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[KevinT18]

Why did he keep saying Mac "confirmed" this wont involve Shepard and crew just now?

We've known this for over a year.

Otherwise I agree with him on the next game, not completely on ME3, but definitely on the next ME

[Iakus]

KevinT18 wrote...

Why did he keep saying Mac "confirmed" this wont involve Shepard and crew just now?

We've known this for over a year.

Otherwise I agree with him on the next game, not completely on ME3, but definitely on the next ME

Well, he confirmed mor ethan that this time.  Now he's saying that the next game probably won't involve any of Shepard's story at all.  That suggests not even the endings will play a role.

That's a good thing, imo

[jstme]

I agree with everything he says. But the thing is,the easiest way to disregard Shepard story is to go for a prequel or ME1/ME2/preME3 spin off.
In this case i don't see how The Endings can be ignored. It will still loom over everything that happens in ME4,casting its dark shadow on new story, regardless whether Sheprad ,reapers,Wrex or real main character - Conrad are mentioned in ME4 or not. Playing as Hawk in Kirkwall during blight while knowing how it all ended from DA:O is totally different from playing as ,say, Vulture in Omega during reaping and knowing how ME universe is going to be slaughtered.

[AsheraII]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

I agree that its a rich universe we can expand on, no I don't think we need shepard and I also don't think we need more of the endings. I would at least like references to some old characters though, so it doesn't feel to far removed from the original trilogy (maybe even some cameos).

Same here, I very much agree that the Mass Effect universe is big and interresting enough to stand on its own, without a mandatory Shepard.
I'm not as anti-endings as TB is though. (he admitted there that he actually didn't even PLAY the game to its endings). They're not fantastic endings, but not terrible either. I would've done them different myself if I had been the developer, but ah well.

But yes, I'd love to see more of the ME universe, and do believe it could eclipse the Star Wars and Star Trek IPs if used right. The ME universe is already of a better quality. It just has to be put to good use now.

[dorktainian]

It is a universe that can be expanded on. How far is really in the imagination of the writers and the fans. Mass Effect 3 left us in limbo. How do they get out of that one?

or are they just going to forget about the trilogy?

[Dieb]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

I love the Mass Effect characters as much as the next guy, but they're the most disposable part of the whole thing.


You can always write new characters and make them just as good, or even better than, the old ones.

See: Dragon Age 2.

Say what you want about the execution, but the DA2 cast alone was amazing and just as good as the DAO one - just, very different. Which is what they want with ME4.

[Mathias]

Tron Mega wrote...

i dont miss mass effect.

i miss liking mass effect.

[Ruadh]

I'm fine with letting Shep and crew go when bioware actually addresses both their fates and the ending. And I mean properly addresses, not the 'Here's a vague slideshow, but don't complain, cause its free.' that we got.

[Mathias]

jstme wrote...

I agree with everything he says. But the thing is,the easiest way to disregard Shepard story is to go for a prequel or ME1/ME2/preME3 spin off.
In this case i don't see how The Endings can be ignored. It will still loom over everything that happens in ME4,casting its dark shadow on new story, regardless whether Sheprad ,reapers,Wrex or real main character - Conrad are mentioned in ME4 or not. Playing as Hawk in Kirkwall during blight while knowing how it all ended from DA:O is totally different from playing as ,say, Vulture in Omega during reaping and knowing how ME universe is going to be slaughtered.

I would actually argue that it's easier to just do a reboot of the series or set it in alternate universe. You'll notice that while each Final Fantasy game (with the exception of XIII I think, but that's a WHOLE nother argument) has a different story, characters, lore, etc, but at their core they're still Final Fantasy games. They all share very familiar elements. I can totally see that happening with Mass Effect. Anything that completely moves away from the events of the first trilogy is the best thing that Bioware can do imo. Because most people have made it clear that they have no interest in a prequel/midiquel. 

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 18 octobre 2013 - 11:58 .

[MrFob]

I absolutely agree with what he says about ME4. New stories and new characters could really work for ME4, IMO. The universe is so vast at this point, that it makes sense to take up another viewpoint and explore things from a slightly different angle.

[dorktainian]

nice.

unless the movie (eventually) is about shep - and they want to leave his story resolution till then?

Possible?

[NeonFlux117]

dorktainian wrote...

nice.

unless the movie (eventually) is about shep - and they want to leave his story resolution till then?

Possible?

In all honesty this is what may happen. 

Like Halo did with ODST and Reach, BioWare will explore other options. But once the fanbase begins to yearn for shep and crew's return, we will get "Mass Effect 4". And like Halo 4 is, it will probably be the best in the series. But again, BioDerp is gonna herpaderp for a little while with Mass Effect. 

The kicker is, that the next Mass Effect game, will most likely really, really focus on MP rather than single player. So....... If it does well on that front- as ME3 did pretty well, then expect more of the same. 

Either way, expect a more Multiplayer driven product with micro transactions and a Mass Effect "Premium Pass" thing. They'll probably had more hub world and a bit more exploration. Similar to ME1 and ME2. But the single player game will be shorter and more streamlined. The MP will be the focus of the next Mass Effect game. 

I really, really like the MP in ME3. So if the MP is awesome and better in the next Mass Effect game, I might check it out.......


But I won't play the single player- or if I play it, it will probably just be once and then move on- I can almost guarantee that I won't have 7 playthroughs like I had for ME1, in this "New" Mass Effect series. 

We call that a paradox ;)

[dorktainian]

they do realise the 'Destiny' is coming out dont they? whats the point of mass effect multiplayer when that monster hits the consoles? It'll be 'adios bioderp' and hellooooooo Bungie. Take my Money.

anyways off now... must do some work.

