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[BaladasDemnevanni]

3DandBeyond wrote...

There is much to suggest that BW did indeed begin the crucible with the idea of it being a big space cannon, but they couldn't carry it off to not seem cheap.  It was supposed to be a dark energy weapon and easily could have been used to weaken the reapers leading to a real fight.  They balked at this because someone must have wanted to get all creative (or wanted to end the franchise).

Or potentially because such a plot point would come off as extremely bland. If we're really going to go back down the "Defeat the Reapers conventionally" route, then they should have just nerfed them a bit and cut out the Crucible entirely.

[MrMrPendragon]

I don't mind the MEHEM, as long as people still consider it non-canon.

Although I can't really "trick" or "convince" myself that THIS is what happens. Deep down inside I still know the "real" endings, nothing is going to change that. My high EMS destroy EC ending is still the ending I accept as true.

I can never make myself play make-believe with something like this, but that doesn't mean I would prevent people from using it.

[jstme]

ArcherTactlenecks wrote...

I don't mind the MEHEM, as long as people still consider it non-canon.

Although I can't really "trick" or "convince" myself that THIS is what happens. Deep down inside I still know the "real" endings, nothing is going to change that. My high EMS destroy EC ending is still the ending I accept as true.

I can never make myself play make-believe with something like this, but that doesn't mean I would prevent people from using it.

I consider it my canon and you are free to consider whatever you wish as yours canon. How about that?

[MrMrPendragon]

jstme wrote...

ArcherTactlenecks wrote...

I don't mind the MEHEM, as long as people still consider it non-canon.

Although I can't really "trick" or "convince" myself that THIS is what happens. Deep down inside I still know the "real" endings, nothing is going to change that. My high EMS destroy EC ending is still the ending I accept as true.

I can never make myself play make-believe with something like this, but that doesn't mean I would prevent people from using it.

I consider it my canon and you are free to consider whatever you wish as yours canon. How about that?

Technically, you can't "consider" something canon. It's either canon or it isn't.

I guess I should've rephrased

"as long as people still consider it non-canon"

to

"as long as people know it's non-canon"

In this case there are 3 possible endings - one of them is canon depending on where the writers want to take the story, because our choices really don't matter.

[Slayer299]

Actually there are 4 (Destroy, Control, Synthesis, Refuse) and for those who can't stomach the Catalyst there is MEHEM/MEEM and that is *their* Canon for their Shepard.

[MrMrPendragon]

Slayer299 wrote...

Actually there are 4 (Destroy, Control, Synthesis, Refuse) and for those who can't stomach the Catalyst there is MEHEM/MEEM and that is *their* Canon for their Shepard.

Right. Totally forgot about the Refuse one. Thanks for reminding me.

[Deager]

For me I simply enjoy the story for each Shepard I play. Some are MEHEM but I've done synthesis, destroy, refuse, and yet another was destroy with the "that's more like it" mod installed.

Yeah, the canon stuff doesn't bother me. Sometimes I use a mod to get the story I want and I wouldn't argue the canon point; mainly because I don't care. Which, to the main question posted at the beginning of this thread, may be another reason why people get frustrated with MEHEM users. MEHEM is not "canon" (sheesh, sounds like a religious talk now) at all but it's an enjoyable story for some.

I think spreading the word about MEHEM should be tactful as well. For example, with my mod, I pretty much only post on-topic in a thread but if I notice someone say, "I use the Citadel DLC as my ending" then I probably will mention my mod to that person in a PM or possibly in the thread. So, for MEHEM, I might bring it up if someone says they hated the endings or are afraid to finish the game because they heard the endings were "bad," but to just recommend it as "canon" and everyone should use it; I disagree. I think the endings should be experienced once, as intended, and let people decide. Some people LOVE the endings, both EC and pre-EC.

Basically, if we all recognize we have different tastes for this game, can be civil, and not try to force someone to "our" way of thinking about the game, I think all will be fine.

Modifié par Deager, 30 octobre 2013 - 05:34 .

[Dunabar]

I don't hate MEHEM, I just don't accept it as a legit possible canon choice ending. If people want to call it their canon ending, by all means I encourage them to do so. But don't try and tell me it's a legit ending in the game when it's nothing more than a fan-made mod. I'm not bashing it or anyone who uses it by any means, I just won't accept it as anything more than a mod.

