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[Xilizhra]

KaiserShep wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Undoubtedly, but a vital one. What precedent are you worried about?

Basically, we would be rewriting the basis upon which we define what constitutes a life, which is not something to be taken lightly. This goes back to your answer to whether or not someone should go to prison for dismantling a laptop with an AI on it. How do you define what constitutes life? How do you determine whether or not a person should have their own way of life forfeit because they shut down or dismantled equipment that they acquired legally, which only served to the apparent detriment of what is essentially a manufactured set of code? Let's say a man had an AI-equipped robot walking around the house. Let's say that the robot's power source began to malfunction, and the man just didn't want to pay the price of replacing it? Should this be criminal neglect? Why? For all intents and purposes, both the man and the robot in this scenario would be slave to the cost constant maintenance required to keep it running indefinitely, especially since the robot has no actual expiration date. It will just stop working as far too many things break down to be repaired.

I would call it criminal neglect, yes. If you don't want to go through the effort of maintaining something, don't acquire responsibility of it.

[David7204]

That is simply silly.

[wolfhowwl]

So if synthetics are people what should we make of EDI destroying Eva Core?

Did EDI murder a prisoner, is she a war criminal?

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 20 octobre 2013 - 02:35 .

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

EDI isn't a person.

Neither were you, once.

Did you seriously just say this? 

I just find your lack of self-awareness rather amusing.

No really, stop talking. Now. Comparing a robot to me being human, especially sense I was always born a person and have always enjoyed the life style that many people did not and still do not, is without a doub the single most stupid, ignorant, and facepalm worthy comment I have ever heard. Seriously, stop talking. The amount of absurdity from this statement is nauseating. 

Fascinating that being compared to a robot actually insults you. I'd hardly mind (depending on the model).

Now that is a Mary Sue (in Tales of the Bounty Hunters). Liara doesn't even come close.

I don't think you get what I'm acutally mad about. Which is unsurprising
given the general lack of sense you portray with the statement.

Well, then, would you be so kind as to tell me?

Modifié par Xilizhra, 20 octobre 2013 - 02:35 .

[AresKeith]

Br3ad wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

tsk tsk that's ban worthy Xil, maybe even perma ban.

Can you shoot me a PM? I'm dying to know what that egomanic said.

I'm kind of curious. 

It's in the group

[Mcfly616]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Oh, and Refuse which is BioWare's way of saying **** you to those who dislike the original endings.

Oh, please....it was not. Conventional victory was never going to happen. Let it go.

I never asked for a conventional victory. I was perfectly happy with the original endings and all the speculations.

Then EC came out and eliminated any real chance for the player to use their own imagination to come up with better interpretations (such as IT). Now you really have to do what Star Brat says, or face annihilation.

How is that an improvement? EC is the worst possible outcome of any kind of fan - creater interaction.

I disagree. imo, EC is the best possible outcome. While the original ending was entirely too vague and ambiguous, the EC fills in the blanks and still allows us to wonder what the future has in store for the citizens of the galaxy. As well as allowing us to decide what our Shepards do with the rest of their lives. Shame IT got destroyed. But it was rather ridiculous anyways.

[Br3admax]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Fascinating that being compared to a robot actually insults you. I'd hardly mind (depending on the model).

There are plenty of people who think a fertilized egg is a human being too.

If asked to choose between a fertilized egg and a computer which to be my friend, I'd choose the computer without hesitation. But that's just me.

Not the point. 

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

That is simply silly.

David you have proven your own understanding of brain functions to fall somewhere between an intelligent ferret and an intoxicated nine year old

[General TSAR]

I just read your message Xilizhra, you are screwed in the head.

[FlamingBoy]

David7204 wrote...

The silly part of all this is that the same people trying to claim that humans have a super-special secret component which makes them alive that can't be replicated by man for some reason are the ones who whine about precisely the same thing concerning Synthesis.

There was once was a young man named david
from the world hipocracy he tried to save it
  but the problem with his delusions
  is he does not know conclusions
and he will continue to be berated

[Mcfly616]

crimzontearz wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Oh, and Refuse which is BioWare's way of saying **** you to those who dislike the original endings.