Modifié par dorktainian, 18 octobre 2013 - 12:50 .

[AsheraII]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

nice.

unless the movie (eventually) is about shep - and they want to leave his story resolution till then?

Possible?

In all honesty this is what may happen. 

Like Halo did with ODST and Reach, BioWare will explore other options. But once the fanbase begins to yearn for shep and crew's return, we will get "Mass Effect 4". And like Halo 4 is, it will probably be the best in the series. But again, BioDerp is gonna herpaderp for a little while with Mass Effect. 

The kicker is, that the next Mass Effect game, will most likely really, really focus on MP rather than single player. So....... If it does well on that front- as ME3 did pretty well, then expect more of the same. 

Either way, expect a more Multiplayer driven product with micro transactions and a Mass Effect "Premium Pass" thing. They'll probably had more hub world and a bit more exploration. Similar to ME1 and ME2. But the single player game will be shorter and more streamlined. The MP will be the focus of the next Mass Effect game. 

I really, really like the MP in ME3. So if the MP is awesome and better in the next Mass Effect game, I might check it out.......


But I won't play the single player- or if I play it, it will probably just be once and then move on- I can almost guarantee that I won't have 7 playthroughs like I had for ME1, in this "New" Mass Effect series. 

We call that a paradox ;)

I'm worried that you're right.
Still, it'd be way better than a themepark MMO funneling the player into some terrible "raiding" endgame content.

[crimzontearz]

I do not mind the fresh start, hell I welcome it

But answer me this

How do I know Mac is not going to pull the same crap again in the next Mass Effect and juat throw me a huge artistic middle finger at the end?

[dorktainian]

crimzontearz wrote...

I do not mind the fresh start, hell I welcome it

But answer me this

How do I know Mac is not going to pull the same crap again in the next Mass Effect and juat throw me a huge artistic middle finger at the end?

you don't.

be prepared for disappointment. 

[Ieldra]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...


It's about 5 minutes long. Regardless of whether or not you like TB, I think he makes great points. Just wondering what your thoughts are?

Odd, to see a video I agree with to about 90%. Pretty good points indeed. The ME universe is still compelling and the next game will be the less tainted by ME3 the less of the existing cast is in it and the less it refers to the events of ME3. Still, it has to take place somewhen and somewhere with a defined relationship in space and time to the events of the trilogy, if the universe is to retain its unity. I can't see the developers solving that dilemma. 

As for "how can I be sure the elements I disliked in ME3 won't be in the next game"? I can't, and that's why I won't return to the MEU unless and until I have evidence they wont be in it. Mainly, the next game will have to build up its credit from a negative balance.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 octobre 2013 - 01:41 .

[crimzontearz]

dorktainian wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I do not mind the fresh start, hell I welcome it

But answer me this

How do I know Mac is not going to pull the same crap again in the next Mass Effect and juat throw me a huge artistic middle finger at the end?

you don't.

be prepared for disappointment. 

no need


 
My policy is, after ME3, never to buy a game I have any sort of investment in without reading full spoilers first

[crimzontearz]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...


It's about 5 minutes long. Regardless of whether or not you like TB, I think he makes great points. Just wondering what your thoughts are?

Odd, to see a video I agree with to about 90%. Pretty good points indeed. The ME universe is still compelling and the next game will be the less tainted by ME3 the less of the existing cast is in it and the less it refers to the events of ME3. Still, it has to take place somewhen and somewhere with a defined relationship in space and time to the events of the trilogy, if the universe is to retain its unity. I can't see the developers solving that dilemma. 

As for "how can I be sure the elements I disliked in ME3 won't be in the next game"? I can't, and that's why I won't return to the MEU unless and until I have evidence they wont be in it. Mainly, the next game will have to build up its credit from a negative balance.

I concur

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...


It's about 5 minutes long. Regardless of whether or not you like TB, I think he makes great points. Just wondering what your thoughts are?

Odd, to see a video I agree with to about 90%. Pretty good points indeed. The ME universe is still compelling and the next game will be the less tainted by ME3 the less of the existing cast is in it and the less it refers to the events of ME3. Still, it has to take place somewhen and somewhere with a defined relationship in space and time to the events of the trilogy, if the universe is to retain its unity. I can't see the developers solving that dilemma. 

As for "how can I be sure the elements I disliked in ME3 won't be in the next game"? I can't, and that's why I won't return to the MEU unless and until I have evidence they wont be in it. Mainly, the next game will have to build up its credit from a negative balance.

Agree with pretty much everything in linked video. Universe has a lot to offer in the right hands & it doesn't need Shep to be the protaganist.
As to the issue you raise. The only solution i see is choosing an ending & other choices as the default they want to use & having no import. It's a parrallel universe to the player's universe

[crimzontearz]

By default that DOES reference Shepard and his decision even if indirectly

The best solution is a reboot

[crimzontearz]

Or even better

If some of you are familiar with the "D20 world of darkness setting" ...that, that would likely solve it all

[dorktainian]

to be fair to total biscuit ( a fellow brit) he was criticising bioderp well before the release of mass effect 3 as bits and pieces of what we could expect surfaced. The one i remember the most was his opinion of 'day one DLC'.

talks a lot of sense does the lad.

[crimzontearz]

dorktainian wrote...

to be fair to total biscuit ( a fellow brit) he was criticising bioderp well before the release of mass effect 3 as bits and pieces of what we could expect surfaced. The one i remember the most was his opinion of 'day one DLC'.

talks a lot of sense does the lad.

day one DLC is rarely a good idea especially with Bioware's past attitude about it