCs scattered around, that seems... a pretty humongous anticlimax for the end of Shepard's trilogy. The Catalyst and the EC narrators spoke of Shep's choice changing the galaxy forever - I really don't think those sort of wild diverging changes can be reconciled in one narrative, not without retroactively undermining their importance and impact.

Wowky wrote..

And actually, if it's not going to relate to the Shepard 'universe' in any way, then it can't really be a prequel either.

How do you figure? A prequel doesn't have to involve Shepard or any of the characters we know, by definition it just needs to take place before ME1 in the timeline.

[Jaulen]

Although I do have a hard time wrapping my head around what they could do witha prequel....

First contact war would be silly to do....it was only 3 months long.

But I could see it being set after 2149 and before the start of ME.
Maybe it could deal with one of the groups that activated and went through a different dormant relay from the Charon relay....

Although....highly likley there would be no turian or assari or the like....

And if it's set after First Contact so we get the Turians and Assari and the like.....well, there's 25 years or so between First Contact and the start of ME.

I just feel that the near history for the races and conflicts we are already aware about should be kept to the books, comics, and in-game lore. Totally new stories should be told in games.

[Manc4life7]

ElitePinecone

Oh believe me - I get where you are coming from 100%.  BW setting the game in the furture but avoiding the ME3 ending choices would be a mistake in my opinion - I could still see this happening to ease BWs transition to the ME4 world. 

That's why I keep harping on a game world where ME1-3 choices can actually be reflected - to what extent depends on how much work BW wants to put into it.  Synthesis will be the big tripping point, however since it is such an alien concept, and it was never explained in any real detail, then BW can do basically whatever they want.  The main NPC race tripping point will be Geth/No Geth, and the easy (and perfectly plausible) solution for that is to avoid critical-to-the-narrative NPCs being Geth (so no equivalent of Legion, which sucks), and if they are present in the universe keep them on the fringes (like they were in ME1-3, where the only time we really saw them was when we were killing them).  Its not like Geth interact with the rest of the galaxy like a normal organic race - they keep to themselves.

Also, if we go back and look at the original (and continuing) complaints about the ME3 endings, what was one of the major, over-riding themes of the complaints?  That all the endings where the essentially same....there weren't 3 wildly different endings for the 3 seemingly different choices we could make.  They all seemed to spit us out at close to the same place - Shep is dead/gone, Reapers are dead/leaving (EC does show them helping to rebuild in certain cases, but for all we know after rebuilding they leave), advanced technology is set back/altered.  Has anyone ever stepped back and thought.......maybe that was on purspose?

Modifié par Manc4life7, 25 octobre 2013 - 07:22 .

[ElitePinecone]

Manc4life7 wrote...
Has anyone ever stepped back and thought.......maybe that was on purspose?

That's possible, yeah, but to me it seemed like the Extended Cut deliberately made each ending *more* distinct and unique, not less. A significant source of criticism of the original endings was that they all played out basically the same (remember that YouTube video of each ending playing side by side, with the only difference being the explosion colour?), and I hardly think they'd then go into detail about the future of the galaxy in each one for the EC, if the original plan was to make them the same for story reasons.

(As in, if having very similar endings was vital for a story they were setting up for a sequel, why expand on them and make them so different in the Extended Cut?)

I think the original similarity of the endings wasn't deliberate, but a combination of not having enough time and not expecting that people would want that amount of unique content. Maybe nobody even thought it was an issue until the whole "red/green/blue explosion" thing started appearing in criticism of the endings - at a guess, the devs just didn't predict that kind of reaction. A lot of the endings controversy seemed to stem from devs doing things without once thinking what the reaction to them would actually be, or just not realising how much fan expectations differed from what they'd made.

[Zuzu Mumu]

Agreed , Prequels never raise to the expectations. And 99.9% of the time they fail to deliver. As you all ready know , nothing matters and all your choices are worth zero in the end . I speak for myself only here : I won't even bother with prequels due to the fact that the end of ME3 is unfinished and lacklustre at best. Nothing i will do in the past (prequel) can change the end therefore why even bother.