[Mathias]

Regardless of what ending I consider canon, as soon as the new Mass Effect comes out, assuming it's good and is a fresh start to the series, I'm basically going to pretend ME3 doesn't exist. It was a blemish on the series.

[Bfler]

Dunabar wrote...

I don't hate MEHEM, I just don't accept it as a legit possible canon choice ending.

You consider the possibility to mutate everything in the galaxy with a jump in a green beam as legit, but not the possibility that the Crucible is simply an anti-Reaper weapon?

Modifié par Bfler, 30 octobre 2013 - 08:05 .

[Bfler]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Bfler wrote...

You consider the possibility to mutate everything in the galaxy with a jump in a green beam as legit, but not the possibility that the Crucible is simply an anti-Reaper weapon?

Destroy

In destroy you still have the strange child, which appears out of nowhere. In MEHEM Shepard activates the weapon via console.

[Seboist]

Bfler wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Bfler wrote...

You consider the possibility to mutate everything in the galaxy with a jump in a green beam as legit, but not the possibility that the Crucible is simply an anti-Reaper weapon?

Destroy

In destroy you still have the strange child, which appears out of nowhere. In MEHEM Shepard activates the weapon via console.

Your assisted LARPing (aka MEHEM) doesn't change the fact that the "strange child" exists or that the story isn't terrible(and not just because of the ending).

Modifié par Seboist, 30 octobre 2013 - 08:17 .

[Ravensword]

Seboist wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Bfler wrote...

You consider the possibility to mutate everything in the galaxy with a jump in a green beam as legit, but not the possibility that the Crucible is simply an anti-Reaper weapon?

Destroy

In destroy you still have the strange child, which appears out of nowhere. In MEHEM Shepard activates the weapon via console.

Your assisted LARPing (aka MEHEM) doesn't change the fact that the "strange child" exists or that the story isn't terrible(and not just because of the ending).

I wouldn't be so down on the MEHEMers. I'm sure they know deep down that the sucky ending still exists and is canon.

[MrMrPendragon]

Ravensword wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Bfler wrote...

You consider the possibility to mutate everything in the galaxy with a jump in a green beam as legit, but not the possibility that the Crucible is simply an anti-Reaper weapon?

Destroy

In destroy you still have the strange child, which appears out of nowhere. In MEHEM Shepard activates the weapon via console.

Your assisted LARPing (aka MEHEM) doesn't change the fact that the "strange child" exists or that the story isn't terrible(and not just because of the ending).

I wouldn't be so down on the MEHEMers. I'm sure they know deep down that the sucky ending still exists and is canon.

Yeah that's the bad part. No matter what mod you can conjure up, the original endings still exist and you know it

Modifié par ArcherTactlenecks, 30 octobre 2013 - 08:40 .

[Abraham_uk]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I don't have MEHEM installed and never will. I will always choose to accept canon possibilities over fan fiction.

That being said, I have no real reason to hate on MEHEM's existence or others' decision to make it the ending to their story. No MEHEM users I have seen have suggested that it is an official canon possibility or that others who choose not to use MEHEM "should" use it because it's better. They very clearly state that it's a personal decision to believe in an unofficial ending than accept the current ones.

Which, when we're talking about a work of fiction, is something I find to be acceptable and even healthy. It's taking the idea of "don't like it? make something better" and applying it. I've read a lot of crappy fan fiction in my earlier days, and some good stuff. Fan fiction, on the whole, can be a very liberating and cathartic exercise. There's nothing wrong with creation borne out of frustration of others' works, and indeed I can think of many writers who began writing because of dissatisfaction with what they were reading.

I don't find a game mod to be any different. It's a different form of fan fiction, one that improves someone's enjoyment of the game. So long as they recognize the personal nature of their ending and don't suggest that it is as legitimate as BioWare's for others, then I don't see the issue.

Didn't realise there was hate over this.
I'm okay with the current endings thanks to extended cut.

That said MEHEM is a nice mod. I'm a little annoyed that us console gamers can't have access to mods.
I youtubed MEHEM. If you take the destroy ending and remove the extermination of the geth you get MEHEM. (There are other changes in the MEHEM besides removing the extermination of geth).

[Abraham_uk]

Hate is a strong word.

