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[Redbelle]

KaiserShep wrote...

I'm just glad that the aquarium VI had nothing to do with reaper tech.

....or did it?

Dun dun duuuuuuun!

[SwobyJ]

Obadiah wrote...

Maybe that's the point of the Normandy crash scene - to show that technology is still affected by the blast wave in all choices.

It's easy for a ship to get lost out there...

[dorktainian]

everything is reaper tech - or a derivative of it.

Doesnt mean we cant find weird and wonderful ways of adapting it to be used against them.

[Obadiah]

dorktainian wrote...

everything is reaper tech - or a derivative of it.

Doesnt mean we cant find weird and wonderful ways of adapting it to be used against them.

That's the creepy part of the "We can't trust the Geth or EDI because they using Reaper tech" argument. If Sovereign was right, we've been developing along the path they put for us, and of course we're using the Relay network and Citadel.

Still, your companions like Garrus will say things like, "Nothing good ever came from Reaper tech."

[ghost9191]

Obadiah wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

everything is reaper tech - or a derivative of it.

Doesnt mean we cant find weird and wonderful ways of adapting it to be used against them.

That's the creepy part of the "We can't trust the Geth or EDI because they using Reaper tech" argument. If Sovereign was right, we've been developing along the path they put for us, and of course we're using the Relay network and Citadel.

Still, your companions like Garrus will say things like, "Nothing good ever came from Reaper tech."

thought the problem was because they were using reaper code. Which shouldn't have mattered for edi considering she had proven herself a number of times. But the geth were wanting to upgrade using it. Which normally wouldn't be a bad thing, but they were wanting to use the same reaper code that was controling them ( put simply ) which would cause trepidation for most 


Basing your tech off of reaper tech is hardly the same as integrating with it , such as what cerberus did. And we know how that turned out for TIM . Point is, fear about the geth using reaper code isn't unfounded


at least that is my take on it

[The Night Mammoth]

Obviously depends on the person, but I'd guess that generally people who pick Control and Synthesis are more open to, or can stomach, large changes in the narrative. Perhaps their suspension of disbelief is more durable. It's laudable, from my perspective.

[KaiserShep]

Obadiah wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

everything is reaper tech - or a derivative of it.

Doesnt mean we cant find weird and wonderful ways of adapting it to be used against them.

That's the creepy part of the "We can't trust the Geth or EDI because they using Reaper tech" argument. If Sovereign was right, we've been developing along the path they put for us, and of course we're using the Relay network and Citadel.

Still, your companions like Garrus will say things like, "Nothing good ever came from Reaper tech."

I always took that line in a different context, like technology derived from the reapers directly, which has pretty much been the thing that indoctrinated just about everyone that came in close contact to it. It's not as bad as Hackett's line though, where he mentions the Illusive Man's subversion of science, and how it never worked, all the while talking to the very person who is a byproduct of this very thing.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Garrus' line is a hyperbole. EDI is built from reaper tech. As are parts of the SR-2. And parts of Shepard. The entire thing about "reaper tech" is this space magic thing about it that it is bad juju and because it is way beyond our ability to understand it, it is thus evil and mystical. The Citadel is all reaper tech.

I'm surprised that at the start of ME2 they didn't have this scene:

One can start going back through the entire story beginning with ME1 and you can find so many problems it will eventually become clear why the ending became a train wreck.

[Iakus]

I've actually never seen hard evidence that Shepard's cybernetics are made from Reaper tech. It's a reasonable assumption, I think. If you want Space Magic, go to the source, and all. But I don't recall seeing anything describing them aside from "it's all a matter of resources"

[KaiserShep]

No there isn't any, and there's no implication of it either. It's safe to assume that the Lazarus project is just Cerberus voodoo, not reaper madness.

[Obadiah]

No implication other than the fact that renegade Shep's glowy implants look an awful lot like like an orange version of Saren' s.

Modifié par Obadiah, 28 octobre 2013 - 07:11 .

[rashie]

Id say there is even things implying reaper tech where not used, he did not want a control ship in shepard because it could alter his personality, one would think reaper tech for implants is a big no no in such a scenario but i dunno really.

[ghost9191]

@sHOtgUn jUliA

No reaper tech was used in bringing back shepard. They used cybernetics ( i am assuming they were the same that were used on garrus ) to reattach shepards skeleton and for facial reconstruction.But i highly doubt they were Reaper cybernetics.

If they took teh time to mention reaper tech being used to create EDI. i am pretty sure they would have added 5 secs of dialogue to do the same for shepard

and no reaper tech was used in rebuilding the normandy. The reaper IFF was put in afterwards, but that doesn't really count. Plus that caused a minor bump



of course i would welcome evidence to the contrary

[KaiserShep]

There is no evidence, only assumption.

[eyezonlyii]

KaiserShep wrote...

No there isn't any, and there's no implication of it either. It's safe to assume that the Lazarus project is just Cerberus voodoo, not reaper madness.

HA!!! Reaper Madness. please tell me that was a backhanded reference to the movie/musical reefer madness...

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It's Reaper ™ Tech or Reaper derived tech.

But it doesn't really matter. All synthetics were targeted. Even you were partly synthetic -- hinting that the synthetic components would be destroyed.

I'm not arguing about which ending was better or worse. I'm just mentioning this as the general theme of "technology not earned" is evil. See we developed that tech based upon the lines that the reapers desired, not by learning them our own way even though it might have taken us another couple thousand years or longer to get there. We didn't earn it. We found it and used it instead. Thus it was evil, and had to be destroyed.

That's what the destroy ending is about. We have to go back and learn it all on our own. All of what we had gone.

The other two endings say "so what?" to that. We'll keep the tech and build off of it.

