ghost9191 wrote...
SwobyJ wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
No implication other than the fact that renegade Shep's glowy implants look an awful lot like like an orange version of Saren' s.
Also
TIM eyes blue
Shepard eyes red
Saren eyes blue
TIM eyes trinity upward
Shepard eyes trinity downward...
Saren eye unified...
Blue = reaper tech i.e cerberus troopers
red = bad*ss
Modifié par SwobyJ, 28 octobre 2013 - 08:09 .
SwobyJ wrote...
I don't think Control will be the same stuff. Everything will still change. We've never advanced past the Reaping cycles, so we have no clue yet how far the Reapers really are in their tech.
"Each a nation."...
Destroy is more recalling the FIGHT against the Reapers, while working towards independence and (in one way or another), humanity itself - "Destroy the Reapers"
Control is the STRUGGLE against the Reapers, while working towards safety and advancement and (in one way or another), the survival of humanity - "Stop/defeat the Reapers"
Synthesis is the dropping of arms (both physical arms and guns) entirely, and embrace of the Reapers and their motivations. It's unknown whether this will lead to good outcomes or bad, in the longer run of things. IMO probably both, and in interesting ways.
Modifié par ghost9191, 28 octobre 2013 - 08:20 .
Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 28 octobre 2013 - 08:28 .
Modifié par ghost9191, 28 octobre 2013 - 08:25 .
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
The future games will have very little to do with the Reaper plot at all. Mac Walters is moving away from it. At most I'd expect Shepard to be referenced in a sequel, all of the characters except Liara, Grunt, and Wrex will probably be dead. Samara and Falare, no where to be found. Liara may end up a bartender like her father (now dead), who knows, and this is where you get your references to the reaper war ("look at those screw ups who almost got everyone killed in that big war we had 400 years ago! I tried to warn them. But did they listen to me? No. And that's why I serve drinks! So what'll it be, hon?") And that's it.
The rest of the time? All new. They want nothing to do with the Shepard story.
ghost9191 wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
That's the creepy part of the "We can't trust the Geth or EDI because they using Reaper tech" argument. If Sovereign was right, we've been developing along the path they put for us, and of course we're using the Relay network and Citadel.dorktainian wrote...
everything is reaper tech - or a derivative of it.
Doesnt mean we cant find weird and wonderful ways of adapting it to be used against them.
Still, your companions like Garrus will say things like, "Nothing good ever came from Reaper tech."
thought the problem was because they were using reaper code. Which shouldn't have mattered for edi considering she had proven herself a number of times. But the geth were wanting to upgrade using it. Which normally wouldn't be a bad thing, but they were wanting to use the same reaper code that was controling them ( put simply ) which would cause trepidation for most
Basing your tech off of reaper tech is hardly the same as integrating with it , such as what cerberus did. And we know how that turned out for TIM . Point is, fear about the geth using reaper code isn't unfounded
at least that is my take on it
Modifié par ghost9191, 28 octobre 2013 - 10:23 .
Except that a Reaper-controlled Legion would do the exact same thing (in an attempt to convince us that the code is safe and thus allow him to bring all geth under permanent Reaper control). Don't consider yourself a master spy just yet ;DLegion kind of proved that he had sucessfully "scrubbed" the code and reverse engineered it to make it safe. Legion wasn't controled by the Reapers even ig he used the code, therefor it would likely be safe for the other Geth.
That's true, but I think that Control and Synthesis require a greater suspension of your disbelief to buy during a playthrough, when you're immersed. I won't deny that the whole situation, from the moment the Catalyst appeared on the screen, completely ripped away any suspension I had, so I think people who choose blue or green are able to withstand the revelations in the last few minutes and not let the more fantastical, nonsensical elements prevent them from being open minded.SwobyJ wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Obviously depends on the person, but I'd guess that generally people who pick Control and Synthesis are more open to, or can stomach, large changes in the narrative. Perhaps their suspension of disbelief is more durable. It's laudable, from my perspective.
I agree except 'suspension of disbelief' is part of all the endings, honestly. Crucible being a total 'I-Win' button (regardless of loss of Geth and EDI -- what if you don't care about EDI and the Geth already lost on Rannoch?), is suspension enough...
Sometimes people are even tired of Shepard and want the series to try something else new. Kill him off, try something new, interesting, potentially very dangerous, and hope the next game may be a sequel (in some form or another) that involves the consequences of your actions.
Like I've said, I'm going Synthesis for at least one playthrough, because I just wonder if it'll lead to a shift in tone to at least parts of the next game. Not sure how, but hey, it might!
AlexMBrennan wrote...
Except that a Reaper-controlled Legion would do the exact same thing (in an attempt to convince us that the code is safe and thus allow him to bring all geth under permanent Reaper control). Don't consider yourself a master spy just yet ;DLegion kind of proved that he had sucessfully "scrubbed" the code and reverse engineered it to make it safe. Legion wasn't controled by the Reapers even ig he used the code, therefor it would likely be safe for the other Geth.
Modifié par JasonShepard, 28 octobre 2013 - 11:35 .
JasonShepard wrote...
AlexMBrennan wrote...
Except that a Reaper-controlled Legion would do the exact same thing (in an attempt to convince us that the code is safe and thus allow him to bring all geth under permanent Reaper control). Don't consider yourself a master spy just yet ;DLegion kind of proved that he had sucessfully "scrubbed" the code and reverse engineered it to make it safe. Legion wasn't controled by the Reapers even ig he used the code, therefor it would likely be safe for the other Geth.
