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[Seboist]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

The only people in this camp are... Tali(maybe)....

I thought if you sell Legion to Cerberus; Tali will still retain her view on AIs.

It also gets rid of Shepard's terrible "the geth are better than this!" autodialogue.

Improvements all around.

Also, no wasting time with a pointless heretic sub-plot in 2.

[FlamingBoy]

Mcfly616 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Oh, and Refuse which is BioWare's way of saying **** you to those who dislike the original endings.

Oh, please....it was not. Conventional victory was never going to happen. Let it go.

Of course it could have happened, but they went the "mysterious super weapon" route and reaped the benefits

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

EDI isn't a person.

Neither were you, once.

Did you seriously just say this? 

I just find your lack of self-awareness rather amusing.

I can see your running out of things to say

[General TSAR]

Xilizhra wrote...

I just find your lack of self-awareness rather amusing.

It's also amusing watching you digging yourself into a deeper hole.

[Steelcan]

tsk tsk that's ban worthy Xil, maybe even perma ban.


All I have to say in response is "lol"

[David7204]

The silly part of all this is that the same people trying to claim that humans have a super-special secret component which makes them alive that can't be replicated by man for some reason are the ones who whine about precisely the same thing concerning Synthesis.

[Br3admax]

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

EDI isn't a person.

Neither were you, once.

Did you seriously just say this? 

I just find your lack of self-awareness rather amusing.

No really, stop talking. Now. Comparing a robot to me being human, especially sense I was always born a person and have always enjoyed the life style that many people did not and still do not, is without a doub the single most stupid, ignorant, and facepalm worthy comment I have ever heard. Seriously, stop talking. The amount of absurdity from this statement is nauseating. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 20 octobre 2013 - 02:28 .

[General TSAR]

Guys let's face it, even with Herculean amount of strength and willpower, the coalition races still need supplies and since old man Hackett sent every man, ship, and bullet into the assault on Terra, well....you know.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

The silly part of all this is that the same people trying to claim that humans have a super-special secret component which makes them alive that can't be replicated by man for some reason are the ones who whine about precisely the same thing concerning Synthesis.

I don't think anyone here has said that humans have some "special spark"


Its mostly been doubt that AI's could ever exist like EDI or that AI's are merely an imitation of life and cannot fully encompass the same experiences humans are capable of because of our complex brain processes

[iOnlySignIn]

Mcfly616 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Oh, and Refuse which is BioWare's way of saying **** you to those who dislike the original endings.

Oh, please....it was not. Conventional victory was never going to happen. Let it go.

I never asked for a conventional victory. I was perfectly happy with the original endings and all the speculations.

Then EC came out and eliminated any real chance for the player to use their own imagination to come up with better interpretations (such as IT). Now you really have to do what Star Brat says, or face annihilation.

How is that an improvement? EC is the worst possible outcome of any kind of fan - creater interaction.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 20 octobre 2013 - 02:30 .

[crimzontearz]

Mcfly616 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Oh, and Refuse which is BioWare's way of saying **** you to those who dislike the original endings.

Oh, please....it was not. Conventional victory was never going to happen. Let it go.

right because tying that ending to shooting the catalyst had no subtle meaning uh?

[General TSAR]

Steelcan wrote...

tsk tsk that's ban worthy Xil, maybe even perma ban.

Can you shoot me a PM? I'm dying to know what that egomanic said.

Modifié par General TSAR, 20 octobre 2013 - 02:29 .

[Mcfly616]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Oh, and Refuse which is BioWare's way of saying **** you to those who dislike the original endings.

Oh, please....it was not. Conventional victory was never going to happen. Let it go.

Of course it could have happened

that would've been believable.

[David7204]

And why is that? Because the human brain somehow operates outside the laws of physics? And thus can carry out functions no man-made object can?

Modifié par David7204, 20 octobre 2013 - 02:31 .

[Steelcan]

General TSAR wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

tsk tsk that's ban worthy Xil, maybe even perma ban.

