I don't think you can have any sort of conventional and happy outcome with a Reaper invasion to begin with. It already sucks the minute that's allowed to happen. ME1 and ME2 felt happy because you were preventing the gates of hell from opening up. It's a whole different story if the gates actually open up and you can't do anything conventional about it. There's nowhere to go but down.
I don't get the hate for MEHEM.
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#477
Posté 30 octobre 2013 - 09:28
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I like the MEHEM. It's a game, and if tehy want the series to actually end like that. BOOM, they don't have buy any more mass effect games and tell themselves that it's cannon. You guys do you boo boo. It's a game do whatever you want. I especially think, since it's such an immersive game, it's only natural to want it to end the way you want, and if this is your way of going about that, enjoy 
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Posté 30 octobre 2013 - 09:35
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Deager wrote...
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Would MEHEM then be considered a "legitimate" ending?
I'd still say "who cares?" If I enjoy MEHEM for my ending (which I usually do) I don't really care what anybody else thinks about it. Which also means I don't want to try to impose my choice on them regarding the endings. If someone likes pre-EC control with low EMS...go for it.
Indeed. There appear to be plenty of people out there who imagine their own endings. Including ways which Shepard can be brought back in Control or Synthesis. Or who think the geth and EDI can be repaired. Or even take Refuse as their ending. How "official" or legitimate" are these?
If MEHEM is basically tweaking Destroy so it's not so godawful, and there will be no followup to the story for it to contradict, then why does it matter if it's got the Bioware Stamp of Approval or not?
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Posté 30 octobre 2013 - 09:37
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All this arguing over a fan-made game modification. I'm almost surprised it's been allowed to go on this long, and definitely surprised on it's civility, all things considered....
Mods are never considered canon. And that's all MEHEM is. A mod. That removes something many dislike about the game. Don't like that? Fine. Who's holding the knife to your throat making you play it?
Mods are never considered canon. And that's all MEHEM is. A mod. That removes something many dislike about the game. Don't like that? Fine. Who's holding the knife to your throat making you play it?
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Posté 30 octobre 2013 - 09:38
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iakus wrote...
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MEHEM is a mod and only a mod made by a fan for the game. Nothing more, nothing less.
Synthesis is a legit canon choice ending because it was made by BioWare just like Destroy, Control, and Refuse were.
If MEHEM was..
1. Made by BioWare
2. Open across all platforms
I would consider it a legit canon choice ending. But it's not, so it's nothing more than a mod. You're mistaking my possible as a "Could it happen?" possible, not a possible like "I can possibly choose this path" like I meant it.
Serious question here:
Let's say that anannouncement is made that ME4 will be a completely fresh start. It will not be a direct sequel to any of the endings. And since "the Shepard Incident" will not be addressed in future games, the audience is free to imagine The Reaper War ending any way they like. Including headcanon and fanfiction like Marauder Shields, MEHEM, even IT in all its flavors.
Would MEHEM then be considered a "legitimate" ending?
If BioWare says so pretty much word for word, I would give a nod of my head. I would still roll with the Destroy ending as my canon choice unless the Geth were around, then it would be Control. I respect everyone's love for IT, MEHEM, and such. But any ending like MEHEM that isn't directly made by BioWare or given the go ahead like you stated in your question, is just a fan made mod. No hate for it at all, but it's still a mod.
Till that happens. there are only four legitimate possible ending choices without having to Mod your game; Destroy, Control, Synthesis, and Refuse.
But really for any of our canon endings to come true (Legitimate or fan made mod), the game needs to move forward into the future after the Reaper war.
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Posté 30 octobre 2013 - 09:46
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Just to add, I have no problem with people changing things up. It's like any mod in existence. To have such a problem with it, I'd have to be born yesterday. Mods have existed for years now. I don't know why there's disgust about that.
I just think you're still playing on Bioware's terms by using ME3 as a basis for "happy endings". My point earlier is just that the whole premise of a Reaper Invasion itself is already unhappy. You're written in a corner at this point, no matter how happy you want to make the last 5 minutes of the game. An actual "happy" ending would be driving the Reapers back into darkspace (possibly using the Citadel against them), rather than letting them flood in and being forced to fight on our turf. If I recall, Vigil said the Reapers were weak in dark space. There was a good loophole right there.
Just saying. If I tried my hand at fan fiction, ME3 wouldn't even exist. I wouldn't merely try to modify ME3. I, personally, can't really ignore it though, so I just accept the crappiness of it all. I could even eat a dog turd if I wanted to, as long as I swallowed it down with water real fast and tried to ignore the smell.
That's how I feel about the endings myself. If you like mods, to each their own.