[Dr. Megaverse]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

It's Reaper ™ Tech or Reaper derived tech. 

But it doesn't really matter. All synthetics were targeted. Even you were partly synthetic -- hinting that the synthetic components would be destroyed.

I'm not arguing about which ending was better or worse. I'm just mentioning this as the general theme of "technology not earned" is evil. See we developed that tech based upon the lines that the reapers desired, not by learning them our own way even though it might have taken us another couple thousand years or longer to get there. We didn't earn it. We found it and used it instead. Thus it was evil, and had to be destroyed. 

That's what the destroy ending is about. We have to go back and learn it all on our own. All of what we had gone. 

The other two endings say "so what?" to that. We'll keep the tech and build off of it
.

Thats a fresh new argument I've not personally yet seen on this ces--board.  I quite like it. 

Granted rebuilding the Relays as EC shows does kind of say we continued to use Reaper tech, even after Destroy...

[SwobyJ]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Obviously depends on the person, but I'd guess that generally people who pick Control and Synthesis are more open to, or can stomach, large changes in the narrative. Perhaps their suspension of disbelief is more durable. It's laudable, from my perspective.

I agree except 'suspension of disbelief' is part of all the endings, honestly. Crucible being a total 'I-Win' button (regardless of loss of Geth and EDI -- what if you don't care about EDI and the Geth already lost on Rannoch?), is suspension enough...

Sometimes people are even tired of Shepard and want the series to try something else new. Kill him off, try something new, interesting, potentially very dangerous, and hope the next game may be a sequel (in some form or another) that involves the consequences of your actions.

Like I've said, I'm going Synthesis for at least one playthrough, because I just wonder if it'll lead to a shift in tone to at least parts of the next game. Not sure how, but hey, it might!

[SwobyJ]

KaiserShep wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

everything is reaper tech - or a derivative of it.

Doesnt mean we cant find weird and wonderful ways of adapting it to be used against them.

That's the creepy part of the "We can't trust the Geth or EDI because they using Reaper tech" argument. If Sovereign was right, we've been developing along the path they put for us, and of course we're using the Relay network and Citadel.

Still, your companions like Garrus will say things like, "Nothing good ever came from Reaper tech."

I always took that line in a different context, like technology derived from the reapers directly, which has pretty much been the thing that indoctrinated just about everyone that came in close contact to it. It's not as bad as Hackett's line though, where he mentions the Illusive Man's subversion of science, and how it never worked, all the while talking to the very person who is a byproduct of this very thing.

Even Shepard ressurection, in Hackett's eyes probably, never 'worked' for TIM because he eventually took the Normandy, its crew, and EDI, and ran off

[ghost9191]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

It's Reaper ™ Tech or Reaper derived tech. 

But it doesn't really matter. All synthetics were targeted. Even you were partly synthetic -- hinting that the synthetic components would be destroyed.

I'm not arguing about which ending was better or worse. I'm just mentioning this as the general theme of "technology not earned" is evil. See we developed that tech based upon the lines that the reapers desired, not by learning them our own way even though it might have taken us another couple thousand years or longer to get there. We didn't earn it. We found it and used it instead. Thus it was evil, and had to be destroyed. 

That's what the destroy ending is about. We have to go back and learn it all on our own. All of what we had gone. 

The other two endings say "so what?" to that. We'll keep the tech and build off of it
.

Thats a fresh new argument I've not personally yet seen on this ces--board.  I quite like it. 

Granted rebuilding the Relays as EC shows does kind of say we continued to use Reaper tech, even after Destroy...

True, but at least the races tried to understand it better this time around. Rather than just accepting it.  And who knows what will be achieved because of that.

[SwobyJ]

Obadiah wrote...

No implication other than the fact that renegade Shep's glowy implants look an awful lot like like an orange version of Saren' s.

Also

TIM eyes blue
Shepard eyes red
Saren eyes blue

TIM eyes trinity upward
Shepard eyes trinity downward...
Saren eye unified...

Modifié par SwobyJ, 28 octobre 2013 - 07:57 .

[ghost9191]

SwobyJ wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Obviously depends on the person, but I'd guess that generally people who pick Control and Synthesis are more open to, or can stomach, large changes in the narrative. Perhaps their suspension of disbelief is more durable. It's laudable, from my perspective.

I agree except 'suspension of disbelief' is part of all the endings, honestly. Crucible being a total 'I-Win' button (regardless of loss of Geth and EDI -- what if you don't care about EDI and the Geth already lost on Rannoch?), is suspension enough...

Sometimes people are even tired of Shepard and want the series to try something else new. Kill him off, try something new, interesting, potentially very dangerous, and hope the next game may be a sequel (in some form or another) that involves the consequences of your actions.

Like I've said, I'm going Synthesis for at least one playthrough, because I just wonder if it'll lead to a shift in tone to at least parts of the next game. Not sure how, but hey, it might!

Yeah, personally i think destroy and synthesis will both offer something new. Control will be kinda the same sh*t. At least i think so

[Iakus]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Thats a fresh new argument I've not personally yet seen on this ces--board.  I quite like it. 

Granted rebuilding the Relays as EC shows does kind of say we continued to use Reaper tech, even after Destroy...

But in this case, the races have studied and now understand the technology and have learned to make it on their own, rather than have it handed to them, as the Reapers had initially.

[ghost9191]

SwobyJ wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

No implication other than the fact that renegade Shep's glowy implants look an awful lot like like an orange version of Saren' s.

Also

TIM eyes blue
Shepard eyes red
Saren eyes blue

TIM eyes trinity upward
Shepard eyes trinity downward...
Saren eye unified...

Blue = reaper tech       i.e  cerberus troopers


red = bad*ss