So a Reaper controlled Legion would allow us to blow up the Geth Dreadnaught, allowing the Quarians to win a battle that they would have otherwise lost? Said Reaper controlled Legion would then proceed to help us assault a Reaper base on Rannoch, including providing evac for Shepard when a Reaper Destroyer would have otherwise killed the Commander? In fact, said Reaper controlled Legion's actions directly result in the destruction of the Destroyer, the Reapers losing control of the Geth, and losing the battle for Rannoch.
Your 'Reaper-controlled Legion' allows a situation in which the Geth - a useful asset for the Reapers - can be released from Reaper control, and then potentially wiped out by the Quarians, rather than taking advantage of a number of opportunities where it could have had Shepard killed.
Heck, your Reaper-controlled-Legion had Shepard plugged into a Geth network for one mission. Why not just trap the Commander in there and be done with it, if the Reapers are no longer confident in their abilities to kill Shepard? They could even implement a simulation of the real world to delude Shepard into thinking that... WAIT.
Oh my. Joker was right.
This is why I find applying paranoia to the ME3 plot... just... not usefull at all.SwobyJ wrote...
JasonShepard wrote...
AlexMBrennan wrote...
Except that a Reaper-controlled Legion would do the exact same thing (in an attempt to convince us that the code is safe and thus allow him to bring all geth under permanent Reaper control). Don't consider yourself a master spy just yet ;DLegion kind of proved that he had sucessfully "scrubbed" the code and reverse engineered it to make it safe. Legion wasn't controled by the Reapers even ig he used the code, therefor it would likely be safe for the other Geth.
So a Reaper controlled Legion would allow us to blow up the Geth Dreadnaught, allowing the Quarians to win a battle that they would have otherwise lost? Said Reaper controlled Legion would then proceed to help us assault a Reaper base on Rannoch, including providing evac for Shepard when a Reaper Destroyer would have otherwise killed the Commander? In fact, said Reaper controlled Legion's actions directly result in the destruction of the Destroyer, the Reapers losing control of the Geth, and losing the battle for Rannoch.
Your 'Reaper-controlled Legion' allows a situation in which the Geth - a useful asset for the Reapers - can be released from Reaper control, and then potentially wiped out by the Quarians, rather than taking advantage of a number of opportunities where it could have had Shepard killed.
Heck, your Reaper-controlled-Legion had Shepard plugged into a Geth network for one mission. Why not just trap the Commander in there and be done with it, if the Reapers are no longer confident in their abilities to kill Shepard? They could even implement a simulation of the real world to delude Shepard into thinking that... WAIT.
Oh my. Joker was right.
Close. Ish. Sort of. Not really. Similar. In some ways.
The Night Mammoth wrote...
That's true, but I think that Control and Synthesis require a greater suspension of your disbelief to buy during a playthrough, when you're immersed. I won't deny that the whole situation, from the moment the Catalyst appeared on the screen, completely ripped away any suspension I had, so I think people who choose blue or green are able to withstand the revelations in the last few minutes and not let the more fantastical, nonsensical elements prevent them from being open minded.
AlanC9 wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
That's true, but I think that Control and Synthesis require a greater suspension of your disbelief to buy during a playthrough, when you're immersed. I won't deny that the whole situation, from the moment the Catalyst appeared on the screen, completely ripped away any suspension I had, so I think people who choose blue or green are able to withstand the revelations in the last few minutes and not let the more fantastical, nonsensical elements prevent them from being open minded.
I still don't understand how Destroy requires less suspension of disbelief, assuming that's even the right term for a problem with the narrative rather than a problem with the plausibility of the universe. The Catalyst is still there in Destroy, so that can't be the issue,
Modifié par SwobyJ, 29 octobre 2013 - 02:20 .
Destroy is relatively straight forward and simple. It's the obvious conclusion to the Reaper war, with the Reapers being killed by the Crucible. Control and Synthesis are unfamiliar and more complicated, and they require people to actually think about some new ideas. That's why I think they require a more durable suspension of disbelief. It's much easier to accept Destroy because it's expected.AlanC9 wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
That's true, but I think that Control and Synthesis require a greater suspension of your disbelief to buy during a playthrough, when you're immersed. I won't deny that the whole situation, from the moment the Catalyst appeared on the screen, completely ripped away any suspension I had, so I think people who choose blue or green are able to withstand the revelations in the last few minutes and not let the more fantastical, nonsensical elements prevent them from being open minded.
I still don't understand how Destroy requires less suspension of disbelief, assuming that's even the right term for a problem with the narrative rather than a problem with the plausibility of the universe. The Catalyst is still there in Destroy, so that can't be the issue,
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Destroy is relatively straight forward and simple. It's the obvious conclusion to the Reaper war, with the Reapers being killed by the Crucible. Control and Synthesis are unfamiliar and more complicated, and they require people to actually think about some new ideas. That's why I think they require a more durable suspension of disbelief. It's much easier to accept Destroy because it's expected.AlanC9 wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
That's true, but I think that Control and Synthesis require a greater suspension of your disbelief to buy during a playthrough, when you're immersed. I won't deny that the whole situation, from the moment the Catalyst appeared on the screen, completely ripped away any suspension I had, so I think people who choose blue or green are able to withstand the revelations in the last few minutes and not let the more fantastical, nonsensical elements prevent them from being open minded.
I still don't understand how Destroy requires less suspension of disbelief, assuming that's even the right term for a problem with the narrative rather than a problem with the plausibility of the universe. The Catalyst is still there in Destroy, so that can't be the issue,
Modifié par AlanC9, 29 octobre 2013 - 04:55 .
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Not just thinking about anything. Being forced to think about something new and unfamiliar. Some people can do that more easily than others.
Modifié par shodiswe, 29 octobre 2013 - 06:25 .
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