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[Fast Jimmy]

crimzontearz wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

You DO realize that the added skills have nothing to do with NG+ in ME1 right??

Of course it does. You have to complete certain objectives in the original game in order to unlock them, yes, but the bonuses and added skills don't become active or available until you create a new character. You can still use these without choosing the "New Game +" feature, but it is still added bonuses for completing the game that make further playthroughs easier. That is, by definition, the very principle of New Game +.

the feature was tied to ACHIEVEMENTS and was applicable to fresh runs so no, it had nothing to do with NG+

And you likely do not understand why people want NG+ to begin with

So you can blast through the game with every over-powers skill, ability and piece of equipment you can? Because that's pretty much the only benefit to the basic NG+ model. 

[crimzontearz]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

You DO realize that the added skills have nothing to do with NG+ in ME1 right??

Of course it does. You have to complete certain objectives in the original game in order to unlock them, yes, but the bonuses and added skills don't become active or available until you create a new character. You can still use these without choosing the "New Game +" feature, but it is still added bonuses for completing the game that make further playthroughs easier. That is, by definition, the very principle of New Game +.

the feature was tied to ACHIEVEMENTS and was applicable to fresh runs so no, it had nothing to do with NG+

And you likely do not understand why people want NG+ to begin with

So you can blast through the game with every over-powers skill, ability and piece of equipment you can? Because that's pretty much the only benefit to the basic NG+ model. 

and yet the hardest way to play ME2 was an insanity NG+ run.

Also, yes, I quite love that BESIDES THE FACT, of course, that a fully leveled character opens the gameplay up to using ALL my tactical options as opposed to force me to wait AGAIN to re-aquire my skills before I can do so (which I am completely ok with in my FIRST run)

[Wulfram]

ME2 NG+ is harder than the regular game I think. At least at the start, since you lack upgrades but the foes are scaled to top level difficulty.

[Star fury]

Are you sure that the game would be good enough so you want to try second time?

[LOLandStuff]

"why people want NG+" translates to "one person obsessing over a useless feature to feel like a badass"

[Fast Jimmy]

Taleroth wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

That is, by definition, the very principle of New Game +.

In that case, Dragon Age Origins had new game plus. Because you could unlock specializations for the new game.

But that's not even remotely close to what people are talkign about for new game +. They want to use the progression they had at the end for the beginning. Not just unlock a few helpers.
 

A) I think handling Specializations that way in Origins was a silly move. 

Nothing about the process gave you any advantage in future playthroughs, other than just not having to go through the same conversation/dialogue options.


It isn't like unlocking the Bard spec during your first playthrough made a Warrior or Mage playthrough easier, or even a future Rogue playthrough, since you would need to have the requisite level and skill points to gain the benefit of the spec. As opposed to ME1, where having a biotic who can use an assault rifle or a Sentinel who could use both a sniper rifle, tech powers as well as a shotgun introduces serious gameplay imbalances. As does the other perks, such as faster XP and money gain rates, higher damage rates for weapons, lower skill costs, etc. Those types of things make the game intrinsically easier for the player on future playthroughs.

To me, that is a defacto New Game +, in addition to the standard New Game + feature, letting you play the exact same character a second time through. 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 16 octobre 2013 - 03:16 .

[fchopin]

It will be nice to have NG+.

[ArtemisMoons]

crimzontearz wrote...

ArtemisMoons wrote...

While I agree that it's not just you, YOU are the one constantly making threads and talking about NG+ in just about every thread you go into. You seem to be the only one who will melt into a puddle of despair if they don't include it. xD
That said, my point was to counter your comment on "well I don't see the need to play as a female so it's totally the same thing as asking for ng+". And I did that. So that's all of my two cents really since I couldn't really care about NG+ and whether or not they add it. 
If they do, swell. I just hope that they have a reason for it rather than "whoo, NG+" because enemies that do not level means that you'll be way above everything else's level which sounds really boring to me. If they don't add it, swell. It is not essential for a good game. 

incorrect, if they do not add it I will likely find it pointless to buy the game

What exactly about my comments were incorrect? I stated that you would "melt into a puddle of dispair" if you didn't get NG+ which is pretty much what you just proved with your "Zomg won't buy if they don't add what I want" attitude. 
I'm pretty sure you're the only one so bent on getting NG+ that you're the only one who won't buy it if they don't add it. xD Either that or the numbers are reaaaaaaaaally low of people like-minded.

Modifié par ArtemisMoons, 16 octobre 2013 - 03:19 .

[Fast Jimmy]

crimzontearz wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

You DO realize that the added skills have nothing to do with NG+ in ME1 right??

