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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm sure it's much more complicated than that. Otherwise, they probably would have taken off as soon as they crashed. That would be fairly simple enough. I'm seeing the implication that they're going to be stuck there for at least a matter of days to make some repairs. To think otherwise is wishful thinking.

How does that matter in the slightest? They'd still return to Earth.

Yes. And by then, the hospital scene would have already taken place. The hospital scene isn't going to wait for the Normandy to arrive.

No, I wouldn't. I'm not being exclusionary. I'm simply saying that only Miranda and Jack are in a position to be with Shepard at the hospital, having both been on Earth. And I'm also saying that due to largely unbalanced amount of content for them in comparison to other LI's, there's nothing wrong with Miranda and Jack getting a little extra in this hospital scene. You already have something we don't in the memorial scene. And the final goodbye. And the final mission. And the love scene on the Normandy.

Do you even ending critics? Anything happening at the end with implications of definite happily-ever-after scenarios will be seen as having infinitely more weight. Which... really, it does.

Definite happy ever after? Don't you already get that enough with everything else in Destroy? And if not, what does adding Miranda/Jack grabbing Shepard's hand when he breathes in a hospital due to increase that? The hospital scene would still be there for you, just without your LI. Meanwhile, you're safe in the knowledge that Liara is speeding home and Shepard is alright. 

Well now you're going to turn this into a 'merits of destroy' argument so we can drop that now. Simply put, I'm one of the unfettered.

Don't flatter yourself.

I'm not. I'm describing a mindset, and one that I agree with and hold my Shepard to share. Don't flatter yourself by making an etymological failure.

[Mathias]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's a question about a specific matter where some Destroyers appear to be unhappy compared with those who choose Synthesis or Control:

I've seen quite a few Destroyers complain that they don't get to see their Shepard in the epilogue. Why is that? Whenever I read such complaints, I want to answer: "Hey, *your* Shepard gets to live! Stop complaining, damn it" Yet I rarely see complaints from those who choose Synthesis about their Shepard not surviving, even though most of us would rather have them survive, while some Destroyers go on and on ad nauseam about not being given canonical confirmation that their Shepard survives when exactly that happens.

I'll answer this for you, being a player who picked Destroy.

It's because we needed something more concrete than just a ambiguous breath sequence. When the EC first came out the breath scene remained unchanged but we also got that hope spot with the LI not putting your name up. It wasn't enough but on that day Tully Ackerland (sorry if I spelled his last name wrong) made a post that confirmed that Shepard is indeed alive. It was official. So while we didn't get that nice epilogue of seeing our Shepard alive, at least we knew he was alive and that was set in stone.

Unfortunately Chris Priestly and Chris Hepler not long after that, took it upon themselves to basically say "Nope! It's ambigous. That could be his final breath before he dies." And just like that we were back to square one. 

Here's the thing. Shepard was already critically wounded and bleeding out. He then gets engulfed in an explosion after shooting the Crucible, and then what follows is an even larger explosion that engulfs the area that Shep was in, burning him even further. Surviving this situation would be impossible. Even if by some divine miracle Shepard survives, he'd be so horribly scared he wouldn't be reckognizable. He'd just be this paralyzed mound of burnt scar tissue. Think Freddy Kreuger but much worse.

The whole thing makes no sense. They didn't even attempt to try and justify how Shepard could survive, probably because they know how absolutely far fetched and ridiculous the whole scenario is. I believe that this is truly the reason why the breath scene is ambiguous, because Bioware cannot come up with a logical explanation as to how Shepard could be alive after all that. The writing is so incredibly hamfisted and awful, it still amazes me to this day that there are people out there that think this is a well written ending.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 20 octobre 2013 - 01:59 .

[Xilizhra]

Yes. And by then, the hospital scene would have already taken place. The hospital scene isn't going to wait for the Normandy to arrive.

What, Shepard can only wake up in a hospital once? Who says Shepard would even do so right away? It might take a couple of days.

Definite happy ever after? Don't you already get that enough with everything else in Destroy?

Well, no, but you didn't want to continue that.

And if not, what does adding Miranda/Jack grabbing Shepard's hand when he breathes in a hospital due to increase that? The hospital scene would still be there for you, just without your LI. Meanwhile, you're safe in the knowledge that Liara is speeding home and Shepard is alright.

That doesn't really help. Certainly not in the mind of everyone already annoyed by the ending.

I'm not. I'm describing a mindset, and one that I agree with and hold my Shepard to share. Don't flatter yourself by making an etymological failure.

Then I presume your unfettered goals are about destruction rather than actually helping people, as that's the route you took.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 20 octobre 2013 - 01:58 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

StreetMagic wrote...

Xilizthra's stance basically seems to amount to "I got mine. Oh well about you. lololol"

I have no doubt that if Liara had the hypothetical hospital scene, s/he'd be praising it.

[Xilizhra]

StreetMagic wrote...

