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[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

You mean her shapeshifting?  I never use it.  I wish you could re-spec her.

I'd prefer she could had or could learn Natural Spell. Though since that would probably lean too far the other way I'd be content with being able to shapechange in some useful way non-combat way that didn't involve being broken as crud. (Something involving scent tracking or flight, for instance. She makes clear in her conversations she has forms that can do both of those.)

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 05 novembre 2013 - 09:20 .

[Mike3207]

In the Landsmeet, I'd have liked if the male Cousland could have become King instead of Consort.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

It's a bit of a tough sell, since he's neither the widow nor the brother of the previous king, but I suppose I can see it if the Warden gets every vote except Ceorlic's and has max Coercion and high Cunning.

[Thing The Wiz]

@NeverwinterKnight

You can respec any of your characters with the following mod, so set up Morrigan as you would prefer her to be...
http://social.bioware.com/project/469/

 

Modifié par Thing The Wiz, 08 novembre 2013 - 09:58 .

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I'll have to try that out, one day.

As for the Cousland, I don't like the whole consort vs. regnant business.  I think the king (noble warden) and queen (Anora) should rule jointly.  That reminds me.  You should have been given the chance to flirt with Queen Anora.  I'm a romantic at heart, so I don't like the idea of a loveless marriage.  I like to imagine that they fell for one another. 

Modifié par Neverwinter_Knight77, 09 novembre 2013 - 01:02 .

[Icy Magebane]

I would have wanted to be able to convince a romanced Morrigan to stay and forget about the Dark Ritual... just let the other Warden die, and live happily ever after. Yeah, yeah, wishful thinking...

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Icy Magebane wrote...

I would have wanted to be able to convince a romanced Morrigan to stay and forget about the Dark Ritual... just let the other Warden die, and live happily ever after. Yeah, yeah, wishful thinking...

She's afraid you'll be the one to die. Good luck convincing her to stay for that.

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

I'll have to try that out, one day.

As for the Cousland, I don't like the whole consort vs. regnant business.  I think the king (noble warden) and queen (Anora) should rule jointly.  That reminds me.  You should have been given the chance to flirt with Queen Anora.  I'm a romantic at heart, so I don't like the idea of a loveless marriage.  I like to imagine that they fell for one another.  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

I thought you could do that in Awakenings?

Edit: For that matter, when I asked as my boon "I only want to continue serving the crown," I seem to recall getting different responses depending on whether I was engaged to her. The response for when I'd married her started with "Well, I have no doubt you'll manage that." (Of course, I was only barely paying attention at this point, since I'd just beaten the game and was only half-heartedly listening...)

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 10 novembre 2013 - 08:34 .

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

There's no kiss in Awakening with Anora, unlike Alistair and the female warden.  It comes across as more "arranged" to me.  Then again I just remembered that a public display of affection would be bad royal protocol, if the U.K. is any indication.  Still, there don't seem to be any clues either way.  It's all imagination, I think, which is unfortunate.

I think my Cousland's boon was Loghain's terynir, by the way.  I figured if I'm going to be a consort, I might as well get myself some real power, lol.

Modifié par Neverwinter_Knight77, 11 novembre 2013 - 03:39 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

That's a good way to go about it. On the other hand, being the chancellor (my second Cousland and both my Suranas' boons) will also accomplish this. (Albeit with less job security, since the king/queen can fire you whenever (s)he wants.)

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 12 novembre 2013 - 12:47 .