Of course it does. You have to complete certain objectives in the original game in order to unlock them, yes, but the bonuses and added skills don't become active or available until you create a new character. You can still use these without choosing the "New Game +" feature, but it is still added bonuses for completing the game that make further playthroughs easier. That is, by definition, the very principle of New Game +.

the feature was tied to ACHIEVEMENTS and was applicable to fresh runs so no, it had nothing to do with NG+

And you likely do not understand why people want NG+ to begin with

So you can blast through the game with every over-powers skill, ability and piece of equipment you can? Because that's pretty much the only benefit to the basic NG+ model. 

and yet the hardest way to play ME2 was an insanity NG+ run.

Also, yes, I quite love that BESIDES THE FACT, of course, that a fully leveled character opens the gameplay up to using ALL my tactical options as opposed to force me to wait AGAIN to re-aquire my skills before I can do so (which I am completely ok with in my FIRST run)

Unlike ME2, DA:I won't be level-scaled. So it wil result in you being able to face roll enemies the entire game. 

I'm not entirely against the feature, or feel it is a bad idea. I just don't feel it is hugely integral or important. If given a list of ten features and Bioware could only choose nine, it would be pretty likely to fall to number ten in most cases and not make the cut unless it did something pretty interesting/unique. 

If it is just like what DE:HR did, which gave the player the chance to be fully augmented right from the start, then I think that would be a rather mundane feature to me. 

And people are just as valid in saying "meh" to a feature someone else likes as anyone else is to make a thread demanding Bioware place it in, quoting other developers doing it, as if that was instantly a reason to drop everything and add it into the game, post haste. 

[crimzontearz]

To you, sure, to me it makes the difference between purchasing a game like DAI or not

[Fast Jimmy]

Star fury wrote...

Are you sure that the game would be good enough so you want to try second time?

This is, in a roundabout way, my exact philosophy. 

I want the base game to be as excellent as possible, so much so that I will miss a New Game + feature. Recent Bioware games have not inspired that level of enthusiasm from me (personal preference, of course). So I'd rather they keep their eye on the prize and make the game as truly engaging and enjoyable that I want to pick it right back up the second I get done.

I'd like that a lot better than them adding ancillary features such as MP or NG+ that would only extend the shelf life of the game for me if the base game itself was enjoyable.  

[ScarMK]

crimzontearz wrote...

To you, sure, to me it makes the difference between purchasing a game like DAI or not

Then if it does buy it, if it doesn't cry and move on.  

[Fast Jimmy]

crimzontearz wrote...

To you, sure, to me it makes the difference between purchasing a game like DAI or not

And if there were a million people just like you, I'd be worried. Or, like the. Bioware romances, just resigned to it being included in the game because demand is high enough to make it a guarantee. 

Since the number of people who not buy the game based on NG+ alone may, quite likely, be consisting of a list of you and only you, then I'll just say it might be cool, but I don't really have loads of confidence that Bioware will get the base game itself right to my tastes, so I's rather they focus on that than include other features that don't. 

Worst case scenario? Buy the PC version and use console commands to unlock all skills right from the beginning of the game so you can use all the tactical skills right from the get go.

[crimzontearz]

ArtemisMoons wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

ArtemisMoons wrote...

While I agree that it's not just you, YOU are the one constantly making threads and talking about NG+ in just about every thread you go into. You seem to be the only one who will melt into a puddle of despair if they don't include it. xD
That said, my point was to counter your comment on "well I don't see the need to play as a female so it's totally the same thing as asking for ng+". And I did that. So that's all of my two cents really since I couldn't really care about NG+ and whether or not they add it. 
If they do, swell. I just hope that they have a reason for it rather than "whoo, NG+" because enemies that do not level means that you'll be way above everything else's level which sounds really boring to me. If they don't add it, swell. It is not essential for a good game. 

incorrect, if they do not add it I will likely find it pointless to buy the game

What exactly about my comments were incorrect? I stated that you would "melt into a puddle of dispair" if you didn't get NG+ which is pretty much what you just proved with your "Zomg won't buy if they don't add what I want" attitude. 
I'm pretty sure you're the only one so bent on getting NG+ that you're the only one who won't buy it if they don't add it. xD Either that or the numbers are reaaaaaaaaally low of people like-minded.

your ability to dramatize and misunderstand is lovely.

No, I would not despair, no more then when I did not buy DA2 for the sane reason. Let's see if I can walk you through it.

1: I play the games I love an exorbitant amount of times (more than 2 dozen times for ME 1&2, each)

2: I love Bioware games

3: I GENERALLY play them a lit of times.