Xilizthra's stance basically seems to amount to "I got mine. Oh well about you. lololol"

Oh, I don't have nearly all I'd want in terms of what plot is shown onscreen, by far.

I have no doubt that if Liara had the hypothetical hospital scene, s/he'd be praising it.

She. Also, no. Destroy is still disgusting no matter what scene comes after it.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 20 octobre 2013 - 02:21 .

[Xilizhra]

StreetMagic wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Xilizthra's stance basically seems to amount to "I got mine. Oh well about you. lololol"

Oh, I don't have nearly all I'd want in terms of what plot is shown onscreen, by far.

There's a lot to extrapolate from your choices though. That's the main difference. Control/Liara as LI, right? I can see the narrative threads pop out there. Of course, all of them could be better, but you have a lot to work with.

In terms of plot extrapolations, Destroy has at least as many as Control; you both get epilogue scenes of the same length, and Shepard's alive.

[Br3admax]

Xilizhra wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Xilizthra's stance basically seems to amount to "I got mine. Oh well about you. lololol"

Oh, I don't have nearly all I'd want in terms of what plot is shown onscreen, by far.

There's a lot to extrapolate from your choices though. That's the main difference. Control/Liara as LI, right? I can see the narrative threads pop out there. Of course, all of them could be better, but you have a lot to work with.

In terms of plot extrapolations, Destroy has at least as many as Control; you both get epilogue scenes of the same length, and Shepard's alive.

Not really what extrapolation means. 

[Xilizhra]

Is Shepard alive? I really don't know.

In this case, I don't have a terribly high amount of sympathy, as you're apparently headcanoning an inferior scenario so you can complain about not having enough. Why not just, since we're all using our imaginations for things beyond the ending anyway, assume Shepard is alive if that's what you want, and then work up from there?

[Xilizhra]

StreetMagic wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Is Shepard alive? I really don't know.

In this case, I don't have a terribly high amount of sympathy, as you're apparently headcanoning an inferior scenario so you can complain about not having enough. Why not just, since we're all using our imaginations for things beyond the ending anyway, assume Shepard is alive if that's what you want, and then work up from there?

I don't want your sympathy. I just don't understand putting cliffhangers at the end of trilogies. I don't know what i'm supposed to do with that.

Presumably the same that I do with my blob of vague intentions at the end of Control? Or the even vaguer look at an uncertain future in Synthesis?

[Xilizhra]

If you're having the same problem, then I'll drop it. I just thought you were relatively happy (like the OP assumed about others with those choices).

I am. I just can't see why you're not, because you really have as much as I do. Unless of course it's guilt, in which case I understand perfectly.

[wright1978]

StreetMagic wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Is Shepard alive? I really don't know.

In this case, I don't have a terribly high amount of sympathy, as you're apparently headcanoning an inferior scenario so you can complain about not having enough. Why not just, since we're all using our imaginations for things beyond the ending anyway, assume Shepard is alive if that's what you want, and then work up from there?

I don't want your sympathy. I just don't understand putting cliffhangers at the end of trilogies. I don't know what i'm supposed to do with that.

Neither do I. I think it's the height of scumminess especially when it's still the same after an EC supposed to provide clarification & closure. Live Shep apparently isn't worthy of anything real though as that's reserved for dead shep.

[General TSAR]

Who would feel guilt over a sexbot going defunct?

[Uncle Jo]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Yup, I'm a big government advocate. All because I think Control's premise is plausible for Shepards who already virtually dictate the politics of Galactic affairs.

Temporarily. And in war time.

There is a little difference between commanding around because every leader suddenly got their brains taken out and their head stuck in the sand and dictate govern the galaxy and its matters for the time being.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 20 octobre 2013 - 02:59 .

[Br3admax]

General TSAR wrote...

Who would feel guilt over a sexbot going defunct?

I felt the same amount of guilt from EDI that I did from being Legion's friend, exploiting the geth, and then frying them. 0. None at all. I'm a sadistic muthaf*cka. 

[AlanC9]

StreetMagic wrote...

I don't want your sympathy. I just don't understand putting cliffhangers at the end of trilogies. I don't know what i'm supposed to do with that.

You do the same thing you do with any other cliffhanger. I've never yet seen a cliffhanger where the hero fell off the cliff.

[crimzontearz]

AlanC9 wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

I don't want your sympathy. I just don't understand putting cliffhangers at the end of trilogies. I don't know what i'm supposed to do with that.

You do the same thing you do with any other cliffhanger. I've never yet seen a cliffhanger where the hero fell off the cliff.

Crysis 1 and Crysis 2.

[Han Shot First]

High EMS Destroy is the only ending where the civilizations of the galaxy win the Reaper War. That's why I'd have Shepard choose it every time, no matter the consequences. Control and Synthesis are at best stalemates. Refuse is an outright defeat.

[Xilizhra]

High EMS Destroy is the only ending where the civilizations of the galaxy win the Reaper War.

Well, except the one you wiped out... and it's not the only one in any case, as the main enemy is defeated regardless.