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

You know what?  I wish you could reason with Brother Genetivi.  I let the High Dragon live, because like Alistair says, I don't like the idea of making a museum out of the place, where everybody takes some of the ashes until they're all gone.  Not to mention attracting more people who would desecrate the holy relic, like Kolgrim wanted to.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

Here's some thoughts:
 - You should have been able to make Jarvia the Queen of the Dwarves and kill both Harrowmont and Bhelen.
- In the mage's harrowing, you should have been able to let the demon in, and then show a battle scene with the templars killing you.  Or ... you could just play the game as an abomination. 
- In the Broken Circle quest, you should have been able to side with Uldred and get abominations in your army.
- You should have been able to execute Anora.
- Conversely, if you are the male human noble that has arranged a marriage with her, there should be a love scene or at least a kiss.
- The blood mage that you can spare in the tower should have been recruitable.
- You should have been able to teach the Arcane Warrior specialization to the Dalish.
- A male human noble should have been able to adopt Amethyne in the alienage, especially if he was romantically involved with Iona.

Modifié par Sir Pounce-a-lot, 12 novembre 2013 - 02:40 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...

Here's some thoughts:
 - You should have been able to make Jarvia the Queen of the Dwarves and kill both Harrowmont and Bhelen.

That would absolutely never have worked. One large reason is because attacking you is pretty much the only rational move, since she's very likely to die either way judging by what happened to her Carta. (And this assumes you aren't the one who killed her previous... boyfriend? Husband? Either way.) The main reason, though, is that the entire Assembly would have joined Bhelen in seeking your head if you tried this.

- In the mage's harrowing, you should have been able to let the demon in, and then show a battle scene with the templars killing you.  Or ... you could just play the game as an abomination. 

Playing the game as the abomination wouldn't have worked: it would just have been the non-standard game over when you turned in front of the templars. Though that should have been an option.

- In the Broken Circle quest, you should have been able to side with Uldred and get abominations in your army.

A: You would have been annuled over this.
B: The army that you gained would have been abominations. There is no freaking way that would have ended well.

- You should have been able to execute Anora.

A hardened, ruling Alistair who's not ruling alongside her heavily implies that she's only being allowed to live for the rest of the Blight, and that as soon as the immediate danger of him dying is over, so is she. For Bioware to go any further in this direction would have meant Bioware is letting you create the possibility of there not being a ruler. Wrangling out what the epliogue would look like then would be way more trouble than it's worth.

- Conversely, if you are the male human noble that has arranged a marriage with her, there should be a love scene or at least a kiss.

Here we agree.

- The blood mage that you can spare in the tower should have been recruitable.

You can already add her to the mage army, if you have the right spec. Adding her to the party would have been a nice touch too.

- You should have been able to teach the Arcane Warrior specialization to the Dalish.
- A male human noble should have been able to adopt Amethyne in the alienage, especially if he was romantically involved with Iona.

Yes to both. It is theirs by right, and as for Amethyne at the very least you should have been able to do something.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 12 novembre 2013 - 05:58 .

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...

Here's some thoughts:
 - You should have been able to make Jarvia the Queen of the Dwarves and kill both Harrowmont and Bhelen.

That would absolutely never have worked. One large reason is because attacking you is pretty much the only rational move, since she's very likely to die either way judging by what happened to her Carta. (And this assumes you aren't the one who killed her previous... boyfriend? Husband? Either way.) The main reason, though, is that the entire Assembly would have joined Bhelen in seeking your head if you tried this.

- In the mage's harrowing, you should have been able to let the demon in, and then show a battle scene with the templars killing you.  Or ... you could just play the game as an abomination. 

Playing the game as the abomination wouldn't have worked: it would just have been the non-standard game over when you turned in front of the templars. Though that should have been an option.

- In the Broken Circle quest, you should have been able to side with Uldred and get abominations in your army.

A: You would have been annuled over this.
B: The army that you gained would have been abominations. There is no freaking way that would have ended well.

- You should have been able to execute Anora.

A hardened, ruling Alistair who's not ruling alongside her heavily implies that she's only being allowed to live for the rest of the Blight, and that as soon as the immediate danger of him dying is over, so is she. For Bioware to go any further in this direction would have meant Bioware is letting you create the possibility of there not being a ruler. Wrangling out what the epliogue would look like then would be way more trouble than it's worth.

- Conversely, if you are the male human noble that has arranged a marriage with her, there should be a love scene or at least a kiss.