4: due to my OCD like repulsion for re working for something I already achieved I am unable to replay a game that is heavy on progression without NG+

5: because of 4 I would be able to play DAI only once without NG+ which I would see as an utter waste...thus, it would be pointless for me to buy it.

I an not threatening Bioware, it is simply the way I purchase my games

[crimzontearz]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

You DO realize that the added skills have nothing to do with NG+ in ME1 right??

Of course it does. You have to complete certain objectives in the original game in order to unlock them, yes, but the bonuses and added skills don't become active or available until you create a new character. You can still use these without choosing the "New Game +" feature, but it is still added bonuses for completing the game that make further playthroughs easier. That is, by definition, the very principle of New Game +.

the feature was tied to ACHIEVEMENTS and was applicable to fresh runs so no, it had nothing to do with NG+

And you likely do not understand why people want NG+ to begin with

So you can blast through the game with every over-powers skill, ability and piece of equipment you can? Because that's pretty much the only benefit to the basic NG+ model. 

and yet the hardest way to play ME2 was an insanity NG+ run.

Also, yes, I quite love that BESIDES THE FACT, of course, that a fully leveled character opens the gameplay up to using ALL my tactical options as opposed to force me to wait AGAIN to re-aquire my skills before I can do so (which I am completely ok with in my FIRST run)

Unlike ME2, DA:I won't be level-scaled. So it wil result in you being able to face roll enemies the entire game. 

I'm not entirely against the feature, or feel it is a bad idea. I just don't feel it is hugely integral or important. If given a list of ten features and Bioware could only choose nine, it would be pretty likely to fall to number ten in most cases and not make the cut unless it did something pretty interesting/unique. 

If it is just like what DE:HR did, which gave the player the chance to be fully augmented right from the start, then I think that would be a rather mundane feature to me. 

And people are just as valid in saying "meh" to a feature someone else likes as anyone else is to make a thread demanding Bioware place it in, quoting other developers doing it, as if that was instantly a reason to drop everything and add it into the game, post haste. 

1: I game on console

2: Inused Eidos as an example, since other people on the DEHR boards argued like you are, but Eidos still decided in favor of NG+

3: Bioware originally removed NG+ from ME2, then re added it last minute realizing it was a much wanted feature. Just to put things into perspective

[wright1978]

Never understood the appeal of NG+ personally.

[cjones91]

I'm all for NG+ since I love destroying enemies with my high leveled character I used from my first playthrough and doing things you could'nt do because your level was'nt high enough at that point.

[cjones91]

wright1978 wrote...

Never understood the appeal of NG+ personally.

It adds replay value to the game by allowing playings to use weapons/skills/powers on a fresh playthrough by using the character they first completed the game with.

[crimzontearz]

cjones91 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Never understood the appeal of NG+ personally.

It adds replay value to the game by allowing playings to use weapons/skills/powers on a fresh playthrough by using the character they first completed the game with.

god forbid they add an optional feature someone does not find appealing

[ScarMK]

crimzontearz wrote...

god forbid they add an optional feature someone does not find appealing

God forbid they add a feature or else a child won't buy the game.  

[crimzontearz]

ScarMK wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

god forbid they add an optional feature someone does not find appealing

God forbid they add a feature or else a child won't buy the game.  

without it I would not find tue game appealing past one run....why would I buy it then??

[ScarMK]

crimzontearz wrote...

without it I would not find tue game appealing past one run....why would I buy it then??

Then don't buy it.  Don't throw a temper tantrum to get them to put it in just because I WANT IT *huffy pout*

[crimzontearz]

ScarMK wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

without it I would not find tue game appealing past one run....why would I buy it then??

Then don't buy it.  Don't throw a temper tantrum to get them to put it in just because I WANT IT *huffy pout*

uh...no, I am miffed because a series I like LESS is getting it....and a series I would REALLY love to enjoy playing is not, also, chances are I am quite older than you so I would tone it down if I were you as you are just sounding like an ass

[Wulfram]

What's precisely the desired feature of NG+

High level character?
High level opponents?
Keeping your high level items?
Same character? (in terms of looks and name and class)

I mean, if you were just allowed to start at level 20, would that be OK?  Or is it the whole package?

Modifié par Wulfram, 16 octobre 2013 - 04:28 .

[Adela]

crimzontearz wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

god forbid they add an optional feature someone does not find appealing

God forbid they add a feature or else a child won't buy the game.  

without it I would not find tue game appealing past one run....why would I buy it then??

well to be fair the game does have replayability  without NG+
like for example you can play diffrent races diffrent classes  and make diffrent decisions, I played origins with every single race and class possible  DA2 however I only played it about 7 times not as much as origins tho

Modifié par ag99, 16 octobre 2013 - 04:34 .