Oh, please....it was not. Conventional victory was never going to happen. Let it go.

right because tying that ending to shooting the catalyst had no subtle meaning uh?

you would read into it that way lol

Modifié par Mcfly616, 20 octobre 2013 - 02:38 .

[KaiserShep]

Xilizhra wrote...
I would call it criminal neglect, yes. If you don't want to go through the effort of maintaining something, don't acquire responsibility of it.

Then by your logic, the production of the actual parts, as well as the manufacturing of the code that comprises the entirety of artificial intelligence is one massive slave trade. Both the corporations and their customers would be guilty of this, by the logic you're using, and their production would be halted as it would be illegal, and AI would cease to exist.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 20 octobre 2013 - 02:40 .

[Xilizhra]

KaiserShep wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
I would call it criminal neglect, yes. If you don't want to go through the effort of maintaining something, don't acquire responsibility of it.

Then by your logic, the production of the actual parts, as well as the manufacturing of the code that comprises the entirety of artificial intelligence is one massive slave trade. Both the corporations and their customers would be guilty of this, by the logic you're using, and their production would be halted, and artificial intelligence would cease to exist.

Not, I suspect, if none of them were ever created to be used as property, simply created because, well, you want to add more life.

[iOnlySignIn]

StreetMagic wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Fascinating that being compared to a robot actually insults you. I'd hardly mind (depending on the model).

There are plenty of people who think a fertilized egg is a human being too.

If asked to choose between a fertilized egg and a computer which to be my friend, I'd choose the computer without hesitation. But that's just me.

That's because you can surf porn on a computer. What the hell is an egg going to do for you?

Exactly.

The value and rights of a being should depend on what it is capable of. 

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
I would call it criminal neglect, yes. If you don't want to go through the effort of maintaining something, don't acquire responsibility of it.

Then by your logic, the production of the actual parts, as well as the manufacturing of the code that comprises the entirety of artificial intelligence is one massive slave trade. Both the corporations and their customers would be guilty of this, by the logic you're using, and their production would be halted, and artificial intelligence would cease to exist.

Not, I suspect, if none of them were ever created to be used as property, simply created because, well, you want to add more life.

The last thing this planet needs is MORE sapient life

[AresKeith]

KaiserShep wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
I would call it criminal neglect, yes. If you don't want to go through the effort of maintaining something, don't acquire responsibility of it.

Then by your logic, the production of the actual parts, as well as the manufacturing of the code that comprises the entirety of artificial intelligence is one massive slave trade. Both the corporations and their customers would be guilty of this, by the logic you're using, and their production would be halted as it would be illegal, and AI would cease to exist.

What logic?

[Br3admax]

General TSAR wrote...

I just read your message Xilizhra, you are screwed in the head.

Dude, I gotta read this now. 

[Steelcan]

Br3ad wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

I just read your message Xilizhra, you are screwed in the head.

Dude, I gotta read this now. 

its in Ghost's Purgatory

[AlanC9]

wolfhowwl wrote...

So if synthetics are people what should we make of EDI destroying Eva Core?

Did EDI murder a prisoner, is she a war criminal?

Eva was trying to take over the ship. EDI's allowed to kill her if she can't restrain her. Since we'd only have EDI's word about what was possible, you'd never get a conviction.

[Rusty Sandusky]

General TSAR wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

tsk tsk that's ban worthy Xil, maybe even perma ban.

Can you shoot me a PM? I'm dying to know what that egomanic said.

I want to see this too.

[Br3admax]

Haha, Steelcan, we got your back, man.

[Steelcan]

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

tsk tsk that's ban worthy Xil, maybe even perma ban.

Can you shoot me a PM? I'm dying to know what that egomanic said.

I want to see this too.

its in ghost's purgatory

[Rusty Sandusky]

Steelcan wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

I just read your message Xilizhra, you are screwed in the head.

Dude, I gotta read this now. 

its in Ghost's Purgatory

Where is it in Ghosts Purgatory? I can't find it?