Here we agree.

- The blood mage that you can spare in the tower should have been recruitable.

You can already add her to the mage army, if you have the right spec. Adding her to the party would have been a nice touch too.

- You should have been able to teach the Arcane Warrior specialization to the Dalish.
- A male human noble should have been able to adopt Amethyne in the alienage, especially if he was romantically involved with Iona.

Yes to both. It is theirs by right, and as for Amethyne at the very least you should have been able to do something.

Installing Jarvia as the Queen would involve a complete overhaul of Dwarven politics.  The assembly would be abolished and all noble houses would be stripped of their power.  The caste system would be fully overturned.  Basically, she would be Bhelen on steroids, and this would involve turning her and the carta into revolutionaries.  The current Dwarven government would have been overthrown.  Personally, I would not consider this to be a good option, since Orzammar would be run by criminals for a while, but it would completely shatter their caste system and their nobility.

Playing as an abomination wouldn't work.  I was joking there, but it would have been good if the templars killed you once you became an abomination.

You're right about the army of abominations not working.

As for the blood mage that you can spare in the tower, if your Warden is a blood mage, assassin, or reaver, you have the option of recruiting her, but she never shows up once the quest is over.  She either flees, is killed, or was going to be a possible companion but Bioware changed their mind and just never removed that.

Modifié par Sir Pounce-a-lot, 12 novembre 2013 - 07:07 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...

Installing Jarvia as the Queen would involve a complete overhaul of Dwarven politics.  The assembly would be abolished and all noble houses would be stripped of their power.  The caste system would be fully overturned.  Basically, she would be Bhelen on steroids, and this would involve turning her and the carta into revolutionaries.  The current Dwarven government would have been overthrown.  Personally, I would not consider this to be a good option, since Orzammar would be run by criminals for a while, but it would completely shatter their caste system and their nobility.

The only problem is that the Assembly would have to go for it, at first. Bringing back a living, breathing paragon probably wouldn't be sufficient for this (because they fear exactly what you describe), and that's without the problem of how you'll get Jarvia's cooperation.

As for the blood mage that you can spare in the tower, if your Warden is a blood mage, assassin, or reaver, you have the option of recruiting her, but she never shows up once the quest is over.  She either flees, is killed, or was going to be a possible companion but Bioware changed their mind and just never removed that.

I'd thought it was heavily implied she joins the mage army as a faceless footsoldier.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...

Installing Jarvia as the Queen would involve a complete overhaul of Dwarven politics.  The assembly would be abolished and all noble houses would be stripped of their power.  The caste system would be fully overturned.  Basically, she would be Bhelen on steroids, and this would involve turning her and the carta into revolutionaries.  The current Dwarven government would have been overthrown.  Personally, I would not consider this to be a good option, since Orzammar would be run by criminals for a while, but it would completely shatter their caste system and their nobility.

The only problem is that the Assembly would have to go for it, at first. Bringing back a living, breathing paragon probably wouldn't be sufficient for this (because they fear exactly what you describe), and that's without the problem of how you'll get Jarvia's cooperation.

The Assembly would be gone.  I'm talking about overthrowing the Dwarven government and installing Jarvia as the soverign ruler.  You could still explore the Deep Roads, fight all the enemies, and either side with Branka or Caridin, but once you finished the civil war and installed Jarvia, you could leave if you wanted to, since you would get your army at that point.  Your default army would be Dwarves, and if you wanted golems, then you would need to fight your way to Branka and then side with her.  You could also fight your way through the Deep Roads and side with Caridin just for experience, gold, and gear.  Also, if you wanted Oghren as a permanent companion, you would have to complete the Paragon of Her Kind quest.  Otherwise, he would remain to continue to search for Branka.

Modifié par Sir Pounce-a-lot, 12 novembre 2013 - 07:48 .

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I think most dwarves would rather fight to the death than see a casteless like Jarvia take over.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...