Can you shoot me a PM? I'm dying to know what that egomanic said.

PM'sare only between friends, sent you a request

[Br3admax]

General TSAR wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

tsk tsk that's ban worthy Xil, maybe even perma ban.

Can you shoot me a PM? I'm dying to know what that egomanic said.

I'm kind of curious. 

[iOnlySignIn]

Mcfly616 wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Oh, and Refuse which is BioWare's way of saying **** you to those who dislike the original endings.

Oh, please....it was not. Conventional victory was never going to happen. Let it go.

Of course it could have happened

that would've been believable.

More believable than shoot tube to choose color, at the very least.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 20 octobre 2013 - 02:31 .

[Xilizhra]

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

EDI isn't a person.

Neither were you, once.

Did you seriously just say this? 

I just find your lack of self-awareness rather amusing.

No really, stop talking. Now. Comparing a robot to me being human, especially sense I was always born a person and have always enjoyed the life style that many people did not and still do not, is without a doub the single most stupid, ignorant, and facepalm worthy comment I have ever heard. Seriously, stop talking. The amount of absurdity from this statement is nauseating. 

Fascinating that being compared to a robot actually insults you. I'd hardly mind (depending on the model).

[KaiserShep]

Xilizhra wrote...
Undoubtedly, but a vital one. What precedent are you worried about?

Basically, we would be rewriting the basis upon which we define what constitutes a life, which is not something to be taken lightly. This goes back to your answer to whether or not someone should go to prison for dismantling a laptop with an AI on it. How do you define what constitutes life? How do you determine whether or not a person should have their own way of life forfeit because they shut down or dismantled equipment that they acquired legally, which only served to the apparent detriment of what is essentially a manufactured set of code? Let's say a man had an AI-equipped robot walking around the house. Let's say that the robot's power source began to malfunction, and the man just didn't want to pay the price of replacing it? Should this be criminal neglect? Why? For all intents and purposes, both the man and the robot in this scenario would be slave to the cost of constant maintenance required to keep it running indefinitely, especially since the robot has no actual expiration date. It will just stop working as far too many things break down to be repaired.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 20 octobre 2013 - 02:33 .

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

And why is that? Because the human brain somehow operates outside the laws of physics?

Of course not.  Its just so complex that and capable of such ranges of emotion, physical capabilities etc... itd be almost impossible to replicate.  For all their fancy math ability AI like EDI aren't capable of experiencing life like a human could. 

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

EDI isn't a person.

Neither were you, once.

Did you seriously just say this? 

I just find your lack of self-awareness rather amusing.

No really, stop talking. Now. Comparing a robot to me being human, especially sense I was always born a person and have always enjoyed the life style that many people did not and still do not, is without a doub the single most stupid, ignorant, and facepalm worthy comment I have ever heard. Seriously, stop talking. The amount of absurdity from this statement is nauseating. 

Fascinating that being compared to a robot actually insults you. I'd hardly mind (depending on the model).

[iOnlySignIn]

Xilizhra wrote...

Fascinating that being compared to a robot actually insults you. I'd hardly mind (depending on the model).

There are plenty of people who think a fertilized egg is a human being too.

If asked to choose between a fertilized egg and a computer which to be my friend, I'd choose the computer without hesitation. But that's just me.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 20 octobre 2013 - 02:33 .

[Br3admax]

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

EDI isn't a person.

Neither were you, once.

Did you seriously just say this? 

I just find your lack of self-awareness rather amusing.

No really, stop talking. Now. Comparing a robot to me being human, especially sense I was always born a person and have always enjoyed the life style that many people did not and still do not, is without a doub the single most stupid, ignorant, and facepalm worthy comment I have ever heard. Seriously, stop talking. The amount of absurdity from this statement is nauseating. 

Fascinating that being compared to a robot actually insults you. I'd hardly mind (depending on the model).

I don't think you get what I'm acutally mad about. Which is unsurprising given the general lack of sense you portray with the statement.