People say they hate something when they merely dislike it.

[Dunabar]

Bfler wrote...

Dunabar wrote...

I don't hate MEHEM, I just don't accept it as a legit possible canon choice ending.

You consider the possibility to mutate everything in the galaxy with a jump in a green beam as legit, but not the possibility that the Crucible is simply an anti-Reaper weapon?

MEHEM is a mod and only a mod made by a fan for the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

Synthesis is a legit canon choice ending because it was made by BioWare just like Destroy, Control, and Refuse were.

If MEHEM was..
1. Made by BioWare
2. Open across all platforms

I would consider it a legit canon choice ending. But it's not, so it's nothing more than a mod. You're mistaking my possible as a "Could it happen?" possible, not a possible like "I can possibly choose this path" like I meant it.

Modifié par Dunabar, 30 octobre 2013 - 09:11 .

[Iakus]

Seboist wrote...

Your assisted LARPing (aka MEHEM) doesn't change the fact that the "strange child" exists or that the story isn't terrible(and not just because of the ending).

No we can't destroy the Catalyst.  But we can bury him deep and try to forget about that bundle of stupid and its insane troll logic exists.

As for the rest of the game.  Well, modding can only do so much.  Especially with such a mod-unfriendly game.

[Abraham_uk]

You are all welcome to ignore official canon.

MEHEM does make the endings a lot more palatable for people who still find even the Extended Cut hard to swallow.

I youtubed MEHEM. It's a good ending. It's not legit as Dunabar said, but it's good.

[Iakus]

Dunabar wrote...

MEHEM is a mod and only a mod made by a fan for the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

Synthesis is a legit canon choice ending because it was made by BioWare just like Destroy, Control, and Refuse were.

If MEHEM was..
1. Made by BioWare
2. Open across all platforms

I would consider it a legit canon choice ending. But it's not, so it's nothing more than a mod. You're mistaking my possible as a "Could it happen?" possible, not a possible like "I can possibly choose this path" like I meant it.

Serious question here:

Let's say that anannouncement is made that ME4 will be a completely fresh start.  It will not be a direct sequel to any of the endings.  And since "the Shepard Incident" will not be addressed in future games, the audience is free to imagine The Reaper War ending any way they like.  Including headcanon and fanfiction like Marauder Shields, MEHEM, even IT in all its flavors. 

Would MEHEM then be considered a "legitimate" ending?

[Chashan]

Ravensword wrote...

I wouldn't be so down on the MEHEMers. I'm sure they know deep down that the sucky ending still exists and is canon.

Deep down, I also know there is this odd title called 'Tiberian Twilight' out there, which other than taking up the early concept name of the planned third installment in that series by C&C's original developers, Westwood, had zilch to do with C&C. Same is largely true of Tiberium Wars, although that at least serves as a serviceable enough engine for mods.

Should things come down to 'canonizing' anything following ME3 on BW's end, I know where and how to cut ties. If they decided to reroll things and go as far as retconning ME2 and 3 out of existence, that would do as well. ME1 established a nice enough setting as a stand-alone, one that wouldn't exactly suffer if the Reapers were left in transit-limbo rather than blitzing to the galaxy in a couple years.

[Abraham_uk]

iakus wrote...

Serious question here:

Let's say that anannouncement is made that ME4 will be a completely fresh start.  It will not be a direct sequel to any of the endings.  And since "the Shepard Incident" will not be addressed in future games, the audience is free to imagine The Reaper War ending any way they like.  Including headcanon and fanfiction like Marauder Shields, MEHEM, even IT in all its flavors. 

Would MEHEM then be considered a "legitimate" ending?

No. However it would reduce the odds of headcanon and fan fiction contradicting the events of the game.
Nothing is stopping you from supplementing established fiction with your own fiction. It doesn't matter whether or not it's "legitimate".

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 30 octobre 2013 - 09:24 .

[Deager]

iakus wrote...
Would MEHEM then be considered a "legitimate" ending?

I'd still say "who cares?" If I enjoy MEHEM for my ending (which I usually do) I don't really care what anybody else thinks about it. Which also means I don't want to try to impose my choice on them regarding the endings. If someone likes pre-EC control with low EMS...go for it.

Modifié par Deager, 30 octobre 2013 - 09:25 .