Installing Jarvia as the Queen would involve a complete overhaul of Dwarven politics.  The assembly would be abolished and all noble houses would be stripped of their power.  The caste system would be fully overturned.  Basically, she would be Bhelen on steroids, and this would involve turning her and the carta into revolutionaries.  The current Dwarven government would have been overthrown.  Personally, I would not consider this to be a good option, since Orzammar would be run by criminals for a while, but it would completely shatter their caste system and their nobility.

The only problem is that the Assembly would have to go for it, at first. Bringing back a living, breathing paragon probably wouldn't be sufficient for this (because they fear exactly what you describe), and that's without the problem of how you'll get Jarvia's cooperation.

The Assembly would be gone.  I'm talking about overthrowing the Dwarven government and installing Jarvia as the soverign ruler.  You could still explore the Deep Roads, fight all the enemies, and either side with Branka or Caridin, but once you finished the civil war and installed Jarvia, you could leave if you wanted to, since you would get your army at that point.  Your default army would be Dwarves, and if you wanted golems, then you would need to fight your way to Branka and then side with her.  You could also fight your way through the Deep Roads and side with Caridin just for experience, gold, and gear.  Also, if you wanted Oghren as a permanent companion, you would have to complete the Paragon of Her Kind quest.  Otherwise, he would remain to continue to search for Branka.

I don't think the Carta has enough military power for this. They improvise a lot of their armor, most almost certainly can't afford decent training (judging by said armor), and the much better equipped soldiers that this would unite against them are trained to take down darkspawn.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 12 novembre 2013 - 08:33 .

[MJones]

I wanted the option of having both Loghain and Alistair in my party. The dialogue would have been memorable, as would the conversation over who has to impregnate Morrigan.

[sylvanaerie]

MJones wrote...

I wanted the option of having both Loghain and Alistair in my party. The dialogue would have been memorable, as would the conversation over who has to impregnate Morrigan.

If Loghain was inflicted on me every game, it would have been no argument who impregnates the swamp witch.  The only reason I'd spare him is to inflict as much agony as I could prior to his end.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

sylvanaerie wrote...

MJones wrote...

I wanted the option of having both Loghain and Alistair in my party. The dialogue would have been memorable, as would the conversation over who has to impregnate Morrigan.

If Loghain was inflicted on me every game, it would have been no argument who impregnates the swamp witch.  The only reason I'd spare him is to inflict as much agony as I could prior to his end.

It seems like the idea is that it's still an option, only that Alistair should be able to tolerate it.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I agree in that I'd like to be able to spare Loghain and keep my friendship with Alistair.  My main (city elf) Warden was a redeemer, so it was really not in his character to kill off Loghain.

Howe, on the other hand, needed to pay for what he did to the elves and the Couslands, of course.  Loghain claims that he had no knowledge of the alienage crackdown or kidnapping of his daughter, though he may have been lying to save face at the landsmeet.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Faerunner wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

I agree in that I'd like to be able to spare Loghain and keep my friendship with Alistair.  My main (city elf) Warden was a redeemer, so it was really not in his character to kill off Loghain.

Howe, on the other hand, needed to pay for what he did to the elves and the Couslands, of course.  Loghain claims that he had no knowledge of the alienage crackdown or kidnapping of his daughter, though he may have been lying to save face at the landsmeet.

He definitely knew about the slave-trading though, since he's the one that signed off on it and then used the damage done from the crackdown to try to rationalize it if you call him out at the Landsmeet. My city elf could never forgive him for it. She felt both Howe and Loghain needed to pay for crimes against the alienage.

Much as I'd love to be spiteful and say Loghain should have died in the Joining or never made it because someone killed him before he could drink from the chalice (maybe Alistair) so he could never redeem himself, I'll just settle by saying I think the Dwarf Noble should be able to become king/queen of Orzammar. I think it's bull that only the Human Noble can wear a crown by the end of the game, despite the Dwarf Noble also being royalty and having their own kingdom.

