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[Sailears]

Is this worth it? I mean damage wise, compared armour evolution?

How does cryo ammo/incinerate combo compare to cryo blast/incinerate? I assume much less damage and no explosion (at least I've not noticed huge explosions on mooks).

Looking at rhythms of different engineers - quarian female, human, quarian male, salarian and demolisher (and paladin tbh) and the different one-two punch combos making use of either cryo ammo, cryo blast or snap freeze.

Seems to be split two ways between these characters (other than the paladin who has all three defence busting keys):
- power/grenade to strip shields, followed by cryo ammo shot, then incinerate.
- weapon to strip shields, followed by cryo blast, then incinerate.

The first one would assume cryo ammo + incinerate has significant damage bonus, particularly against armour, otherwise is it better to just go with armour damage on r6?

[Tokenusername]

Freeze combo does more damage, but is much more situational. If you're using on a kit without a natural freeze power, you best have a lot of cyro ammo. Otherwise armor damage is the safer and more consistent way to go.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

Ammo types can only trigger Level 1 Tech Explosions.

Use Cryo Blast to prime instead.

[Excella Gionne]

I never take it, but I might consider it at another time for my Quarian Female Engineer.

[Sailears]

I've got enough cryo ammo - I do like using it but it's a shame that other ammo types are more useful on most characters.

That's good to know it does more damage.

Previois human engineer build had armour damage, but seeing as I always use cryo ammo with him/her it seemed best to pick the freeze combo.

[Sailears]

FatherOfPearl wrote...

Ammo types can only trigger Level 1 Tech Explosions.

Use Cryo Blast to prime instead.

I'm not restricting myself to the quarian female - plenty of great engineers and tbh the main reason is because I love the cryo shatter sound/visual effect so everyone that can make use of cryo ammo gets it - includes most engineers and the paladin.

Edit: to clarify, as long as incinerate freeze combo does more damage to chilled/frozen targets with cryo ammo than armour damage, then all is good.

Modifié par Curunen, 15 octobre 2013 - 10:21 .

[AaronEh]

Freeze Combo works well on the FQE and the Paladin. The other classes with Incinerate I choose Armour Damage.

I prefer Disruptor or Incendiary ammo.

Cryo Blast / Incinerate benefits from Cryo Blast's potential 25% debuff if you spec it.

Freeze Combo works with Cryo ammo on all protections.

Modifié par AaronEh, 15 octobre 2013 - 10:24 .

[Sailears]

Yeah I apologise for my OP being all over the place.

Bottom line - assuming cryo ammo IV as an essential, mandatory part of the kit, freeze combo is better than armour damage on all engineers with incinerate and without cryo blast.

[AaronEh]

Curunen wrote...

Yeah I apologise for my OP being all over the place.

Bottom line - assuming cryo ammo IV as an essential, mandatory part of the kit, freeze combo is better than armour damage on all engineers with incinerate and without cryo blast.

If you will always be using Cryo Ammo.  Then yes, provided you shoot the target to proc the frozen/chill effect.

[Sailears]

Thank you.

[Feelitmon]

Isn't the Freeze Combo evolution of Incinerate bugged so that it only triggers on frozen targets and not on chilled targets? I am almost sure that I read that here recently.

If it only works on frozen targets then it's annoying as can be. First, you can only get the extra Incinerate damage from non-armored, non-shielded enemies. And don't you have to wait that 1 1/2 or 2 seconds for the target to fully freeze solid? It seems like you have to wait that way in order to get cryo explosions anyway.

That said, it's late and I'm groggy so I could be wrong.  If life is uncertainty then I am full of life right now...

[AaronEh]

It works chilled or frozen.

http://social.biowar...527351#14527351

[Shampoohorn]

(Krentinel) * (Striker + Omniblade + Magazine + Cryo-IV) * (Incinerate + Freeze Combo)

= Victory and Lulz.

Extra credit for doing it on Tuchanka.
edit: worth it

Modifié par Shampoohorn, 16 octobre 2013 - 12:00 .

[Titus Thongger]

Shampoohorn wrote...



(Krentinel) * (Striker + Omniblade + Magazine + Cryo-IV) * (Incinerate + Freeze Combo)

= Victory and Lulz.

Extra credit for doing it on Tuchanka.
edit: worth it

this Krogan hipster's hipster build is definitely worth trying out

[Kinom001]

Incinerate 6a and Cryo ammo IV is my go-to combination for my Human Engineer. It works on armored targets amazingly well. I run into issues with barriers but that's what overload is for. The trick is to have a weapon that can apply the crap out of the ammo prior to incinerate, for which I use either the Lancer or Hurricane with an AP mod.

[i hate you all]

Easy way to see it freeze combo works on EVERYTHING where armor damage only benefits against armored targets. This allows you to do more damage overall instead of just armor damage. Its definitly essential on the FQE since you can't make fire explostions for that extra damage against mooks. Acolyte + cryo IV + incinerate can one shot most mooks on gold. Only thing I haven't been able to figure out is the damage difference b/t armor damge/freeze combo against armor.

[Shampoohorn]

Titus Thongger wrote...

Shampoohorn wrote...



(Krentinel) * (Striker + Omniblade + Magazine + Cryo-IV) * (Incinerate + Freeze Combo)

= Victory and Lulz.

Extra credit for doing it on Tuchanka.
edit: worth it

this Krogan hipster's hipster build is definitely worth trying out

Heh, just put him through his paces in PUG.  Ended up on HazMat Tuchanka (yay) vs Collectors.  50 melee kills and lots of frosty troopers shattering. 

[Feelitmon]

AaronEh wrote...

It works chilled or frozen.

http://social.biowar...527351#14527351

Cool, thanks for the confirmation and the link!

[cronshaw]

I use that evolution on my QFE and my Vorcha Hunter
On the QFE because she has cryo blast and on the Vorcha because I initially just started using him to get rid of SMG amps and cryo ammo and I enjoyed the way he played so I still always use him with cryo ammo. Though now i use the talon on him more than the CSMG

[Sailears]

Shampoohorn wrote...



(Krentinel) * (Striker + Omniblade + Magazine + Cryo-IV) * (Incinerate + Freeze Combo)

= Victory and Lulz.

Extra credit for doing it on Tuchanka.
edit: worth it

This sounds perfect.

Must admit I'm not a fan of the striker, and sadly I don't have a venom yet, but this looks like an awesome way to run the sentinel as a melee/cc spec.

AaronEh wrote...

It works chilled or frozen.

http://social.biowar...527351#14527351

Thanks, that makes it very clear.

Modifié par Curunen, 16 octobre 2013 - 10:16 .