I just think you're still playing on Bioware's terms by using ME3 as a basis for "happy endings". My point earlier is just that the whole premise of a Reaper Invasion itself is already unhappy. You're written in a corner at this point, no matter how happy you want to make the last 5 minutes of the game. An actual "happy" ending would be driving the Reapers back into darkspace (possibly using the Citadel against them), rather than letting them flood in and being forced to fight on our turf. If I recall, Vigil said the Reapers were weak in dark space. There was a good loophole right there.
Just saying. If I tried my hand at fan fiction, ME3 wouldn't even exist. I wouldn't merely try to modify ME3. I, personally, can't really ignore it though, so I just accept the crappiness of it all. I could even eat a dog turd if I wanted to, as long as I swallowed it down with water real fast and tried to ignore the smell.
That's how I feel about the endings myself. If you like mods, to each their own.
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Posté 30 octobre 2013 - 09:46
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Dunabar wrote...
If BioWare says so pretty much word for word, I would give a nod of my head. I would still roll with the Destroy ending as my canon choice unless the Geth were around, then it would be Control. I respect everyone's love for IT, MEHEM, and such. But any ending like MEHEM that isn't directly made by BioWare or given the go ahead like you stated in your question, is just a fan made mod. No hate for it at all, but it's still a mod.
Till that happens. there are only four legitimate possible ending choices without having to Mod your game; Destroy, Control, Synthesis, and Refuse.
But really for any of our canon endings to come true (Legitimate or fan made mod), the game needs to move forward into the future after the Reaper war.
Well Bioware has already stated that the next Mass Effect game "doesn’t relate necessarily to any of the Shepard events at all, whatsoever." So we're pretty much halfway there already.
And fyi, there are seven endings, don't forget the low and mid EMS endings
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Posté 30 octobre 2013 - 09:58
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iakus wrote...
Dunabar wrote...
If BioWare says so pretty much word for word, I would give a nod of my head. I would still roll with the Destroy ending as my canon choice unless the Geth were around, then it would be Control. I respect everyone's love for IT, MEHEM, and such. But any ending like MEHEM that isn't directly made by BioWare or given the go ahead like you stated in your question, is just a fan made mod. No hate for it at all, but it's still a mod.
Till that happens. there are only four legitimate possible ending choices without having to Mod your game; Destroy, Control, Synthesis, and Refuse.
But really for any of our canon endings to come true (Legitimate or fan made mod), the game needs to move forward into the future after the Reaper war.
Well Bioware has already stated that the next Mass Effect game "doesn’t relate necessarily to any of the Shepard events at all, whatsoever." So we're pretty much halfway there already.
And fyi, there are seven endings, don't forget the low and mid EMS endings
I never have low/mid EMS at the end so lol.
But they're still already put in the game without having to mod it. They're just as acceptable as the high ems choices.
Modifié par Dunabar, 30 octobre 2013 - 10:16 .
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Posté 30 octobre 2013 - 10:09
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And now I get the hate for MEHEM.
Some people are annoyed/angered over others who have chosen to mod a game, one that technically isn't moddable.
Cheers! [/thread]
Some people are annoyed/angered over others who have chosen to mod a game, one that technically isn't moddable.
Cheers! [/thread]
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Posté 30 octobre 2013 - 10:20
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iakus wrote...
Serious question here:
Let's say that anannouncement is made that ME4 will be a completely fresh start. It will not be a direct sequel to any of the endings. And since "the Shepard Incident" will not be addressed in future games, the audience is free to imagine The Reaper War ending any way they like. Including headcanon and fanfiction like Marauder Shields, MEHEM, even IT in all its flavors.
Would MEHEM then be considered a "legitimate" ending?
No. Its still fanfiction
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Posté 31 octobre 2013 - 12:31
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A Golden Dragon wrote...
And now I get the hate for MEHEM.
Some people are annoyed/angered over others who have chosen to mod a game, one that technically isn't moddable.
Cheers! [/thread]
Actually, reading the previous posts, I'd say people are not annoyed that others chose to mod the game, but rather, they are annoyed that others consider the modded version canon to the point that everything comes to a debate.
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Posté 31 octobre 2013 - 01:38
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I think MEHEM is great and I'm glad someone took the tremendous efforts to make a mod of this caliber. You can tell a lot of work went into this mod and I don't get the hate for anything that's an option. That so many people found a way to enjoy ME again w/ this mod is only a plus in my book. I know it's fanfiction and I'm okay w/ that. Both vanilla and EC ME3 forced me to create my onw headcanon ending anyway, so I don't see the big deal. That said, it's not for me. It makes ME3 even more linear than it already is. Even w/ the new "you can lose" feature it's still not enough for me to fiddle around w/ it. But that's my only criticism of it and I'm very glad that it exists.
Modifié par JamieCOTC, 31 octobre 2013 - 01:40 .