That really ought to have been an option, yes. Though I'll note that at the end of the game a dwarf will technically outrank whichever king you chose, royal or brand.

[lonelyloner]

I wish there's an option to kill Arl Howe's entire family, especially if playing as Human Noble.
Yeah I know, I'm such a cool guy, haha.
Well, if the game's flow of events won't allow such detour, then perhaps give me option to hire Crows assassins or other assassins to go exterminate Howe family.



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I wish I have option to recruit the High Dragon and/or the Andrastean Cult to my army.
If they won't join my army camp outright, then at least have them to agree to act independently against the Blight, like perhaps attacking the Darkspawn army from the rear as they advance to Denerim, or to join the battle to save Redcliffe.

I mean, that's really the whole reason why I decided to go with Kolgrim's request to destroy Andraste's Ashes.
I really really hoped I could entertain possibility of unleashing that High Dragon against the Darkspawn, would have been a mighty sight to see.

Besides, the consideration was clear at that point:
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Guardian: Andraste will never return.
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Kolgrim: The dragon will offer me power.

So it's pretty clear in pragmatic consideration that Kolgrim offered more possibilities for my war against the Blight, while Guardian offered me nothing, not even Andraste's aid, not even the Maker's aid, not even his own.
So, yeah sorry Guardian, off with you.

Anyway... Kolgrim, once allowing me to join the Reavers, refused to give further aid.
At that point I had to reassess that "if they are not with me, they are my enemy" and so I kill Kolgrim's gang and kill the High Dragon too.
But that's such a shame.

I wish they actually go with my plan to help against the Darkspawn if only for a while.
Even if they decide to bail in middle of the war, or decide to defect to Darkspawn thus forcing me to kill them then, would still be a whole lot of fun there too.



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I wish there's option to escape with Jowan during Mage Origins Story.
After Jowan got us cornered and then he blasted his way through with blood magic and escapes?
It's always been my intent to escape the tower along with him too, or make my own escape if Jowan's concerned that my phylactery could be used to track him down. I really really hated the Chantry and the Circle Tower, this choice would really allow me to give them the FCCC YOU ALL they deserve.

As to... wouldn't this choice make the game story end? Since then Duncan would not be able to recruit me to Grey Wardens?

Well perhaps then Duncan could track me down and corner and beat me up, and then conscript me to Grey Wardens.

Or an alternate ending to the Origin story: where I eventually run out of luck and had to battle the Templars and dying in blaze of glory. Better to die a free man than to live as prisoner of the Chantry.



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This one really really bothered me:

So, Riordan offered to recruit Loghain into Grey Wardens?
But if he can do that that means he can also try to recruit others as well, right?
Why not ask for other volunteers?
I mean damn it man, there's only 3 of us there ( me, Alistair, Riordan ), having more Grey Warden even if they're just raw recruits, add extra ammo we could use against Archdemon.
Why not give option to recruit Ser Perth, or Cullen (he's proven able to resist demons, surely he stand chance to survive the joining?).
OR... why not make some more of my team mates into Grey Warden? Why not give the chalice to Orghren? Or Leliana? Or Sten? or Zevran?
(And if it's too much trouble to write the story, then at least make them die due to failing the joining, that would still be fun to see)

I wonder if this can be attributed to Riordan's personal oversight, or Bioware's .
Such a shame really.




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Add one more thing:

If I decided to recruit Loghain into Grey wardens? Then should there be option to deploy Loghain's army as well, in addition to Redcliffe soldiers?

Modifié par lonelyloner, 15 novembre 2013 - 03:29 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

lonelyloner wrote...



I wish there's an option to kill Arl Howe's entire family, especially if playing as Human Noble.
Yeah I know, I'm such a cool guy, haha.
Well, if the game's flow of events won't allow such detour, then perhaps give me option to hire Crows assassins or other assassins to go exterminate Howe family.

His wife is dead, his younger son died before you got a chance, you can personally kill the older son. Really seems to me that getting Delilah is just uneccessary, considering all that.