[animedreamer]

 Whatever they decide they better have 3 things. Character Creator with fully voiced PC Male and Female. A Huge Class Kit selection based on ME3 Multiplier Kits and someone Enemy Kits such as the Phantoms, and Dragoons. NOT BE A PREQUEL!

[animedreamer]

Vinchisters wrote...

It doesn't have to be a "sequel". My money is on that it's a continuation of the series, likely set about 100 years in the future. Most of the Shepard-era characters are dead or make only small cameos, the galaxy is rebuilt and it's time for a new hero, a new team and a new threat (most likely the Leviathans).

I don't think the Leviathans are a good threat unless you want Reapers 2.0 and so on. Those things can mind control people near instantly unlike the Reapers who needed time. I do not want to fight enemies I can''t fight in face to face or ship to ship combat again. Running around looking for miracle cures to a problem that should have been resolved with a bullet between the enemies brow plates.

Factions, New Alien Races with threats of violence, Rogue Operatives, Revolts, Pirating, Evil Corporations, Biologically Engineered Murder Bots, Genetically Superior Humans who want to rule the galaxy, Batarian Hegemony returns, Slavers, Drug Trafficking, Homicidal Manicas bent on killing entire alien races, Cyborgs, Krogans Mass Producing, there are so many new threats that can be dreamt up going for Reapers again would be a crime of utter failure. Hell just think about anything that is happening right now in our own world and apply space to it with dozens of alien races and you have your next story for the next 3 games.

Modifié par animedreamer, 26 octobre 2013 - 05:37 .

[animedreamer]

 I would also hope they don't go with Teenage or Preteen kid who is super special is trying to save the world or universe.

[Kunari801]

Arcian wrote...

It won't involve Shepard, but you can bet your blue ass it will involve Cerberus.

I can see it now. They Lazarus project Kai Leng and Brooks is his main companion character.   

[Wowky]

ElitePinecone wrote...

How do you figure? A prequel doesn't have to involve Shepard or any of the characters we know, by definition it just needs to take place before ME1 in the timeline.

Depends how strictly you adhere to the "no anything to do with Shepard" quote. That post was an example of super-strict adherence: a prequel couldn't happen because it would be in the same timeline in which Shepard would eventually exist. 

Of course then a post later I offered an almost opposite suggestion, but I guess that was just to emphasise my point that it's possible to really take Mac Walters' quote in any number of ways. The best thing is to wait for something more meaty to surface

[ChaosTheory149]

Wowky wrote...

ChaosTheory149 wrote...

Perhaps we're reading too much into it, but the recent quote by lead writer Mac Walters that ME4 won't have anything to do with Shepard's story, logically, suggests it's a prequel.  

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that the next ME is a preque. And actually, if it's not going to relate to the Shepard 'universe' in any way, then it can't really be a prequel either.

I'm just going to wait until there is official information rather than try to speculate, though. 

Unfortunately, speculation is all we have currently, and I'm hoping, albeit naively, that we forum-lurkers still have a spec of influence over where this franchise that we all care so much about is going. 

My reason for starting the post was to express my disgust with the prequel fetish we see in media today, and to call attention to some comments made by a lead writer that suggest this may be the route BioWare is taking with any ME project they may be working on.  Never said I was right.    Also never thought we'd get to 8 pages, but it proves how passionate folks are about this topic...

Modifié par ChaosTheory149, 27 octobre 2013 - 02:20 .

[KR96]

@ Wowky:
Yeah, I'm quite curious myself as to what degree Bioware will completely ignore Shepard's storyline. But even if they were really going to ignore Shepard to the max, why wouldn't it be a possibility for the next game to be a prequel? I mean, it's obvious that Shepard would exisist eventually, but that doesn't mean that the next game's story has something to do with his story if it were to take place before the events of the Mass Effect trilogy.

Modifié par killerrabbit1996, 27 octobre 2013 - 02:19 .